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	<title>Comments on: Autocar Proton Savvy Review</title>
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		<title>By: Nicotineman</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-114356</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicotineman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHA :D so much comments on Savy &amp; Mavi :D
Ok I&#039;d drove a 2004 Gen 2 1.6AT for 3yrs,
I&#039;d pushed her to her very best,
Raced her with a Mercs, Civic, Waja @ 185km/hr,
JB-KL in 2hrs, 12am-2am, in heavy rain,
In the end, only Waja &amp; Gen 2 raced on,
While the other 2 balless rich cowards retired our little street race!
I even raced with a Singapore White Fairlady for 20mins in JB,
Damn bloody hard to outrace that proudass,
But I&#039;d got nothing to lose,
And I finally shaked her off after 20mins of blood boiling street race!
At times, it&#039;s not abt ur ride, but ur stubborn spirit to fight on,
That really matters!
Me &amp; my beloved Gen 2 shared so much of life &amp; death together,
But due to current financial problems,
I&#039;ll be replacing her with a Savy 1.2AT HL ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHA <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  so much comments on Savy &amp; Mavi <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ok I&#8217;d drove a 2004 Gen 2 1.6AT for 3yrs,<br />
I&#8217;d pushed her to her very best,<br />
Raced her with a Mercs, Civic, Waja @ 185km/hr,<br />
JB-KL in 2hrs, 12am-2am, in heavy rain,<br />
In the end, only Waja &amp; Gen 2 raced on,<br />
While the other 2 balless rich cowards retired our little street race!<br />
I even raced with a Singapore White Fairlady for 20mins in JB,<br />
Damn bloody hard to outrace that proudass,<br />
But I&#8217;d got nothing to lose,<br />
And I finally shaked her off after 20mins of blood boiling street race!<br />
At times, it&#8217;s not abt ur ride, but ur stubborn spirit to fight on,<br />
That really matters!<br />
Me &amp; my beloved Gen 2 shared so much of life &amp; death together,<br />
But due to current financial problems,<br />
I&#8217;ll be replacing her with a Savy 1.2AT HL ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: aerials</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-45807</link>
		<dc:creator>aerials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 05:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i suka hollycow punya comment, kalau nak judge keta yg bagus dr jumlah jualan mmg x patut... macam mawi aa ramai yang minat ramai jugak yang nyampah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suka hollycow punya comment, kalau nak judge keta yg bagus dr jumlah jualan mmg x patut&#8230; macam mawi aa ramai yang minat ramai jugak yang nyampah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: commentguy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-30249</link>
		<dc:creator>commentguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey-just wondering about the Waja ad someone mentioned here... Is is true-they said Asia&#039;s asnwer to BMW? Unbelievable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey-just wondering about the Waja ad someone mentioned here&#8230; Is is true-they said Asia&#8217;s asnwer to BMW? Unbelievable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: popkorn63</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-21986</link>
		<dc:creator>popkorn63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for me.....savvy and mivy are same at all..different title..just on mentality of malaysian make it so differents and gaps thats each others..common..all malaysian products is much good that outsiders...promalaysian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me&#8230;..savvy and mivy are same at all..different title..just on mentality of malaysian make it so differents and gaps thats each others..common..all malaysian products is much good that outsiders&#8230;promalaysian.</p>
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		<title>By: Nerd</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-12202</link>
		<dc:creator>Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 06:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err...actually that review done by our (malaysian) guy, on Malaysian soil. Go buy Autocar (Asean edition) Sept.05 and you got that same review. cheerssss...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err&#8230;actually that review done by our (malaysian) guy, on Malaysian soil. Go buy Autocar (Asean edition) Sept.05 and you got that same review. cheerssss&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Jenin</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-12016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat Jenin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Guys;

Here&#039;s my own experience with Savvy:
http://www.vespa.com.my/savvy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Guys;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my own experience with Savvy:<br />
<a href="http://www.vespa.com.my/savvy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vespa.com.my/savvy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: neurra</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-11264</link>
		<dc:creator>neurra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all in all.. i just think that those supporting myvi are biased.. they just hate proton in the first place..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all in all.. i just think that those supporting myvi are biased.. they just hate proton in the first place..</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-11049</link>
		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stingray said,
August 23, 2005 @ 8:04 pm .

old o not old designs is proton also no R&amp;D at all , that come from our own R&amp;D people Malaysian people what i means. but still other buy proton o not is not a concern a concern is proton more than 20 years there should know how to do for Malaysia&#039;s . our money n hope not for Blaine people to test ground anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stingray said,<br />
August 23, 2005 @ 8:04 pm .</p>
<p>old o not old designs is proton also no R&amp;D at all , that come from our own R&amp;D people Malaysian people what i means. but still other buy proton o not is not a concern a concern is proton more than 20 years there should know how to do for Malaysia&#8217;s . our money n hope not for Blaine people to test ground anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10930</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;savvy?&#039;, can you guarantee the cars price lower without proton (so no protection to proton); do you think GOV people low IQ? Sure GOV will still tax the cars, proton or not!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;savvy?&#8217;, can you guarantee the cars price lower without proton (so no protection to proton); do you think GOV people low IQ? Sure GOV will still tax the cars, proton or not!</p>
<p> <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Savvy?</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10899</link>
		<dc:creator>Savvy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way for Proton to really compete is a quantum leap in quality or sell really cheap. We are seeing neither. I am a consumer, I pay taxes and I pay for my car. I really don&#039;t care if the money is circulating in Malaysia going into some people&#039;s fat pocket, while you&#039;ll be paying 5 years plus interests for a sub-standard that you can deceive yourself about being patriotic or deceive yourself about &quot;not bad quality&quot;.

We are made to pay too much for cars (local or otherwise) because Proton needs protection. And guess what, it&#039;s precisely this- many people deceive themselves saying it&#039;s patriotic or Proton not bad quality, that Proton will never be able to compete, and we&#039;ll have to keep paying SO MUCH for cars.

Patriotism has nothing to do with this.  You&#039;re the consumer, it&#039;s your money (fr yr pocket), you decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way for Proton to really compete is a quantum leap in quality or sell really cheap. We are seeing neither. I am a consumer, I pay taxes and I pay for my car. I really don&#8217;t care if the money is circulating in Malaysia going into some people&#8217;s fat pocket, while you&#8217;ll be paying 5 years plus interests for a sub-standard that you can deceive yourself about being patriotic or deceive yourself about &#8220;not bad quality&#8221;.</p>
<p>We are made to pay too much for cars (local or otherwise) because Proton needs protection. And guess what, it&#8217;s precisely this- many people deceive themselves saying it&#8217;s patriotic or Proton not bad quality, that Proton will never be able to compete, and we&#8217;ll have to keep paying SO MUCH for cars.</p>
<p>Patriotism has nothing to do with this.  You&#8217;re the consumer, it&#8217;s your money (fr yr pocket), you decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Stingray</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10797</link>
		<dc:creator>Stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>savvyandmyvi: *LOL* ... best punya komen kat sini so far .. kekekekeke

Savvy? : Your comments, a bit short-sighted, you know? SURE local cars would all close down if no protection.. do you know how long Koreans / Japanese protected their markets until they can stand independently? Much longer! ... but the attitude here is different. Malaysians dont sem to understand that buying a fully local built car means reinvesting that money in the Malaysian economy and in the final score, protecting their own job... Just think, if it seems like tens of thousands is too much of your own money to &quot;sacrifice&quot; for a local car industry- but you rather give it to foreigners and bleed your own country economy to swell their fat pockets????

That is why I will always prefer to buy a local car.

Especially, since it&#039;s actually one of the most reliable with and affordable maintenance. Why do you think it has good resale value compared to exotic import? This is a practical concern.

Come on la. Proton has not really THAT bad quality. Sure the designs look a bit old previously. Still it IS one of the most reliable cars you can get. Audi, BM, Jaguar, Merc... all these are cars for ppl that can afford to send to workshop every few months bcos they have multiple cars plus drivesr to send them everywhere. 

Anyway, ppl now very &quot;aksyen&quot; and very &quot;want face&quot;. Rather take longer loan to buy foreign car.

LAaa... with this kind of Malaysian public, u Cannot win. If make new car with new design, people scared to buy. Too new. Prefer to buy old proven car with cheap price. But still complain, Proton still selling same lousy old cars....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>savvyandmyvi: *LOL* &#8230; best punya komen kat sini so far .. kekekekeke</p>
<p>Savvy? : Your comments, a bit short-sighted, you know? SURE local cars would all close down if no protection.. do you know how long Koreans / Japanese protected their markets until they can stand independently? Much longer! &#8230; but the attitude here is different. Malaysians dont sem to understand that buying a fully local built car means reinvesting that money in the Malaysian economy and in the final score, protecting their own job&#8230; Just think, if it seems like tens of thousands is too much of your own money to &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; for a local car industry- but you rather give it to foreigners and bleed your own country economy to swell their fat pockets????</p>
<p>That is why I will always prefer to buy a local car.</p>
<p>Especially, since it&#8217;s actually one of the most reliable with and affordable maintenance. Why do you think it has good resale value compared to exotic import? This is a practical concern.</p>
<p>Come on la. Proton has not really THAT bad quality. Sure the designs look a bit old previously. Still it IS one of the most reliable cars you can get. Audi, BM, Jaguar, Merc&#8230; all these are cars for ppl that can afford to send to workshop every few months bcos they have multiple cars plus drivesr to send them everywhere. </p>
<p>Anyway, ppl now very &#8220;aksyen&#8221; and very &#8220;want face&#8221;. Rather take longer loan to buy foreign car.</p>
<p>LAaa&#8230; with this kind of Malaysian public, u Cannot win. If make new car with new design, people scared to buy. Too new. Prefer to buy old proven car with cheap price. But still complain, Proton still selling same lousy old cars&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Damn it</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10786</link>
		<dc:creator>Damn it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 21 year old, but prefer Savvy. Myvi, hate it. Too spacious headrooom for what eh. Savvy, compact like a race car.really. Handlng wise, no issue, good while taking cornering. I think instead putting Waja Asia&#039;s answer for BMW,Proton better put Savvy, Asia and Australasia&#039;s answer for Lotus and BMW.hehe. Love to ride my blake savvy tonite.=). 


To be frank, this truly a good car. one thing spoil of this car, the side mirror is kind a manuall adjust. Put the auto one lahhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 21 year old, but prefer Savvy. Myvi, hate it. Too spacious headrooom for what eh. Savvy, compact like a race car.really. Handlng wise, no issue, good while taking cornering. I think instead putting Waja Asia&#8217;s answer for BMW,Proton better put Savvy, Asia and Australasia&#8217;s answer for Lotus and BMW.hehe. Love to ride my blake savvy tonite.=). </p>
<p>To be frank, this truly a good car. one thing spoil of this car, the side mirror is kind a manuall adjust. Put the auto one lahhh!</p>
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		<title>By: napps</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10725</link>
		<dc:creator>napps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from what i can gather from the posts, buying proton is like playing russian roulette....if u get a good one, (which i reckon is about 75-80% of the time) it will serve u real good.....if u are unlucky to be the 20-25%, it will screw u up like nothing else.....hehehhehee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from what i can gather from the posts, buying proton is like playing russian roulette&#8230;.if u get a good one, (which i reckon is about 75-80% of the time) it will serve u real good&#8230;..if u are unlucky to be the 20-25%, it will screw u up like nothing else&#8230;..hehehhehee</p>
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		<title>By: Zool</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10720</link>
		<dc:creator>Zool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a WIRA auto. It has not given me any trouble for the past fours years.  My wife has a kelissa.... a good economical car, round around in town.  My wife now dirves my Wira cos her legs hurts thus I am using the Kelisa for my almost daily 60 km trip to work.  Although kelisa is economical it sometimes give me a backache and struggles going uphill.  I may change the kelisa with a SAVVY (auto) for my wife and the Wira auto with a Wira manual.  Like the ride and handling of the SAVVY after two test drives.  Won&#039;t get a MYVI cos it too expensive, booth too small for balik kampong and the horn just like kelisa (pip sound). cheers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a WIRA auto. It has not given me any trouble for the past fours years.  My wife has a kelissa&#8230;. a good economical car, round around in town.  My wife now dirves my Wira cos her legs hurts thus I am using the Kelisa for my almost daily 60 km trip to work.  Although kelisa is economical it sometimes give me a backache and struggles going uphill.  I may change the kelisa with a SAVVY (auto) for my wife and the Wira auto with a Wira manual.  Like the ride and handling of the SAVVY after two test drives.  Won&#8217;t get a MYVI cos it too expensive, booth too small for balik kampong and the horn just like kelisa (pip sound). cheers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10697</link>
		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ tony any way la. but u still understand wa.

in any way of correcter have there own shot form to present. tony i to lazy o u to lazy to understands n 1 to understand it. 
we r talking about savvy &amp; myvi not about me. any way who-care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ tony any way la. but u still understand wa.</p>
<p>in any way of correcter have there own shot form to present. tony i to lazy o u to lazy to understands n 1 to understand it.<br />
we r talking about savvy &amp; myvi not about me. any way who-care.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10692</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAN,

There is a reason why computer keyboard has so many keys you know. I may understand if these were SMS conversation but for god sake you are way too lazy.

You are making it hard for people to understand your argument.

Or are you the type of people we call &#039;patuk ayam&#039;? Typing on a keyboard with two fingers? Do you pause 5 seconds per alphabet looking for the correct key to press? hahaha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAN,</p>
<p>There is a reason why computer keyboard has so many keys you know. I may understand if these were SMS conversation but for god sake you are way too lazy.</p>
<p>You are making it hard for people to understand your argument.</p>
<p>Or are you the type of people we call &#8216;patuk ayam&#8217;? Typing on a keyboard with two fingers? Do you pause 5 seconds per alphabet looking for the correct key to press? hahaha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10682</link>
		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holy_cow said,

holy, do u own o buy 1 of this car?.
 so how is a bad n good car in term of sale o resale n there technology&#039;s have to b, if there r good n not really good car that no different on it?.
 Do there dont have any affect in the future on any way , if we buy a good car n a bad car in a time been s we can see in our market now ? . o car just a car to drive on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holy_cow said,</p>
<p>holy, do u own o buy 1 of this car?.<br />
 so how is a bad n good car in term of sale o resale n there technology&#8217;s have to b, if there r good n not really good car that no different on it?.<br />
 Do there dont have any affect in the future on any way , if we buy a good car n a bad car in a time been s we can see in our market now ? . o car just a car to drive on.</p>
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		<title>By: automan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10628</link>
		<dc:creator>automan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough said... Bottomline, which one is going to be more reliable (less headache!) and lower operating cost? Having experience with both engine makes, my money is on the Jap. Get a mechanic opinion, just to be doubly sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough said&#8230; Bottomline, which one is going to be more reliable (less headache!) and lower operating cost? Having experience with both engine makes, my money is on the Jap. Get a mechanic opinion, just to be doubly sure.</p>
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		<title>By: napps</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10615</link>
		<dc:creator>napps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just took delivery of my savvy on saturday. had loads of fun driving it around shah alam + subang jaya on sunday. engine very punchy, interior roomier than expected. signal indicator too far from steering? what nonsense! it&#039;s just that it&#039;s on the left side a la continental cars, u need to drive it for a while to get used to it, otherwise it&#039;s just fine. my only complaint is just that there is some slight rattling noise from the front passenger&#039;s door, need to check on that later. otherwise, everything is good!

btw, have u noticed that the myvi&#039;s rear looks like rafidah&#039;s ass and the front looks like a frog&#039;s face? and u waited for how long now? 8 months? enuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just took delivery of my savvy on saturday. had loads of fun driving it around shah alam + subang jaya on sunday. engine very punchy, interior roomier than expected. signal indicator too far from steering? what nonsense! it&#8217;s just that it&#8217;s on the left side a la continental cars, u need to drive it for a while to get used to it, otherwise it&#8217;s just fine. my only complaint is just that there is some slight rattling noise from the front passenger&#8217;s door, need to check on that later. otherwise, everything is good!</p>
<p>btw, have u noticed that the myvi&#8217;s rear looks like rafidah&#8217;s ass and the front looks like a frog&#8217;s face? and u waited for how long now? 8 months? enuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: savyandmyvi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10603</link>
		<dc:creator>savyandmyvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pegi mampus la korang peminat Myvi or savvy.. 

tak habis2 nak bergaduh kat sini.. 
fanatik2 belaka.. 

padahal nak beli kereta pun lesen tak ada.. 
duit lagi lah.. 

blah laa..!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pegi mampus la korang peminat Myvi or savvy.. </p>
<p>tak habis2 nak bergaduh kat sini..<br />
fanatik2 belaka.. </p>
<p>padahal nak beli kereta pun lesen tak ada..<br />
duit lagi lah.. </p>
<p>blah laa..!</p>
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		<title>By: holy_cow</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10602</link>
		<dc:creator>holy_cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAN,

I don&#039;t really understand your comment, except for the part where you state that the sales gap between the Savvy and Myvi proves that the Savvy is not able. I think the sales gap is there because Proton have a nasty reputation (which they deserve), because Malaysians love Japanese products and because the Myvi had much better publicity and a better model range at launch, including the essential torque converter auto, as favoured by most Malaysian drivers, for whom driving is a chore. 

The sales gap itself does NOT necessarily indicate that the Savvy isn&#039;t an able car. It&#039;s just not logical, because a good car doesn&#039;t necessarily sell well, just as a bad car doesn&#039;t necessarily sell badly. 

Another example: the Volkswagen Phaeton is widely praised by car journos, so was the Fiat Multipla, but neither sold well, all due to issues peripheral to the actual quality of the car, such as styling and brand perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAN,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really understand your comment, except for the part where you state that the sales gap between the Savvy and Myvi proves that the Savvy is not able. I think the sales gap is there because Proton have a nasty reputation (which they deserve), because Malaysians love Japanese products and because the Myvi had much better publicity and a better model range at launch, including the essential torque converter auto, as favoured by most Malaysian drivers, for whom driving is a chore. </p>
<p>The sales gap itself does NOT necessarily indicate that the Savvy isn&#8217;t an able car. It&#8217;s just not logical, because a good car doesn&#8217;t necessarily sell well, just as a bad car doesn&#8217;t necessarily sell badly. </p>
<p>Another example: the Volkswagen Phaeton is widely praised by car journos, so was the Fiat Multipla, but neither sold well, all due to issues peripheral to the actual quality of the car, such as styling and brand perception.</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10593</link>
		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holy_cow said,
August 21, 2005 @ 12:10 pm .


u r talking like u no batter how market wise to savy next time.
 like this to say, savvy not a type to compete whit myvi my b to kelisa n kenari is yes!. by now s we can see is much different sale gap be-twin savvy n myvi, is prove that savvy is not able. 
 pro2 n proton savvy there have their own market to sale, if u have this much budget then u go for which 1 budget car to buy. see how u spending your money to varies point value to judge now n future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holy_cow said,<br />
August 21, 2005 @ 12:10 pm .</p>
<p>u r talking like u no batter how market wise to savy next time.<br />
 like this to say, savvy not a type to compete whit myvi my b to kelisa n kenari is yes!. by now s we can see is much different sale gap be-twin savvy n myvi, is prove that savvy is not able.<br />
 pro2 n proton savvy there have their own market to sale, if u have this much budget then u go for which 1 budget car to buy. see how u spending your money to varies point value to judge now n future</p>
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		<title>By: frossonice</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10577</link>
		<dc:creator>frossonice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw blue savvy with white sport rims and yes, with semi auto gear (steptronic?) at Proton Edar Puchong (in front Jusco) last Friday. Way cool for a car you guys critised so much. Yea, the plus minus gear change is there and the gear knob is round and shiny. Price? Dunno. Savvy is a small compact, like Picanto, Clio or Panda. If you want big compact like Golf or Focus, wait for SRM. Duh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw blue savvy with white sport rims and yes, with semi auto gear (steptronic?) at Proton Edar Puchong (in front Jusco) last Friday. Way cool for a car you guys critised so much. Yea, the plus minus gear change is there and the gear knob is round and shiny. Price? Dunno. Savvy is a small compact, like Picanto, Clio or Panda. If you want big compact like Golf or Focus, wait for SRM. Duh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: holy_cow</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10571</link>
		<dc:creator>holy_cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I love the Savvy or hate the Myvi or vice-versa, they&#039;re both just cars to me, but I know one thing I do hate - a faulty argument.

Myvi orders have surpassed Savvy orders? So the Myvi is better? But this operates on the premise that something which sells well must be better and, to steal an analogy from the music industry, Justin Timberlake sells a hell of a lot more than Radiohead.

Cars.my magazine had a perspective on it which I thought was quite well-judged - most people want no-brainer cars, and that&#039;s what the Myvi is. It&#039;s a brilliant no-brainer car, too. It&#039;s effortless to drive, the steering is very polite, it&#039;s very cushy, materials are good, ride is spongey and basically it requires hardly any exertion to point the thing somewhere and toddle along at 40kmph through corners. The Savvy aims to be a bit more fun to drive and, like it or not, it succeeds. So it&#039;s actually fairly easy to make a choice between the two cars, really - if you value driving fun over affordable Japanese reliability and quality, then you know where you&#039;ll be tempted to spend your money.

People are so emotionally invested in this issue that they go so far as to say that people who say good things about the Savvy will be judged by God and so on - I mean jeez, get some perspective and look at things objectively for once. I hate what Proton has done to the Malaysian motor industry, I hate the fact that 5% of it is owned by Temasek Holdings and I hate the fact that they&#039;ve never made proper use of the Lotus connection, but I do not take all those facts as reason to say the Savvy must be an abominable car, because there is no necessary logical connection. Yes, Proton has harmed a lot of people but that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean the Savvy must be a bad car. Lack of logic is what has kept half-arsed projects like Proton protected for so long, so it&#039;e best not to exercise similar lack of logic in attempting to criticise them.

Last but not least, that Top Gear snippet was not a &#039;review&#039;, for heaven&#039;s sake. And I doubt Denis Wong, writing for Autocar UK, is going to be thinking about helping Proton along - he&#039;s probably more interested in impressing the UK folk with his impartiality, perhaps with the hope of getting a transfer there someday?

To the person who posted as &#039;Savvy?&#039; I can only say - yes, the Savvy is a good car. Does this make Proton a good company? No. Does this make anyone who rejects the car on moral principles stupid? No. It&#039;s time to think clear-headedly about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I love the Savvy or hate the Myvi or vice-versa, they&#8217;re both just cars to me, but I know one thing I do hate &#8211; a faulty argument.</p>
<p>Myvi orders have surpassed Savvy orders? So the Myvi is better? But this operates on the premise that something which sells well must be better and, to steal an analogy from the music industry, Justin Timberlake sells a hell of a lot more than Radiohead.</p>
<p>Cars.my magazine had a perspective on it which I thought was quite well-judged &#8211; most people want no-brainer cars, and that&#8217;s what the Myvi is. It&#8217;s a brilliant no-brainer car, too. It&#8217;s effortless to drive, the steering is very polite, it&#8217;s very cushy, materials are good, ride is spongey and basically it requires hardly any exertion to point the thing somewhere and toddle along at 40kmph through corners. The Savvy aims to be a bit more fun to drive and, like it or not, it succeeds. So it&#8217;s actually fairly easy to make a choice between the two cars, really &#8211; if you value driving fun over affordable Japanese reliability and quality, then you know where you&#8217;ll be tempted to spend your money.</p>
<p>People are so emotionally invested in this issue that they go so far as to say that people who say good things about the Savvy will be judged by God and so on &#8211; I mean jeez, get some perspective and look at things objectively for once. I hate what Proton has done to the Malaysian motor industry, I hate the fact that 5% of it is owned by Temasek Holdings and I hate the fact that they&#8217;ve never made proper use of the Lotus connection, but I do not take all those facts as reason to say the Savvy must be an abominable car, because there is no necessary logical connection. Yes, Proton has harmed a lot of people but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean the Savvy must be a bad car. Lack of logic is what has kept half-arsed projects like Proton protected for so long, so it&#8217;e best not to exercise similar lack of logic in attempting to criticise them.</p>
<p>Last but not least, that Top Gear snippet was not a &#8216;review&#8217;, for heaven&#8217;s sake. And I doubt Denis Wong, writing for Autocar UK, is going to be thinking about helping Proton along &#8211; he&#8217;s probably more interested in impressing the UK folk with his impartiality, perhaps with the hope of getting a transfer there someday?</p>
<p>To the person who posted as &#8216;Savvy?&#8217; I can only say &#8211; yes, the Savvy is a good car. Does this make Proton a good company? No. Does this make anyone who rejects the car on moral principles stupid? No. It&#8217;s time to think clear-headedly about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10569</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody mentioned about how small Savvy is, have they actually test the car? I mean did they even bother to test drive it? Handling aside, Savvy&#039;s space is quite spacious and much better than Kelisa.

It may look small from the outside, but try sitting inside and take a test drive. I have tested both (Savvy &amp; Myvi), both is good car but design wise, I prefer Savvy. Myvi&#039;s look is just to plain to my liking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody mentioned about how small Savvy is, have they actually test the car? I mean did they even bother to test drive it? Handling aside, Savvy&#8217;s space is quite spacious and much better than Kelisa.</p>
<p>It may look small from the outside, but try sitting inside and take a test drive. I have tested both (Savvy &amp; Myvi), both is good car but design wise, I prefer Savvy. Myvi&#8217;s look is just to plain to my liking.</p>
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		<title>By: hfrshah</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10568</link>
		<dc:creator>hfrshah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats not an entirely fair judgement.. you said it yourself, everyone has their own opinion.surely theres a lot of people that would prefer the Savvy over the Myvi. 

it all depends on one&#039;s personal taste. styling and space-wise yeah, the Myvi has the Savvy licked.. but what about ride and handling? quality(maybe)? and who compare prices of cars dollar to dollar? oh, and the standard 911 costs 57k in the UK mind you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats not an entirely fair judgement.. you said it yourself, everyone has their own opinion.surely theres a lot of people that would prefer the Savvy over the Myvi. </p>
<p>it all depends on one&#8217;s personal taste. styling and space-wise yeah, the Myvi has the Savvy licked.. but what about ride and handling? quality(maybe)? and who compare prices of cars dollar to dollar? oh, and the standard 911 costs 57k in the UK mind you</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10547</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MYVI looks like WIra with booth cut off...... I prefer SAVVY, good ride and handling European feel while MYVI Japanese feel.... its up to u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MYVI looks like WIra with booth cut off&#8230;&#8230; I prefer SAVVY, good ride and handling European feel while MYVI Japanese feel&#8230;. its up to u.</p>
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		<title>By: akari</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10545</link>
		<dc:creator>akari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here have some ppl test out savvy in sepang, they fail to reach 170km/h but there&#039;s 3ppl in car i guess. People ask him how about fight with kelisa, he still prefer kelisa, also admit savvy have good handing, maybe because of using 175/50 R15.

if u can read chinese,
http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=353616&amp;extra=page%3D2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here have some ppl test out savvy in sepang, they fail to reach 170km/h but there&#8217;s 3ppl in car i guess. People ask him how about fight with kelisa, he still prefer kelisa, also admit savvy have good handing, maybe because of using 175/50 R15.</p>
<p>if u can read chinese,<br />
<a href="http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=353616&amp;extra=page%3D2" rel="nofollow">http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthread.php?tid=353616&amp;extra=page%3D2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Savvy?</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10544</link>
		<dc:creator>Savvy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really shouldn&#039;t be doing this.  Everyone&#039;s entitled to their own opinion.  Some (altho few) can find good things to say about Savvi, despite the thrash that Savvi is.  There&#039;s even people who so cleverly segmentized car markets by age, Craving for cramped, small space car, anything, to say something good about Savvi.

I pity these people.  And the one who reviewed Savvi and say good car, I don&#039;t think he had a choice(he&#039;s job at stake probably), lest he&#039;s lying and GOD will punish him for publishing lies.

In a real world semi-free market economy, Proton will sure close.  Proton will not be able to compete at all.  Imagine, dollar to dollar, Savvi retails at 7k in UK, how much are you paying, 42k?.  Dollar to dollar, at 42k in UK, you can probably get a Lexus, or a normal aspirated Porsche 911.

Sadly, Malaysians end up paying the price.  And I don&#039;t mean the prIce of the car, I mean THE COST of retaining Proton.  When you are forced to buy a Proton because they make all other cars prohibitively out of $$ range, knowing you&#039;re buying thrash but still have to pay big$$$$$ for it.  Knowing our contribution to EPF will be used to bail them out while they declare a RM700mil profit.... Sigh, Sad that some of you can justify that Savvi is a good car.

I will NEVER, EVER buy that reject French thrash.  It matters not that Myvvi was launched first, real people know thrash when they see thrash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really shouldn&#8217;t be doing this.  Everyone&#8217;s entitled to their own opinion.  Some (altho few) can find good things to say about Savvi, despite the thrash that Savvi is.  There&#8217;s even people who so cleverly segmentized car markets by age, Craving for cramped, small space car, anything, to say something good about Savvi.</p>
<p>I pity these people.  And the one who reviewed Savvi and say good car, I don&#8217;t think he had a choice(he&#8217;s job at stake probably), lest he&#8217;s lying and GOD will punish him for publishing lies.</p>
<p>In a real world semi-free market economy, Proton will sure close.  Proton will not be able to compete at all.  Imagine, dollar to dollar, Savvi retails at 7k in UK, how much are you paying, 42k?.  Dollar to dollar, at 42k in UK, you can probably get a Lexus, or a normal aspirated Porsche 911.</p>
<p>Sadly, Malaysians end up paying the price.  And I don&#8217;t mean the prIce of the car, I mean THE COST of retaining Proton.  When you are forced to buy a Proton because they make all other cars prohibitively out of $$ range, knowing you&#8217;re buying thrash but still have to pay big$$$$$ for it.  Knowing our contribution to EPF will be used to bail them out while they declare a RM700mil profit&#8230;. Sigh, Sad that some of you can justify that Savvi is a good car.</p>
<p>I will NEVER, EVER buy that reject French thrash.  It matters not that Myvvi was launched first, real people know thrash when they see thrash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mellissa</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2005/08/19/autocar-proton-savvy-review/#comment-10543</link>
		<dc:creator>Mellissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m even younger (17) and i still prefer the myvi, lol. i don&#039;t know why but i see the savvy as a more &quot;guy&quot; car. i can&#039;t stand how it&#039;s so small. i&#039;m claustrophobic, i think :P plus i&#039;m 5 feet 8 too and i find it too cramped. i need my space, lol. but i have to admit, it seems like a decent car though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m even younger (17) and i still prefer the myvi, lol. i don&#8217;t know why but i see the savvy as a more &#8220;guy&#8221; car. i can&#8217;t stand how it&#8217;s so small. i&#8217;m claustrophobic, i think <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  plus i&#8217;m 5 feet 8 too and i find it too cramped. i need my space, lol. but i have to admit, it seems like a decent car though.</p>
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