Comments on: No Lotus Involvement in Proton New Engine? http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Mon, 21 May 2012 16:09:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Habib http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-27783 Habib Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:48:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-27783 Why would Lotus have any involvement in Proton engines? hello %#%$!^ Even the lotus elise 2.0 engine is sourced from toyota. Why would Lotus have any involvement in Proton engines? hello %#%$!^

Even the lotus elise 2.0 engine is sourced from toyota.

]]> By: vhtan http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-26210 vhtan Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:29:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-26210 dun say engine lah, they should look into the power windows issue first. the Gen2 and Savvy is still having power window problem. 20 years already also cannot fix.. how can?? dun say engine lah, they should look into the power windows issue first.

the Gen2 and Savvy is still having power window problem. 20 years already also cannot fix.. how can??

]]> By: tariq http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-18200 tariq Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:41:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-18200 this article probably refers to another engine range. i read somewhere tht proton is developing another family of engines which will start from 2.5 lt V6 to nearly 4.0 lt V8. maybe they dont want this engine family anymore this article probably refers to another engine range. i read somewhere tht proton is developing another family of engines which will start from 2.5 lt V6 to nearly 4.0 lt V8. maybe they dont want this engine family anymore

]]> By: Lo http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-16448 Lo Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:39:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-16448 all because of the TDM's sight la . they just want to push the M race up , then uses the M as an excuse for the suppliers and they go on to their masterminded punya company ... summore proton is damn serious into debt ... how ? ask u la ..how ? ok , the workers in proton are mixed . but the suppliers ..nope . all because of the TDM's sight la .

they just want to push the M race up , then uses the M as an excuse for the suppliers and they go on to their masterminded punya company …

summore proton is damn serious into debt … how ?

ask u la ..how ?

ok , the workers in proton are mixed . but the suppliers ..nope .

]]> By: Ashes http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9334 Ashes Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:06:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9334 Well in term of handling, proton did gain sumthing. coz lotus is considered to be among the world best in car handling. Lotus even design the top gear test track to test the handling of a car. In term of handling, proton is getting better after buying lotus. But still interior quality is proton main problems. Like james said in top gear when he was testing gen2 " i prefer a toyota developed interior than lotus developed handling " Well in term of handling, proton did gain sumthing. coz lotus is considered to be among the world best in car handling. Lotus even design the top gear test track to test the handling of a car. In term of handling, proton is getting better after buying lotus. But still interior quality is proton main problems. Like james said in top gear when he was testing gen2 " i prefer a toyota developed interior than lotus developed handling "

]]> By: haidir http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9051 haidir Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:18:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9051 hai.. wonder y proton acquired lotus in the first place if we dont exploit their technology! proton has the technology at its command yet it refuses to use it! I assume that when proton acquired lotus, the quality of proton cars would improve. clearly, its not happening! hai.. wonder y proton acquired lotus in the first place if we dont exploit their technology! proton has the technology at its command yet it refuses to use it! I assume that when proton acquired lotus, the quality of proton cars would improve. clearly, its not happening!

]]> By: DAN http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9011 DAN Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:55:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-9011 buy lotus ?ha.. ha. i toad why proton buy London. lotus Mosley do a performance car for there national trad mark. do u think there really interested in conventional car? my b yes for them to test ground ha... buy lotus ?ha.. ha. i toad why proton buy London.

lotus Mosley do a performance car for there national trad mark.

do u think there really interested in conventional car? my b yes for them to test ground ha…

]]> By: zongtwi http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8945 zongtwi Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8945 xyz said, July 30, 2005 @ 11:29 pm but Lotus isn’t famous for making engine. -------------------------------------------------- Lotus is an engineering consultant, i.e. they never get the credits of designing anything. Example: GM asked Lotus to design an engine for them a few years back, the L850 engine. And also this engine has been made into a number of variants. Currently, this engine and it's variants are being made every 2 seconds worldwide, because it was that good. Every 2 seconds!! but since GM paid for everything, they own the IP. So why should GM let Lotus get any credits for this engineering masterpiece? xyz said,

July 30, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

but Lotus isn’t famous for making engine.

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Lotus is an engineering consultant, i.e. they never get the credits of designing anything.

Example:

GM asked Lotus to design an engine for them a few years back, the L850 engine. And also this engine has been made into a number of variants. Currently, this engine and it's variants are being made every 2 seconds worldwide, because it was that good. Every 2 seconds!! but since GM paid for everything, they own the IP. So why should GM let Lotus get any credits for this engineering masterpiece?

]]> By: sekot http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8916 sekot Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:06:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8916 Oh, Paul. I'm trying to be more sarcarstic here to ask the car manufacturer to built their own tranny. Anyway, keep up the good work. Nice blog mate. Oh, Paul. I'm trying to be more sarcarstic here to ask the car manufacturer to built their own tranny. Anyway, keep up the good work. Nice blog mate.

]]> By: Paul http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8915 Paul Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:31:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8915 sekot: gearboxes require economies of scale much much more larger than engines. even BMW does not manufacture it's own SMG gearbox. sekot: gearboxes require economies of scale much much more larger than engines. even BMW does not manufacture it's own SMG gearbox.

]]> By: neurra http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8887 neurra Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:15:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8887 the weird thing bout proton is why they designed the savvy not to fit their 1.3L campro engine.. swtz. the weird thing bout proton is why they designed the savvy not to fit their 1.3L campro engine.. swtz.

]]> By: MutantTomato http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8881 MutantTomato Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:03:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8881 I don't understand something... If the stupid bastards at Proton never intended to use the expertise and technical know-how of Lotus for GOOD things like developing engines, then why did they buy Lotus in the first place? Just so that they could put a little metal plaque at ther back of some cars saying "tuned by Lotus" ? Grrrrrreat move Proton....viva boleh-land...... :| I don't understand something… If the stupid bastards at Proton never intended to use the expertise and technical know-how of Lotus for GOOD things like developing engines, then why did they buy Lotus in the first place? Just so that they could put a little metal plaque at ther back of some cars saying "tuned by Lotus" ?

Grrrrrreat move Proton….viva boleh-land…… :|

]]> By: sekot http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8907 sekot Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:47:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8907 Dont be a fool la mutant tomato... dont you think it is not a good bussiness move to design a new engine when you can have it off the shelves (from your parent company a.k.a. VW)? and cheaper? and when break even of cost is when 400,000 units of it is built? we are not talking plastic injection parts, or slush moulding parts, or simple resin parts. We are talking casting here. Damn expensive. Why dont they made their own gearbox? why most manufacturer bought their gearbox from ZF? er, Paul, could you ask your 'little bird' is this the NEF engines that Lotus share with (Large) Proton? its top secret and I'll chiow ..... Dont be a fool la mutant tomato… dont you think it is not a good bussiness move to design a new engine when you can have it off the shelves (from your parent company a.k.a. VW)? and cheaper? and when break even of cost is when 400,000 units of it is built? we are not talking plastic injection parts, or slush moulding parts, or simple resin parts. We are talking casting here. Damn expensive. Why dont they made their own gearbox? why most manufacturer bought their gearbox from ZF? er, Paul, could you ask your ‘little bird’ is this the NEF engines that Lotus share with (Large) Proton? its top secret and I’ll chiow …..

]]> By: xyz http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8878 xyz Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:29:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8878 but Lotus isn't famous for making engine. but Lotus isn't famous for making engine.

]]> By: haji http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8872 haji Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:54:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8872 It's not the campro engine. This one is another range of proton's next generation engine. At first, they want to use campro in Savvy but the engine bay design doesn't allow this (size problem) so they use renault's due to their previous renault's 1.8l engine in waja experience. Campro engine can be easily converted to 1.3, 1.6, 1.8 variant. That's why proton opt for campro. Still, the cam profiling is not in yet. It's not the campro engine. This one is another range of proton's next generation engine. At first, they want to use campro in Savvy but the engine bay design doesn't allow this (size problem) so they use renault's due to their previous renault's 1.8l engine in waja experience. Campro engine can be easily converted to 1.3, 1.6, 1.8 variant. That's why proton opt for campro. Still, the cam profiling is not in yet.

]]> By: Chorwin http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8869 Chorwin Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:23:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8869 First of all, thx for ur visiting to my blog. Anyway you are the great guru of blog to me, haha.... I feel that Proton face a lot of problem in the management side especially R&D in new technology. Don't you find that Proton technology is far lack behind and they rarely announce their future roadmap. Roadmap is an important path to strengthen the confident of buyers. Even through they annouce the launch of Savvy and Satria Replacement Model, but it delay the launch date. To achieve the status of world class car maker, proton need to start with the quality and management. So, now proton do start with the quality...... but how about management side...... and do it too late to take action on the quality improvement for their products????? I had my proton gen2 car............. if you ask me what my comments, i do say.... i respect the design and development team for such a good looking and great effort to design such a good car... but....i do not satisfy with the car i got..... because a lot of issue and problem!!! First of all, thx for ur visiting to my blog. Anyway you are the great guru of blog to me, haha….

I feel that Proton face a lot of problem in the management side especially R&D in new technology. Don't you find that Proton technology is far lack behind and they rarely announce their future roadmap. Roadmap is an important path to strengthen the confident of buyers. Even through they annouce the launch of Savvy and Satria Replacement Model, but it delay the launch date.

To achieve the status of world class car maker, proton need to start with the quality and management. So, now proton do start with the quality…… but how about management side…… and do it too late to take action on the quality improvement for their products?????

I had my proton gen2 car…………. if you ask me what my comments, i do say…. i respect the design and development team for such a good looking and great effort to design such a good car… but….i do not satisfy with the car i got….. because a lot of issue and problem!!!

]]> By: Apai Mau http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8866 Apai Mau Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:37:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8866 Or maybe the engineers become TOO intelligent to listen to anyone for more feasible ideas???? Or maybe the engineers become TOO intelligent to listen to anyone for more feasible ideas????

]]> By: Paul http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8860 Paul Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:36:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8860 qlp: The context of the article seems to mean that they lost the bid for a new contract. Not sure lah. qlp: The context of the article seems to mean that they lost the bid for a new contract. Not sure lah.

]]> By: qlp http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8859 qlp Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:32:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8859 Isn't it more likely that the contract to develop the campro engine ended? Isn't it more likely that the contract to develop the campro engine ended?

]]> By: Who Noone http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8857 Who Noone Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:25:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8857 Could Proton have finally realised that engine manufacturing is a big volume business? More Renault engines in Protons? Could Proton have finally realised that engine manufacturing is a big volume business? More Renault engines in Protons?

]]> By: akari http://paultan.org/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8855 akari Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:31:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/30/no-lotus-involvement-in-proton-new-engine/#comment-8855 no one know what proton thinking, no one know what proton doing... we only can watch show what going to happen on them... haha... no one know what proton thinking, no one know what proton doing… we only can watch show what going to happen on them… haha…

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