what i think is all the small problems that occured is not entirely proton's problem. as we know proton is mainly just as an assembler… all the bits and pieces are now made locally.. the main problem is not proton but its subcontactor or vendor who make all the CKD parts for proton.. what i can see now is that proton is trying to upgrade all their subcontractor or vendor quality by requiring certain certification ie TSXXXX and ISOXXX.. failed comply means end of business..

Then in this case we as malaysian is the problem.. people who makes proton parts are the culprit.. why can't we make something that is long lasting??One other thing,why can't malaysia have it own guideline for car makers like the EURO STD,and make it mandatory,any cars do not comply to this std cannot sale their cars and no exception for local cars makers…

For our country sake please WAKE UP PROTON!!!..AND ITS SUBCON!!!

if i'm not mistaken i read the past top gear and they held a test (how embarrasing)between ford KA and WAJA,They ranked WAJA 2 stars but eventually,the ford KA scored 4 stars.i't sounds unfair comparing two cars fom totally diffrent class but the small ford KA wins the face off.They also said that WAJA is the moving KERANDA on the road because of lack sfety…..i'm overwhelmed by the test because i like WAJA a lot.Especially the PSP team.

takat beli proton 2nd hand lagi mau demand lebih2..

beli la kereta lain kalau kaya.. watper beli proton..

bodoh punya mr.ciplak..

i work for proton,i have a Gen 2 superb car if you ask me its got ‘Lotus’ developed ride and handling, its a unique family car that gives me reliability, style, comfort and excellent value for money. it has powerful 1.6 litre CAMPRO engine in collaboration with ‘Lotus’, , tough safety features, a great and may i say free! leather interior! air conditioning and a whole lot more, to me it has a lot to offer, both inside and out.!!!!!! you should give proton a break!!

potong saga (bought as 2nd hand) 1991 auto

-both side power window poblem

-vibration ploblem

-suspension poblem

-driver side brake lights falling off

-and to my horror: total auto transmission replacement

…..and many many more

potong wira aeroback 1.6 1996

-when delivered: rear hatch glass totally misaligned off center, send back to factory…how they "lulus" the car was beyond me

-very noisy engine

-after few years, teribble rust in roof (potong salesman sez: oh, no wonderlah, tahun 96 punya!!)

…many more poblems

potong wira 1.5 1994

-power windows poblem (whats new?)

-very harsh and vibrate

-rear bumper falling off..what do they use to stick the bumper, cellophone tapes from 7-eleven?

-air con vents malfunction

potong sukks…korean cars not that good ALSOOOOOOO

I miss the Silver proton saga (auto)

Only poor people like many of us here pay our hard earned money to buy junk, altho' some bought them because they trully believe in its quality and being patriotic. I bought a Proton because I can't afford another car, not because of patriotic reasons, not because I feel glad that I'm making a small group of people rich and some other people get jobs at Proton. I bought a Proton because money wise it's inconcievable to buy any other brand of cars. Definitely DID NOT BUY Proton because of the "quality" la….

So if I'm you, if can afford it, geez, buy a Korean or Jap la. Give Proton another 20 years, with all the "patriotic" people here (together with some recalcitrant people who buy but hate proton because they can't afford anything else)…. let us help Proton along for the next 20 years la, maybe Proton may come out with better quality cars, odds are against that admittedly with the 20 years of current history and track record. But who knows with so many people giving their hard earned money to buy a Proton, perhaps Proton can indeed one day produce a good car.

I am currently deciding between a Gen2/Waja/Avanza/Getz… think I need to seriously re-think once more :p Any opinions?

The problem is not the car, but the owner. When its time to service, they dont want to send for service. Then if the car brokedown they blame proton.

Sometimes i saw mercedes got brokedown on the highway, is it because mercedes produce bad quality car?

Most ppl just like to blame other because of their own stupidity. Even if they made mistake they will blame their parent.

So stupid.

Now, Proton has gave us a new 100% local product, Gen.2. Maybe now, Perodua still rebranding Daihatsu's car. When the time comes, they will come out with their own 100% local Perodua. It's interesting to see how much our appreciation and perception for them has changed.

Paul, my brother sold his Satria 1.6 (1995). It's 10 years old and it's givin him headaches (and 'pocket'aches). I'm happy with my 1 year old Kelisa as the petrol price keep rising. But I do hope someday (soon) Proton will come out with a high quality model and worth every penny spent.

People will keep on buying imports even if Proton and Perodua are world class automaker with world class quality and so on, simply because; 1) they can afford it. 2) it's their dream car. People have the right to choose.

Proton need an overhaul. A rebirth. Cause Im just like some of you, a passionate driver, a passionate Malaysian.

my advice to you : migrate lah kawan…

Balik china kah? maybe u can help build them build a great dream car, perfect car. one that no one can find fault with. lanchau…

3 sigma or 6 sigma? Did you know it? or remember????

6 Sigma means there are 3.4 parts failured per MILLION. Usually applied for Electronic products but not AUTOMOTIVE.

There will be a failured parts exist in a car. In other words, No Perfect car found in this world cause it was made by HUMAN. GOD made is PERFECT but not HUMAN made.

No matter TOYOTA, HONDA, MB or BMW good in quality control there will be failured found. Just the numbers of car might be more or less than other cars.

Conclusion, LUCK is the MOST important factor when you buy a BRAND new CAR. BRAND only give you confident but not LUCK. AGREED??

and regarding ur point that more complain of proton because more owners, then all the more proton should take remedial steps to correct itself. we still complain because i'd say we still care, and hope to see proton as a major carmaker in the international market. else we wouldn't bother complaining rite?

probably all these issues are our own fault. Malaysians ' tidak apa' attitude. When we first encounter problems with our first Saga, we said, ' tidak apa, proton masih baru…' so we already have developed that kind of attitude towards proton, and for a lot of other matters.

unless attitudes change, these issues will never be laid to rest.

There is something called taking criticism constructively. That's why you have critics. Critics are opinionated people who may be right or wrong, but it's their experience which make their perception valuable.

I believe that Proton has good cars too. Example, the Putra, Satria GTi. But what I did not really like is that they have taken too long to improve. They constantly fail in quality. and I agree so much with what OM has stated 2 posts earlier.

In Australia, you take a car's price, eg, BMW 3 series, double it up in AUD and then only do the exchange. You get the price of the same car in Malaysia.

60k x 2 =120k x 3 =360k. Well I think the new 3 series is pretty much around that price isn't it?

when proton does not improving..u guys keep blaming,cursing..when proton try their best to improve,selling car overseas…u guys still blaming and cursing it too..what do u want actually?

u dont like proton..so be it…leave it alone…if proton want to sell car overseas..let it be…if u dont likeproton..keep quite..if u like proton..praay for its success…and keep hoping proton will grow..

re the price in UK, cannot just simply convert the money, but also need to take account the take home pay.

Proton Car in UK – say 12k GBP, proton in Msia – say 60k RM

Average salary of 5 yr experience engineer = 5k GBP (Msia – 5k RM)

car price in UK = 2.5 x monthly salary, (Msia – 12 x monthly salary)

conclusion, car is affordable there, but ppl simply don't want to use car cos of good public service. Wish we + our gov can emulate their country. take the positive only.

OM

typical malaysian, everything no good…

yeah correct.. SOUR GRAPES…lu lah!

August 25, 2005 @ 11:11 am

do you know that the cost of RM54k for a Gen2 is well over inflated? I guess you do not realise whose pockets your money is going into.

—-> What to do? I cant afford to buy a Vios or City…thats my maximum budget mate…if my budget is only sufficient for a iswara or kancil…then it will never fails me too ~~~~ Sounds sour? yeap its sour grapes man ~~~!!!

August 24, 2005 @ 3:46 pm

I bought the Gen2 (M) in December 2004 and it has not failed me except for some niggling things that was rectified during the servicing intervals.

—> Seeing the power window "power down" straight into the door in 1 second consider niggling things? oops…even mounting make noise…radiator overheated…oso niggling things?? wahsei…then it will never ever fails you…coz you juz a "tak pe lah" proton ownder dude!!

1.6 gen2 (M) = 54k

52k for 1.3 car? ayoooo…

Cheers.

I bought the Gen2 (M) in December 2004 and it has not failed me except for some niggling things that was rectified during the servicing intervals. I find that is normal since I bought the car for RM54k and not for a RM80K Vios or City.

The best part of owning the Gen2 is the handling and performance. The sound system is good as well however the seats needs to be redesigned to cater for 6 footers like me. Furtheremore, negative points for lack of dashboard eventhough it has a glove compartment. Other than that, no issues with my Gen2.

So, good luck to Proton in their new venture to the South African car market. May they get more profit from there and in the long run improve their R-D and subsequently the quality of cars produced from Proton.

Actually, I want to say something. I dun know for the old cars (Wira, Satria etc) cos I did see there is a different level of interior trim quality (altho my experince with this is 12 years ago) but for the Gen2 and Savvy, the build quality for export & local is basically the same.

The differences now would be based on:

1) legislation requirment to enter the diff country market

2) public taste

3) cost factors

In the case of 1) legislation:

Diff countries have diff requirements. Maybe one country requires catalytic converter Type X before u allowed to sell car. Another country only allow Type Y. Another country uses diff fuel mix, or only diesel. Another country is left hand drive. Another country only allow cars with electronic limited speed. Another country says no airbags, no sell. Another country says, your steel must be XX mm thick at certain points.

So if u want to sell, u haf to suit ur product to their legal & their environment, right?

Dun tell me u gonna try bang ur same square peg product into round holes okay…. u can't.

In the case of 2) public taste:

Each country population have diff tastes. Lets say your nasi lemak seller start to expand. And he found out at the original restaraunt A, 90% of his customer likes super spicy. But at the new branch B, his customers dun eat hot. (Maybe it's expat area, haha…) so he change the curry reciepe. Then he opens another shop C and found out the customers here r very health conscious, dun wan big plate of nasi lemak, only small serving size of nasi putih. (!@#$)

In the case of 3) cost factors:

Here u find Malaysia customers r funny. Complain like mad la no new design la, no airbags lah, no this no that… but when it is offered with that option, nobody wants to buy. Why? Because of course the cost went up. In the end to satisfy the majority of the market Proton has to offer lower spec car in local market!

Then sometimes, those that can afford, prefer dun choose Proton- the mentality is like, at that price level, I rather own more Branded car…

So how????

Also, how come nobody get angry with other businesses of diff quality / diff options of product offered in diff market? Is it bcos nobody knows, or is just that nobody gets offended and take it personally?

Volvo does this- they have different engines for the XC90 but did not bring into Malaysia from day 1 of their business plan…

Nike does this- they offer differnt catalogues and products to diff region. And the shoes are more comfortable from Japan.

Even Coke does this! Did u know Coke from different countries r all slightly different taste?

The first generation Sony product manufactured in Japan is different quality than the next ones made in other places around the world…