Comments on: Petronas E01 sold to China’s Nanjing Automobile http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:12:29 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: dancing sideways http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-199521 dancing sideways Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:48:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-199521 i believe some mentioned cost of the engine, development cost is very normal for a local major manufacturer but cost to build the engine has to be like any other give or take a few higher cost in material quantity, availibility and quality. It is up to the proton to understand how to create a market for it which they completely fail to do it. either that or probably there is something we didn't know about the engine such as reliability. if it were reliable, i would absolutely love to see the engine n the road, it could even have been a cult engine! Borneo i believe some mentioned cost of the engine, development cost is very normal for a local major manufacturer but cost to build the engine has to be like any other give or take a few higher cost in material quantity, availibility and quality. It is up to the proton to understand how to create a market for it which they completely fail to do it.

either that or probably there is something we didn’t know about the engine such as reliability. if it were reliable, i would absolutely love to see the engine n the road, it could even have been a cult engine!

Borneo

]]> By: haroldz http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-54394 haroldz Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:21:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-54394 Campro is a good engine. But i dun think proton has budget to develop it. they are in REDDD now... thanks to their BRILLIANT business strategy. they even have a top officer who spend more competing in local motoring events than in his office.. hehehehe Campro is a good engine.
But i dun think proton has budget to develop it.
they are in REDDD now…
thanks to their BRILLIANT business strategy.
they even have a top officer who spend more competing in local motoring events than in his office..
hehehehe

]]> By: Petronas E01 engine to be built in China http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-54388 Petronas E01 engine to be built in China Wed, 01 Nov 2006 07:28:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-54388 [...] Petronas has reached an agreement with two Chinese automotive companies to jointly manufacture the Petronas E01 engine for commercial use, after a Letter of Intent was signed between the three parties back in September 2005. [...] [...] Petronas has reached an agreement with two Chinese automotive companies to jointly manufacture the Petronas E01 engine for commercial use, after a Letter of Intent was signed between the three parties back in September 2005. [...]

]]> By: v http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-38362 v Thu, 11 May 2006 04:14:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-38362 What la u all....whats bad with campro?????The Campro engine is aimed to show Proton's ability to make their own engines that produces good power output and meets newer emission standards and recently, Proton is developing their own gasoline direct injection version of Campro engines which will be used in the future. Currently, the Campro GDI engine is still under research and development, therefore very little information available for the Campro GDI engine...so guess what? What la u all….whats bad with campro?????The Campro engine is aimed to show Proton’s ability to make their own engines that produces good power output and meets newer emission standards and recently, Proton is developing their own gasoline direct injection version of Campro engines which will be used in the future. Currently, the Campro GDI engine is still under research and development, therefore very little information available for the Campro GDI engine…so guess what?

]]> By: Proton to use Petronas E01 family engines? » http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-32580 Proton to use Petronas E01 family engines? » Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:16:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-32580 [...] Previously a Letter of Intent was also signed between Petronas and Nanjing Automobile of China for it’s Petronas E01 family. [...] [...] Previously a Letter of Intent was also signed between Petronas and Nanjing Automobile of China for it’s Petronas E01 family. [...]

]]> By: ralliart http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-30573 ralliart Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:20:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-30573 Guys, why no E01 engine in protn cars ? answer = cost estimated value of a single EO1 prototype engine rm 250 k dont ask were i got this just trust me on this ,i seen the engine in few wajas , Satrias , Perdanas as for gen 2 n wira not seen yet .... The EO1 engine is design by our local engineers who spent abput 4-5 year making this engine , but it is made in japan . it can easy fit in to any proton car as i mention ealier .i had the pleasure of testing n driving waja n perdana with EO1 engine man do they punch a lot , it takes only 10 mtr to stop from 140km to dead 0 .... By the way , if some of u seen the marshall cars used in the F1 IN SEPANG IS POWERED wt the rd/4th generation E01 engine . Guys, why no E01 engine in protn cars ? answer = cost estimated value of a single EO1 prototype engine rm 250 k dont ask were i got this just trust me on this ,i seen the engine in few wajas , Satrias , Perdanas as for gen 2 n wira not seen yet ….

The EO1 engine is design by our local engineers who spent abput 4-5 year making this engine , but it is made in japan . it can easy fit in to any proton car as i mention ealier .i had the pleasure of testing n driving waja n perdana with EO1 engine man do they punch a lot , it takes only 10 mtr to stop from 140km to dead 0 ….

By the way , if some of u seen the marshall cars used in the F1 IN SEPANG IS POWERED wt the rd/4th generation E01 engine .

]]> By: virus http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-28158 virus Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:20:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-28158 rugi tul proton ni bodoh sombong rugi tul proton ni bodoh sombong

]]> By: anas http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-22245 anas Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:21:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-22245 why is proton not using E01 engines? 1. most proton cars use mitsubishi engines and gearbox, meaning if they're going to use E01, they must develop a new gearbox, and i tell you, we don't have the experience in gearbox design, this is confirmed by an IR in a local university, my lecturer, he conceded that although we send our engineers to mitsubishi japan, the japanese only let them see how the gearbox is designed, but not teach them anything! 2. the cost of proton cars would be astronomical. proton is a company aiming to produce cars affordable to malaysians, remember? 3. also, if proton and petronas decide to work together developing the engine, they have to start from scratch, designing the chassis, engine mounting, gearbox and all that matters. ingat senang ke nak buat sebuah kereta?? but the important reason is gearbox, as the major problem with malaysian cars is always the gearbox. oh, savvy is installed with the auto-manual transsmission. any review on that?? why is proton not using E01 engines?

1. most proton cars use mitsubishi engines and gearbox, meaning if they’re going to use E01, they must develop a new gearbox, and i tell you, we don’t have the experience in gearbox design, this is confirmed by an IR in a local university, my lecturer, he conceded that although we send our engineers to mitsubishi japan, the japanese only let them see how the gearbox is designed, but not teach them anything!

2. the cost of proton cars would be astronomical. proton is a company aiming to produce cars affordable to malaysians, remember?

3. also, if proton and petronas decide to work together developing the engine, they have to start from scratch, designing the chassis, engine mounting, gearbox and all that matters. ingat senang ke nak buat sebuah kereta??

but the important reason is gearbox, as the major problem with malaysian cars is always the gearbox.

oh, savvy is installed with the auto-manual transsmission. any review on that??

]]> By: gorgon http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-17190 gorgon Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:46:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-17190 hello guys... dunno what driven me into tis so called blog...but a very interesting yet beneficial discussion...however got doubt and wish you guys could give opinion... 1-is it really expensive to put that EO1 into proton cars?..rough estimation maybe? 2- is it feasible to put the EO1 engine into proton?...in term of market etc? 3- if let say proton did agree to dump EO1 into proton cars, will the malaysian buy them?... i guess thats all for now..hope to hear a reply from you guys....cheers hello guys…

dunno what driven me into tis so called blog…but a very interesting yet beneficial discussion…however got doubt and wish you guys could give opinion…

1-is it really expensive to put that EO1 into proton cars?..rough estimation maybe?

2- is it feasible to put the EO1 engine into proton?…in term of market etc?

3- if let say proton did agree to dump EO1 into proton cars, will the malaysian buy them?…

i guess thats all for now..hope to hear a reply from you guys….cheers

]]> By: Osman http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-15187 Osman Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:52:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-15187 Sequence IIIG, brilliant. Others cool off, and remember the nation needs 200,000 Scientists and Engineers only out of 25 million population or 60 out of 10,000 Labour/Workforce. So, go ahead and study MATHEMATICS to develop more technology to be proud of. MATHEMATICS is the mother of Engineering, Science Technology, you name it. Happy to be Malaysian Admirer Sequence IIIG, brilliant.
Others cool off, and remember the nation needs 200,000 Scientists and Engineers only out of 25 million population or 60 out of 10,000 Labour/Workforce. So, go ahead and study MATHEMATICS to develop more technology to be proud of.
MATHEMATICS is the mother of Engineering, Science Technology, you name it.

Happy to be Malaysian Admirer

]]> By: shumacher http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-13751 shumacher Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:38:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-13751 it look nice when the engine fitted to the potong waja, it look nice when the engine fitted to the potong waja,

]]> By: Sequence IIIG http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-13125 Sequence IIIG Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:59:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-13125 Guys, No one has sold or bought anything yet. There has no contractual binding either parties to anything. They've only signed a letter of intent (LOI) simmilar to an MOU. As far as I know, it is not a contract i.e. a legaly binding document that means each party has promised to do so and so... I think smaller, detailed deals/contracts between PETRONAS, NAC and BCG will follow once they've agreed on what they want out of this partnership. As far as I'm concerned this is just a political parade since Najip was visiting China at the time. Last time i heard from my friend in PETRONAS (last Tuesday) who is in the EO1 design team, no clear result out of the signing has filtered down to the Engineers themselves. This might mean that the signing was just a political exercise and the details have not been worked out yet. But he did confirm that they are looking into adapting the EO1 technology to come up with a 1.8l and 2.2l engine, probably by re-stroking the engine. One thing is for sure. It's not all about money. PETRONAS has already spent the money on development and they are not intending to get the development cost back. It's part of PETRONAS' social obligation to help develop Malaysian's and now we have the capability to design and develop engines. We still can't build complete engines and PETRONAS does not intend to become an engine maker/assembler. It is not our core business. Therefore the natural step is to comercialise the technology and use the royalty gained from that to further develop our engineer's capabilities and know how with more development. That's how I see it. As to why Proton did not use the EO1 engine, the official reply from the head of powertrain at Proton is that it's just plain too expensive and proton's 2 litre volume is microscopic! They rarely sell more than 8000 Perdana's a year, hardly enuf to make the engine cheap enough. As for political conspiracies, i reckon a little bit of much of what has been said might be true. Only TM (Tengku Mahaleel) would know the whole truth i guess. At the end of the day, lets just all hope that this signing of the LOI will lead for great things ahead, both for our nation and our much controversial Auto industry. Guys,
No one has sold or bought anything yet. There has no contractual binding either parties to anything. They’ve only signed a letter of intent (LOI) simmilar to an MOU. As far as I know, it is not a contract i.e. a legaly binding document that means each party has promised to do so and so… I think smaller, detailed deals/contracts between PETRONAS, NAC and BCG will follow once they’ve agreed on what they want out of this partnership. As far as I’m concerned this is just a political parade since Najip was visiting China at the time. Last time i heard from my friend in PETRONAS (last Tuesday) who is in the EO1 design team, no clear result out of the signing has filtered down to the Engineers themselves. This might mean that the signing was just a political exercise and the details have not been worked out yet. But he did confirm that they are looking into adapting the EO1 technology to come up with a 1.8l and 2.2l engine, probably by re-stroking the engine.
One thing is for sure. It’s not all about money. PETRONAS has already spent the money on development and they are not intending to get the development cost back. It’s part of PETRONAS’ social obligation to help develop Malaysian’s and now we have the capability to design and develop engines. We still can’t build complete engines and PETRONAS does not intend to become an engine maker/assembler. It is not our core business. Therefore the natural step is to comercialise the technology and use the royalty gained from that to further develop our engineer’s capabilities and know how with more development. That’s how I see it. As to why Proton did not use the EO1 engine, the official reply from the head of powertrain at Proton is that it’s just plain too expensive and proton’s 2 litre volume is microscopic! They rarely sell more than 8000 Perdana’s a year, hardly enuf to make the engine cheap enough. As for political conspiracies, i reckon a little bit of much of what has been said might be true. Only TM (Tengku Mahaleel) would know the whole truth i guess. At the end of the day, lets just all hope that this signing of the LOI will lead for great things ahead, both for our nation and our much controversial Auto industry.

]]> By: moo_t http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12751 moo_t Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:48:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12751 It seems nobody care to check Paul Tan orignial E01 specification. The engine is make up of ALUMINIUM. Not many car engine is make up of aluminium, the cost. Alunimium cast is totally different than steel cast. In addition, this engine will not meet economical scale and there is no current Proton related production line is making alumium engine. (Don't you notice that the heavy money losing Perwaja are suppose to be main steel supplier for protons, including those steel engine mount?) So case close. Please stop complaining why proton don't do this and that! It seems nobody care to check Paul Tan orignial E01 specification. The engine is make up of ALUMINIUM.

Not many car engine is make up of aluminium, the cost. Alunimium cast is totally different than steel cast. In addition, this engine will not meet economical scale and there is no current Proton related production line is making alumium engine. (Don’t you notice that the heavy money losing Perwaja are suppose to be main steel supplier for protons, including those steel engine mount?)

So case close. Please stop complaining why proton don’t do this and that!

]]> By: Just me http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12737 Just me Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:25:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12737 E01 Engine emmm...Good looking engine..But I don't think it's a production intent engine. Carbon fibre engine cover, chrome intake & Titanium exhaust manifold..How much it will cost. Must be RM20,00 alone without the transmission...Just imagine if Proton to use the engine, how much is the selling price of the vehicle ????...Based Gen + RM30,000 maybe..Do we want to pay RM80K for Gen2.. My friend told me that the liner is nikasil plating...Expensive and not proven for mass production engine...High revvs engine means more fuel consumed...Rm 1.60/litre now and counting...garu kepala..... All I can see in the engine is nice to have but not viable for production..Perhaps, they have to decontent the engine to suit the business case..But to what level ??? CamPro maybe... E01 Engine emmm…Good looking engine..But I don’t think it’s a production intent engine. Carbon fibre engine cover, chrome intake & Titanium exhaust manifold..How much it will cost. Must be RM20,00 alone without the transmission…Just imagine if Proton to use the engine, how much is the selling price of the vehicle ????…Based Gen + RM30,000 maybe..Do we want to pay RM80K for Gen2.. My friend told me that the liner is nikasil plating…Expensive and not proven for mass production engine…High revvs engine means more fuel consumed…Rm 1.60/litre now and counting…garu kepala…..

All I can see in the engine is nice to have but not viable for production..Perhaps, they have to decontent the engine to suit the business case..But to what level ??? CamPro maybe…

]]> By: Nerd http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12712 Nerd Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:34:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12712 I always want to see that engine goes into Malaysian's cars. This really sad me....warghhhhh......... I always want to see that engine goes into Malaysian’s cars. This really sad me….warghhhhh………

]]> By: teslarage http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12677 teslarage Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:45:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12677 LOL! LOL!

]]> By: Crusifie-X http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12672 Crusifie-X Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:19:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12672 Setuju dgn mitsu_galant_2000! Duh!!! Belut menulis main sedap mulut je. At least gunakan internet untuk timba ilmu. Aku yang duduk kat Brunei ni dah hampir 5 tahun boleh tau plak, tp aku Malaysian la. Setuju dgn mitsu_galant_2000!

Duh!!! Belut menulis main sedap mulut je. At least gunakan internet untuk timba ilmu. Aku yang duduk kat Brunei ni dah hampir 5 tahun boleh tau plak, tp aku Malaysian la.

]]> By: mitsu_galant_2000 http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12653 mitsu_galant_2000 Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:14:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12653 belut.. ko nih menulis tanpa ilmu lah.. duk bawah tempurung ke? belut..
ko nih menulis tanpa ilmu lah..
duk bawah tempurung ke?

]]> By: Belut http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12628 Belut Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:29:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12628 Engine Campro belum wujud lagi.. tiada! Hanya logo di Gen.2 sahaja yang tulis benda tu.. Engine Campro belum wujud lagi.. tiada!
Hanya logo di Gen.2 sahaja yang tulis benda tu..

]]> By: hfrshah http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12594 hfrshah Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:53:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12594 the E01 is an engine designed for high performance. 200bhp from a 2.0 liter NA engine is very impressive, yes, thats obvious. even the current Civic Type-R's 2.0 liter VTEC produces 'only' 197bhp.. but the Honda engine is using current technology, the same cant be said of the E01. the first E01 was done by 1998.. thats years back.. to achieve the 200bhp mark, surely some compromise have been taken..how sure are you that the E01 is reliable? even if it is, what about the maintenance? and ultimately the cost of the engine itself must be high. point is, Proton have their own reasons in not using this engine. maybe its pride, cost, or even politics, but that doesnt matter coz thats the past. the current matter is, Petronas has sold the engine, thus the development cost is not entirely a waste, and Proton itself is already making their own engines, and maybe, a big MAYBE here, future Campros will be good the E01 is an engine designed for high performance. 200bhp from a 2.0 liter NA engine is very impressive, yes, thats obvious. even the current Civic Type-R’s 2.0 liter VTEC produces ‘only’ 197bhp..
but the Honda engine is using current technology, the same cant be said of the E01. the first E01 was done by 1998.. thats years back.. to achieve the 200bhp mark, surely some compromise have been taken..how sure are you that the E01 is reliable? even if it is, what about the maintenance? and ultimately the cost of the engine itself must be high.

point is, Proton have their own reasons in not using this engine. maybe its pride, cost, or even politics, but that doesnt matter coz thats the past. the current matter is, Petronas has sold the engine, thus the development cost is not entirely a waste, and Proton itself is already making their own engines, and maybe, a big MAYBE here, future Campros will be good

]]> By: Rave http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12586 Rave Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:38:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12586 another one....... another one…….

]]> By: stupid rafidah http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12585 stupid rafidah Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:36:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12585 stupid stupid plotong good engine dun want output almost like k20a got dohc vvt lagi f1 technology lagi ahduh ngoknya,since plotong have ability for mass production this product would have been cheap and can install under our hoods ego lah see now whats the state of proton making so much loses eventhough got so many gov protection i suport u dog the wan campro too loud lah on high revs stupid stupid plotong
good engine dun want output almost like k20a got dohc vvt lagi
f1 technology lagi
ahduh ngoknya,since plotong have ability for mass production this product would have been cheap and can install under our hoods
ego lah see now whats the state of proton making so much loses eventhough got so many gov protection
i suport u dog the wan campro too loud lah on high revs

]]> By: Rave http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12584 Rave Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:36:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12584 dog the wan, thanks man.....thats uour identity...no prob...keep up the good work dog the wan,
thanks man…..thats uour identity…no prob…keep up the good work

]]> By: DOG THE WAN http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12580 DOG THE WAN Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:17:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12580 Hello Rave! Thank you for your support and correction. Sorry I like to KEEP it as POTONG caused it is my Trade Mark! Also, You all still can read and understand what I means!! Furthermore I am not POTONG FANs cause I am Neutral............. manl! Only comments something based on facts and Logic.... Okay? Hello Rave! Thank you for your support and correction. Sorry I like to KEEP it as POTONG caused it is my Trade Mark! Also, You all still can read and understand what I means!!

Furthermore I am not POTONG FANs cause I am Neutral…………. manl!
Only comments something based on facts and Logic…. Okay?

]]> By: Andrew http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12577 Andrew Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:02:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12577 To Verne CAMPRO is lousy. Reason? The engine bears the name CAMPRO, but its selling point (CAM shift PROfile) is not in there! That's why! I agree with what Dog The Wan says. In business, it is a DOG eat DOG world. After all, profits come first than ANYTHING. To Verne

CAMPRO is lousy. Reason?
The engine bears the name CAMPRO, but its selling point (CAM shift PROfile) is not in there!

That’s why!

I agree with what Dog The Wan says. In business, it is a DOG eat DOG world. After all, profits come first than ANYTHING.

]]> By: Verne http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12571 Verne Mon, 05 Sep 2005 07:04:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12571 I believe the E01 is a high performance engine. 100bhp/litre is very high output. Proton embarked on its own engine development project with the CAMPRO, and Petronas on the E01 prototype. Weighing the pros and cons, E01 is understood to be expensive and not commercially viable, despite its performance. I believe Nanjing will extract EO1 technology to be used in the design of its own series of engines and not the E01 in whole, not outright. I am still unsure why people have the perception that the CAMPRO is a lousy engine. Based on what facts? I believe the E01 is a high performance engine. 100bhp/litre is very high output. Proton embarked on its own engine development project with the CAMPRO, and Petronas on the E01 prototype.

Weighing the pros and cons, E01 is understood to be expensive and not commercially viable, despite its performance.

I believe Nanjing will extract EO1 technology to be used in the design of its own series of engines and not the E01 in whole, not outright.

I am still unsure why people have the perception that the CAMPRO is a lousy engine. Based on what facts?

]]> By: Joe http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12566 Joe Mon, 05 Sep 2005 06:01:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12566 agree, buisness is buisness, engine actual testing(but if not mistaken it has already been done on satria and perdana in 99 till 01) and soon, but china in the other hand as you all know is quite well known on 'ciplak'ing things. Companies try to sue them on this matter but find it just useless because their gov protected them. Maybe this is something to worry about? agree, buisness is buisness, engine actual testing(but if not mistaken it has already been done on satria and perdana in 99 till 01) and soon, but china in the other hand as you all know is quite well known on ‘ciplak’ing things. Companies try to sue them on this matter but find it just useless because their gov protected them. Maybe this is something to worry about?

]]> By: tai http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12564 tai Mon, 05 Sep 2005 05:32:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12564 I politely disagree. P1 embarked on their own project for engine design and development, and had already invested money in nurturing their own talents, resources, etc. The E01 is an indirect fruit from Petronas' F1 involvement, developed by malaysian engineers with Sauber Petronas Engineering (in the year 2000!). Logically, Petronas had went to P1. Unfortunately, P1 let ego and pride get in the way of rationale. Can you imagine the shame of using a non-car manufacturer's design? Especially when you hadnt designed or produced any significant car-related product yourself? Shy la. So P1 did tell Petronas that they ll do it on their own. And that, is the crux of it. It is unorthodox for an oil & gas co to develop an engine. It is even more uncommon, for it to have a good one. For a major manufacturer to admit defeat and swalllow pride, it ll take a very rational and sensible mind, with a lot of humility to boot. P1 as we know, is not one of those just yet. Well at least it wasnt 5 years ago. What scares me is this - if a China corp (this is a fiercely competitive frontier lest you forget) thinks an engine designed 5 years ago, from a Malaysian oil & gas co is good enough, this Petronas E01 must be pretty damn decent... (economics of money aside.. ok la argue its cheap la but heck can buy cheap in a lot of places. like buy a Campro:)) I politely disagree.

P1 embarked on their own project for engine design and development, and had already invested money in nurturing their own talents, resources, etc. The E01 is an indirect fruit from Petronas’ F1 involvement, developed by malaysian engineers with Sauber Petronas Engineering (in the year 2000!).

Logically, Petronas had went to P1. Unfortunately, P1 let ego and pride get in the way of rationale. Can you imagine the shame of using a non-car manufacturer’s design? Especially when you hadnt designed or produced any significant car-related product yourself? Shy la. So P1 did tell Petronas that they ll do it on their own.

And that, is the crux of it. It is unorthodox for an oil & gas co to develop an engine. It is even more uncommon, for it to have a good one.

For a major manufacturer to admit defeat and swalllow pride, it ll take a very rational and sensible mind, with a lot of humility to boot.

P1 as we know, is not one of those just yet. Well at least it wasnt 5 years ago.

What scares me is this – if a China corp (this is a fiercely competitive frontier lest you forget) thinks an engine designed 5 years ago, from a Malaysian oil & gas co is good enough, this Petronas E01 must be pretty damn decent…

(economics of money aside.. ok la argue its cheap la but heck can buy cheap in a lot of places. like buy a Campro:))

]]> By: Apai Mau http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12560 Apai Mau Mon, 05 Sep 2005 04:55:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12560 I certainly agree with dog the wan & mitsu_galant. Remember if you invent something n then sell it u still have the patent rights of the item u invent. Same like the copyright u see on artists punya album. Which means proton still can get untung provided that petronas still hold some shares as dog the wan has mentioned. Hopefully its true. N btw China rite now is getting very aggresive in marketing. Remember the cheap textile crisis that affected western markets some months ago? Cheap textile from china? If china can do that to the e01 engine, hmmm......... I certainly agree with dog the wan & mitsu_galant. Remember if you invent something n then sell it u still have the patent rights of the item u invent. Same like the copyright u see on artists punya album.
Which means proton still can get untung provided that petronas still hold some shares as dog the wan has mentioned. Hopefully its true.
N btw China rite now is getting very aggresive in marketing. Remember the cheap textile crisis that affected western markets some months ago? Cheap textile from china?
If china can do that to the e01 engine, hmmm………

]]> By: mitsu_galant_2000 http://paultan.org/2005/09/04/petronas-e01-sold-to-chinas-nanjing-automobile/#comment-12552 mitsu_galant_2000 Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:40:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=390#comment-12552 agreed with dog the wan.. agreed with dog the wan..

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