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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9191</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neurra: the only commercially available quad turbo I know is the Bugatti Veyron. Are there others? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neurra: the only commercially available quad turbo I know is the Bugatti Veyron. Are there others? </p>
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		<title>By: December</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9162</link>
		<dc:creator>December</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neurra</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9158</link>
		<dc:creator>neurra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s not really a new thing.. but a new concept.. some cars nowadays even incorporate a quad turbo system solely to output monstrous power.. haha.. i wonder how long can the car be revved </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#039;s not really a new thing.. but a new concept.. some cars nowadays even incorporate a quad turbo system solely to output monstrous power.. haha.. i wonder how long can the car be revved </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9156</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, great. thanks, mate. Impressive. I wonder when if either will make it into affordable consumption. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, great. thanks, mate. Impressive. I wonder when if either will make it into affordable consumption. </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH, 
 
the second website at hyundai has four alphabets missing. There should be &quot;html&quot; after the word common, ie. &quot;........./powertrain_common.html&quot;. Anyway this VGT is different from Paul&#039;s VGT engine. This VGT means Variable Geometry TurboCharger. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH,</p>
<p>the second website at hyundai has four alphabets missing. There should be &quot;html&quot; after the word common, ie. &quot;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;/powertrain_common.html&quot;. Anyway this VGT is different from Paul&#039;s VGT engine. This VGT means Variable Geometry TurboCharger. </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9074</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CH, 
 
Yes I know they said too expensive to produce. But for a big company like Mercs to come out with such an idea and waste money on this kind of test, it is silly isn&#039;t it? Just like previously there were some Malaysian investing in an Australian Company called CMC Systems producing small engine generators to be installed in the boot so as to produce extra electricity for the car of the future. Their argument was future cars with electric seats, sunroof, etc would need more electricity so they came out with this system. Maintaining the engine in front is already a cost and to maintain a small generator in the boot? Silly idea isn&#039;t it. Like the latest Mercs, just install 2 batteries for the car solves the whole problem. Batteries are cheap and can be changed anytime, anywhere. But a generator has many parts, Just to troubleshoot will kill. We are slowly moving towards less labour intensive scenario in Malaysia. Time is money. We can&#039;t afford to visit the workshop every other month just to replace parts or troubleshoot problems. When C&amp;C or rather Daimler Chrysler gives 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on its cars, it was pointless for me. My car&#039;s aircond compressor were replaced twice, once for water pump, once for alternator, twice for recall on the Sensotronic Brakes, and I can&#039;t remember is it twice or thrice for the jerkings in the transmission. What we need is durability, eventhough the warranty period can be 1 year but the parts can withstand wear and tear at a longer time frame. 
 
Anyway to your question, please check website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.3k-warner.de&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.3k-warner.de&lt;/a&gt; OR at worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/innovation/powertrain_common.html 
 
Hope you r not offended. Just trying to make my point. It seems DC maybe going the wrong direction. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CH,</p>
<p>Yes I know they said too expensive to produce. But for a big company like Mercs to come out with such an idea and waste money on this kind of test, it is silly isn&#039;t it? Just like previously there were some Malaysian investing in an Australian Company called CMC Systems producing small engine generators to be installed in the boot so as to produce extra electricity for the car of the future. Their argument was future cars with electric seats, sunroof, etc would need more electricity so they came out with this system. Maintaining the engine in front is already a cost and to maintain a small generator in the boot? Silly idea isn&#039;t it. Like the latest Mercs, just install 2 batteries for the car solves the whole problem. Batteries are cheap and can be changed anytime, anywhere. But a generator has many parts, Just to troubleshoot will kill. We are slowly moving towards less labour intensive scenario in Malaysia. Time is money. We can&#039;t afford to visit the workshop every other month just to replace parts or troubleshoot problems. When C&amp;C or rather Daimler Chrysler gives 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on its cars, it was pointless for me. My car&#039;s aircond compressor were replaced twice, once for water pump, once for alternator, twice for recall on the Sensotronic Brakes, and I can&#039;t remember is it twice or thrice for the jerkings in the transmission. What we need is durability, eventhough the warranty period can be 1 year but the parts can withstand wear and tear at a longer time frame.</p>
<p>Anyway to your question, please check website <a href="http://www.3k-warner.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.3k-warner.de</a> OR at worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/innovation/powertrain_common.html</p>
<p>Hope you r not offended. Just trying to make my point. It seems DC maybe going the wrong direction. </p>
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		<title>By: hokkien lang.</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9064</link>
		<dc:creator>hokkien lang.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>walao eh..... dooling...... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>walao eh&#8230;.. dooling&#8230;&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9046</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, MB already knows that it is too expensive. So it was more of a PR exercise to impress the normal motoring public - &quot;Look, 3 turbos!&quot;.  
 
(Although I think the Bugatti Veyron has 4 turbos) 
 
Where is a good place to find out more about VGT? 
 
I think electric seems promising too. Toyota is working on an electric supercar. Imagine, each wheel driven by its own motor, with minimal energy loss through heat, or the drivetrain. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, MB already knows that it is too expensive. So it was more of a PR exercise to impress the normal motoring public &#8211; &quot;Look, 3 turbos!&quot;. </p>
<p>(Although I think the Bugatti Veyron has 4 turbos)</p>
<p>Where is a good place to find out more about VGT?</p>
<p>I think electric seems promising too. Toyota is working on an electric supercar. Imagine, each wheel driven by its own motor, with minimal energy loss through heat, or the drivetrain. </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9037</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many mechanicals, Mercs always comes out with unconventional way of doing things. Like the sensotronic brakes, 1.8L engine kompressor etc. They do not contribute to durability like they use to and with too many electronics, the maintenance cost is going to be high. Three turbo charges will be expensive to maintain and trouble shoot if there is a problem, why not just try VGT or improve on it, instead. Borg-Warner VGT can increase hp by at least 30% and improve fuel consumption too. The way to go forward now is to increase power and decrease fuel consumption but without jeopardising comfort and durability. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many mechanicals, Mercs always comes out with unconventional way of doing things. Like the sensotronic brakes, 1.8L engine kompressor etc. They do not contribute to durability like they use to and with too many electronics, the maintenance cost is going to be high. Three turbo charges will be expensive to maintain and trouble shoot if there is a problem, why not just try VGT or improve on it, instead. Borg-Warner VGT can increase hp by at least 30% and improve fuel consumption too. The way to go forward now is to increase power and decrease fuel consumption but without jeopardising comfort and durability. </p>
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		<title>By: bumboy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9029</link>
		<dc:creator>bumboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when will we ever get cheap diesel passenger cars with roadtax comparable to petrol ones?? 
 
still remember this chick of mine who drove a wira 2.0 diesel... hahahaha... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when will we ever get cheap diesel passenger cars with roadtax comparable to petrol ones??</p>
<p>still remember this chick of mine who drove a wira 2.0 diesel&#8230; hahahaha&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9027</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too quick on the draw, scratch the Silvia, since it&#039;s one of your favorites and it&#039;s only a 4 cylinder so twin blower setup is technically complicated. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too quick on the draw, scratch the Silvia, since it&#039;s one of your favorites and it&#039;s only a 4 cylinder so twin blower setup is technically complicated. </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9026</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also how not forgetting the Nissans: the Nissan 300ZX Fairlady, Silvia and Skyline GTR. All available with twin blowers, and all started in the 80&#039;s too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also how not forgetting the Nissans: the Nissan 300ZX Fairlady, Silvia and Skyline GTR. All available with twin blowers, and all started in the 80&#039;s too. </p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9025</link>
		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think this is just another form of sequential turbo charging which we&#226;&#8364;&#8482;ve seen in the Mazda RX7 since years ago. Just that this one has 3 turbos because there are 2 sets of exhaust headers in the V-formation engine so they have 2 of the smaller turbines insead of one.&#039; 
 
Correct me if I&#039;m wrong - So basically, Mercedes can simplify things by using an inline-six instead of a V6.  
 
I&#039;d like to mention, also the Supra TT and the Mitsubishi 3000GT TT (aka GTO! Fun cars, but 3000GT on the heavy side. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I think this is just another form of sequential turbo charging which we&acirc;&euro;&trade;ve seen in the Mazda RX7 since years ago. Just that this one has 3 turbos because there are 2 sets of exhaust headers in the V-formation engine so they have 2 of the smaller turbines insead of one.&#039;</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong &#8211; So basically, Mercedes can simplify things by using an inline-six instead of a V6. </p>
<p>I&#039;d like to mention, also the Supra TT and the Mitsubishi 3000GT TT (aka GTO! Fun cars, but 3000GT on the heavy side. </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9024</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe. corrected. more likely to be a typo. look at the time i blogged it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe. corrected. more likely to be a typo. look at the time i blogged it. </p>
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		<title>By: az</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9023</link>
		<dc:creator>az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The car goes from 0-100km/h in 5.3 seconds. How does this figure stand up to the SLK350 powered by a petrol engine? The SLK350 does it in 5.1 seconds. Only 0.4 seconds difference. Very impressive.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
should be 0.2 seconds difference 
 
paul,you too should learn simple math :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The car goes from 0-100km/h in 5.3 seconds. How does this figure stand up to the SLK350 powered by a petrol engine? The SLK350 does it in 5.1 seconds. Only 0.4 seconds difference. Very impressive.</p></blockquote>
<p>should be 0.2 seconds difference</p>
<p>paul,you too should learn simple math <img src='http://s3.paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9021</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is just another form of sequential turbo charging which we&#039;ve seen in the Mazda RX7 since years ago. Just that this one has 3 turbos because there are 2 sets of exhaust headers in the V-formation engine so they have 2 of the smaller turbines insead of one. One small turbine for each exhaust header. 
 
Mercedes did not release any torque and horsepower curve charts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is just another form of sequential turbo charging which we&#039;ve seen in the Mazda RX7 since years ago. Just that this one has 3 turbos because there are 2 sets of exhaust headers in the V-formation engine so they have 2 of the smaller turbines insead of one. One small turbine for each exhaust header.</p>
<p>Mercedes did not release any torque and horsepower curve charts. </p>
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		<title>By: zongtwi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9019</link>
		<dc:creator>zongtwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you mentioned, the tri-turbo concept is used to reduce turbo lag.  Using a turbocharger, exhaust gasses are extracted to &#039;power up&#039; the turbo pump. That is why the turbo lag exists, because it takes time for enough exhaust gasses to be collected and run the turbocharger. Usually what happens is if you look at the power curve, it gives relatively low hp at low rpms. As the rpm goes higher, the hp steadily increases, until a sudden surge of power at the moment the turbocharger kicks in. But you just gave the max hp output. Any details on how much the turbo lag is reduced? 
 
I can imagine that having a concept of tri-turbos is a brilliant way to reduce turbo lag, especially since turbocharging is the only viable way to make diesel engines produce more respectable power outputs. But having more components means a lower overall engine efficiency, and don&#039;t mention the cost increase. it would be interesting to see how Merc tackles this problem. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you mentioned, the tri-turbo concept is used to reduce turbo lag.  Using a turbocharger, exhaust gasses are extracted to &#039;power up&#039; the turbo pump. That is why the turbo lag exists, because it takes time for enough exhaust gasses to be collected and run the turbocharger. Usually what happens is if you look at the power curve, it gives relatively low hp at low rpms. As the rpm goes higher, the hp steadily increases, until a sudden surge of power at the moment the turbocharger kicks in. But you just gave the max hp output. Any details on how much the turbo lag is reduced?</p>
<p>I can imagine that having a concept of tri-turbos is a brilliant way to reduce turbo lag, especially since turbocharging is the only viable way to make diesel engines produce more respectable power outputs. But having more components means a lower overall engine efficiency, and don&#039;t mention the cost increase. it would be interesting to see how Merc tackles this problem. </p>
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		<title>By: arr</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/02/mercedes-benz-slk320-cdi-tri-turbo/#comment-9017</link>
		<dc:creator>arr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unimpeachable.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unimpeachable&#8230;. </p>
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