Comments on: How to solve Proton Gen2 door problem http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 22 May 2012 18:26:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: domoteka http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-47969 domoteka Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:15:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-47969 Proton tak berdaya maju kerana tidak dapat pasang pintu dengan baik. Malaysia Boleh, Proton pun Bolehlah..... Proton tak berdaya maju kerana tidak dapat pasang pintu dengan baik.

Malaysia Boleh, Proton pun Bolehlah…..

]]> By: v http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-38531 v Mon, 15 May 2006 14:40:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-38531 I have been using Gen 2 for 6 months, no problems for me, love the ride and handling and it feels solid unlike Vios or City I have been using Gen 2 for 6 months, no problems for me, love the ride and handling and it feels solid unlike Vios or City

]]> By: chang http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-36615 chang Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:42:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-36615 Ha...... i sell my potong gen2 oledi..... now no this suck problem with my new car... i tak nak barang with thunder cat logo!!! Ha……

i sell my potong gen2 oledi…..

now no this suck problem with my new car…

i tak nak barang with thunder cat logo!!!

]]> By: Proton’s Quality Control Campaign » http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-36589 Proton’s Quality Control Campaign » Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:05:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-36589 [...] One of the main peeves on Proton cars have been it’s notorious quality control, as evident from a previous post I made on how to fix the Proton Gen2’s door latch. The problem with the Proton Gen2 door latch was the assembly line personnel did not align the latch properly, thus making it abit hard to open and close. News is that this particular QC issue has been fixed with new Proton Gen2 stock, so if it’s true that’s good. Other common jokes about Proton QC are like “buy a Proton, get an aquarium free! Best deal for Koi lovers ever. Where’s the aquarium? Your Proton car’s boot of course. It will be filled with water leaking in.” [...] [...] One of the main peeves on Proton cars have been it’s notorious quality control, as evident from a previous post I made on how to fix the Proton Gen2’s door latch. The problem with the Proton Gen2 door latch was the assembly line personnel did not align the latch properly, thus making it abit hard to open and close. News is that this particular QC issue has been fixed with new Proton Gen2 stock, so if it’s true that’s good. Other common jokes about Proton QC are like “buy a Proton, get an aquarium free! Best deal for Koi lovers ever. Where’s the aquarium? Your Proton car’s boot of course. It will be filled with water leaking in.” [...]

]]> By: jabar http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-30061 jabar Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:50:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-30061 how can't i think of that b4??r u wroking wit proton??proton sucks!!pasang pintu pun xbtl..luckily gvrmnt cover dorg,.kalau x da lama aku bli keta org jepun..baru la pandang ke timur... how can't i think of that b4??r u wroking wit proton??proton sucks!!pasang pintu pun xbtl..luckily gvrmnt cover dorg,.kalau x da lama aku bli keta org jepun..baru la pandang ke timur…

]]> By: chris http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-29164 chris Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:36:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-29164 Its always the left rear door for all protons...maybe their designer got left-related problems...cannot think properly for anything rear-left.. Its always the left rear door for all protons…maybe their designer got left-related problems…cannot think properly for anything rear-left..

]]> By: leo http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-25616 leo Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:41:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-25616 pray hard Ethan, your wish'll come trough. pray hard Ethan, your wish'll come trough.

]]> By: Ethan http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-24748 Ethan Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:28:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-24748 I was thinking of getting myself a Gen.2 1.3 Auto. I do heard problems about previous batches of Gen2 cars like the incident where the engine caught fire, the flimsy door ...... having a Proton car in my family previously, it's quite irritating as the power windows fail now and then, the lock goes berserk, and the door wont close properly too but engine wise ( Wira ) is not bad. Havent had any problem with the engine part. I hope that there's no problem with CamPro engine. I agree with the comment that after 20 long years, we are still seeing not much improvement on the QC of proton cars. What a dissapointment. Plus the silly goverment is forcing us to support national cars by raising taxes and import duties for foreign cars. Plus Proton car designs are not that appealing at all, it's always a bad imitation of other brands. Hopefully when i got my Gen.2, it wont be of any trouble. I was thinking of getting myself a Gen.2 1.3 Auto. I do heard problems about previous batches of Gen2 cars like the incident where the engine caught fire, the flimsy door …… having a Proton car in my family previously, it's quite irritating as the power windows fail now and then, the lock goes berserk, and the door wont close properly too but engine wise ( Wira ) is not bad. Havent had any problem with the engine part. I hope that there's no problem with CamPro engine. I agree with the comment that after 20 long years, we are still seeing not much improvement on the QC of proton cars. What a dissapointment. Plus the silly goverment is forcing us to support national cars by raising taxes and import duties for foreign cars. Plus Proton car designs are not that appealing at all, it's always a bad imitation of other brands. Hopefully when i got my Gen.2, it wont be of any trouble.

]]> By: qwerty http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-23311 qwerty Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:21:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-23311 I am planning to buy the new gen 2 1.3cc. Any one has any feedback on this model? Good or bad. I am planning to buy the new gen 2 1.3cc. Any one has any feedback on this model? Good or bad.

]]> By: jerry e bernard http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-21698 jerry e bernard Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:33:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-21698 Gen 2 is my 1st brand new owned car and i have it for about 10 months now. When it was 1st launched, i fell in love at 1st sight and made it a point that my 1st brand new car would be this one out of the spirit of "Malaysia Boleh". Well, 10 months has passed now and after reading your guys comments/complaints, i realised that i'm not experiencing those problems such as door hinges, electric windows/side mirror switches etc. However, what i'm experiencing now are the two front doors are shaking from the inside everytime i press the pedal and everytime i hit a gravel or uneven road, i'd hear a "thump" sound coming from behind. I suspected that the suspension or absorber or whatever were not tightly fit. I had it checked twice during my 1st two service at the...... You guess it right!!! at the EONservice and what they told me was that it was the backseat that made the noise due to the unfit lock/hinge of the seat!!! Yeah backseat my A@@!!! I even went to a mechanic friend of mine but we couldn't seem to find the problem!.. Do You think you have a solution to these problems? Gen 2 is my 1st brand new owned car and i have it for about 10 months now. When it was 1st launched, i fell in love at 1st sight and made it a point that my 1st brand new car would be this one out of the spirit of "Malaysia Boleh".

Well, 10 months has passed now and after reading your guys comments/complaints, i realised that i'm not experiencing those problems such as door hinges, electric windows/side mirror switches etc. However, what i'm experiencing now are the two front doors are shaking from the inside everytime i press the pedal and everytime i hit a gravel or uneven road, i'd hear a "thump" sound coming from behind. I suspected that the suspension or absorber or whatever were not tightly fit.

I had it checked twice during my 1st two service at the…… You guess it right!!! at the EONservice and what they told me was that it was the backseat that made the noise due to the unfit lock/hinge of the seat!!! Yeah backseat my A@@!!! I even went to a mechanic friend of mine but we couldn't seem to find the problem!..

Do You think you have a solution to these problems?

]]> By: galiloe http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-20613 galiloe Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:12:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-20613 proton edar service center is so painfull at the ass.... just to go and service my gen2 i have to take a day off.... then my compalints are never been done... problems will repeat after every service or complains plus i have to pay RM100+ for my 1st to third service respectively.... do they really know what they are doing or not? proton edar service center is so painfull at the ass…. just to go and service my gen2 i have to take a day off…. then my compalints are never been done… problems will repeat after every service or complains plus i have to pay RM100+ for my 1st to third service respectively…. do they really know what they are doing or not?

]]> By: max_tst http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-19227 max_tst Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:30:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-19227 Hi. I'm owner of GEN-2, bought at mar2005, really gave a lot of problem, door hardly open la, Power windows button spoilt la, reverse sensor cannot work la, Need to go very near to CAR only can Activate/deactivate the alarm, the roof of inner part looks like want to peel off. somemore the pick up is like SHIT. During my 3rd service which i send to PESB Batu Cave, they change all the stuff, however, similar problme come back, door hardly open, when try to open my drive side window, there is a sound 'KI KOK Ki KO'. somemore the Bloody PESB service took me 8hr to finish fixing my car. I would say DAMM "TU LA'. My Next Car won;t be a PROTON. Hi. I'm owner of GEN-2, bought at mar2005, really gave a lot of problem, door hardly open la, Power windows button spoilt la, reverse sensor cannot work la, Need to go very near to CAR only can Activate/deactivate the alarm, the roof of inner part looks like want to peel off. somemore the pick up is like SHIT. During my 3rd service which i send to PESB Batu Cave, they change all the stuff, however, similar problme come back, door hardly open, when try to open my drive side window, there is a sound 'KI KOK Ki KO'. somemore the Bloody PESB service took me 8hr to finish fixing my car. I would say DAMM "TU LA'.

My Next Car won;t be a PROTON.

]]> By: benny http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-17912 benny Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:49:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-17912 Been checking out a few blogs and website. seems like u guys are the best in knowledge with national cars. so here i m. seeking advice. Got my kelisa (yellow limited edition) in 2002. now thinking of changing it to.... satria, gen-2, wira aeroback or savvy.... my personal fav in satria.. but so expensive... cheapest is savvy.. but not really like the butt.... but anyway.. hope u guys can advise me on the engine (good/bad/etc.) and any problems with each of those cars... the other day i was walking and a brand new savvy cruise past me... but the engine noise is so loud!!! maybe that man was a bad driver... dragging at 1st gear.. who knows right? do write to me at benedict66@time.net.my if u hv advise to give. thanks. - benny Been checking out a few blogs and website. seems like u guys are the best in knowledge with national cars. so here i m. seeking advice.

Got my kelisa (yellow limited edition) in 2002. now thinking of changing it to….

satria, gen-2, wira aeroback or savvy….

my personal fav in satria.. but so expensive…

cheapest is savvy.. but not really like the butt….

but anyway.. hope u guys can advise me on the engine (good/bad/etc.) and any problems with each of those cars…

the other day i was walking and a brand new savvy cruise past me… but the engine noise is so loud!!! maybe that man was a bad driver… dragging at 1st gear.. who knows right?

do write to me at benedict66@time.net.my if u hv advise to give. thanks.

- benny

]]> By: Zoom http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15842 Zoom Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:36:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15842 You guys (with solution) really make Proton looks worst from bad... counter action from Customer themselves...... TOTAL BullS**T You guys (with solution) really make Proton looks worst from bad…

counter action from Customer themselves…… TOTAL BullS**T

]]> By: Jake http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15815 Jake Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:49:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15815 aahhh...abu, i miss the 100th spot... i understand the feelings too, this quality issues....but think positive, resolve the problems....btw, new protons come with 2 years warranty now! aahhh…abu, i miss the 100th spot…

i understand the feelings too, this quality issues….but think positive, resolve the problems….btw, new protons come with 2 years warranty now!

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15785 abu Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:04:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15785 i can understand the satisfaction of ourselves when we go and collect our new cars...but when the time u drive the car back to ur home you start to hear the stupid noise...the frustration will be X2 than your satisfaction of getting your new car. get wat i mean? dun get doesnt matter...juz wanna make it the 100th comment :P i can understand the satisfaction of ourselves when we go and collect our new cars…but when the time u drive the car back to ur home you start to hear the stupid noise…the frustration will be X2 than your satisfaction of getting your new car. get wat i mean?

dun get doesnt matter…juz wanna make it the 100th comment :P

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15783 abu Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:59:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15783 For those who can read chinese, read this article and you will know why love and hate potong: <a href="http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=29&pg=792&ac=536067" rel="nofollow">http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=29&pg=792...</a> For those who can read chinese, read this article and you will know why love and hate potong:

http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=29&pg=792…

]]> By: Chorwin http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15743 Chorwin Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:32:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15743 I do the adjustment of the door hinge myself. You cannot just adjust it to align with the default line, as all door alignment are different. So, what is the best position? Try and error, try to adjust it, and screw it tight a bit, then try open and close several try, if you found it not satisfy, then readjust again until you satisfy. There are some hints here: move the hinge more outside will make the door more easy to close with less push power, but the problem is u will see the door alignment came out from the car body and this may cause some misunderstanding of other that the door not align proprely or not close tight. Move it more inside, however, do solve the unalign surface of the door with the car body, but it will make the door tough to close. So, try to adjust it to the best u feel. I like the design of G2, but I hate the quality, really no quality car. The front bonnet paint crack, and easily peel off by flying stone, so if you notice the G2 car front bonnet carefully, u will find white spot, don't believe me, try find a car that around 2-3 months old and spot the white spot..... Second, body alignment.... all the body parts seem like not manufacture with high quality, high precision shape, will find bigger line, slope......... Third, the interior material........ will find some broke cushion.... everything. What can u do on this, all the salesman will answer u... no perfect car in this world, even u get mercedes also will find this matter. That why, i saw a girl get her new Myvi, and complaint about the car paint not perfect, i understand her complaint. anyway, a car that won't let you broke down on highway, no need go car shop every month that should be ok, this is Ah Q spirit, haha!! I do the adjustment of the door hinge myself. You cannot just adjust it to align with the default line, as all door alignment are different. So, what is the best position? Try and error, try to adjust it, and screw it tight a bit, then try open and close several try, if you found it not satisfy, then readjust again until you satisfy.

There are some hints here:

move the hinge more outside will make the door more easy to close with less push power, but the problem is u will see the door alignment came out from the car body and this may cause some misunderstanding of other that the door not align proprely or not close tight.

Move it more inside, however, do solve the unalign surface of the door with the car body, but it will make the door tough to close.

So, try to adjust it to the best u feel.

I like the design of G2, but I hate the quality, really no quality car. The front bonnet paint crack, and easily peel off by flying stone, so if you notice the G2 car front bonnet carefully, u will find white spot, don't believe me, try find a car that around 2-3 months old and spot the white spot…..

Second, body alignment…. all the body parts seem like not manufacture with high quality, high precision shape, will find bigger line, slope………

Third, the interior material…….. will find some broke cushion…. everything.

What can u do on this, all the salesman will answer u… no perfect car in this world, even u get mercedes also will find this matter.

That why, i saw a girl get her new Myvi, and complaint about the car paint not perfect, i understand her complaint.

anyway, a car that won't let you broke down on highway, no need go car shop every month that should be ok, this is Ah Q spirit, haha!!

]]> By: zongtwi http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15368 zongtwi Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:15:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15368 akari said, September 25, 2005 @ 12:02 am zongtwi tell me why u love proton, u got a good quality proton? or u rich enough to pay any defeat parts due to proton’s low qc? or u fight for ur bowl? I don't love Proton, I have never bought a proton car, I am not rich to pay for defect parts, and I'm not fighting for my bowl. To be honest, I am in a position where I know more about stupid things Proton are doing, and trust me, those things are really stupid and it makes me feel ashamed of being a Malaysian. But at the same time, I also know alot about a few good things Proton are doing, really good things. I really wish I can share these information with everyone, unfortunately I can't. And I realise, hey, there are bad things about Proton (which are really unbelievebly and astonishingly bad!!!) and there are good things about them as well. So like I said, be my guest if you want to bash and criticise Proton because of their lack of quality and QC, mismanagement, or any other stupid things they are doing for that matter. Go ahead. Shout and scream and swear from the top of your lungs all you want. I give my full backing to everyone, because I understand the frustration and disapointment as a Malaysian due to this company. But don't just do it because it is Proton. If another Malaysian National company did a bad thing, criticise them as well. And if(!!) Proton does something good, then give them credit for it. Get what i'm saying? akari said,

September 25, 2005 @ 12:02 am

zongtwi tell me why u love proton, u got a good quality proton? or u rich enough to pay any defeat parts due to proton’s low qc? or u fight for ur bowl?

I don't love Proton, I have never bought a proton car, I am not rich to pay for defect parts, and I'm not fighting for my bowl. To be honest, I am in a position where I know more about stupid things Proton are doing, and trust me, those things are really stupid and it makes me feel ashamed of being a Malaysian. But at the same time, I also know alot about a few good things Proton are doing, really good things. I really wish I can share these information with everyone, unfortunately I can't. And I realise, hey, there are bad things about Proton (which are really unbelievebly and astonishingly bad!!!) and there are good things about them as well. So like I said, be my guest if you want to bash and criticise Proton because of their lack of quality and QC, mismanagement, or any other stupid things they are doing for that matter. Go ahead. Shout and scream and swear from the top of your lungs all you want. I give my full backing to everyone, because I understand the frustration and disapointment as a Malaysian due to this company. But don't just do it because it is Proton. If another Malaysian National company did a bad thing, criticise them as well. And if(!!) Proton does something good, then give them credit for it. Get what i'm saying?

]]> By: Jake http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15341 Jake Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:03:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15341 wow! superb proton satria gti! as always! Paul, off topic ok, my trainee just came back from university, uum, sintok kedah, saying at the u, there’s convo days now and as usual convo’s expo and exhibition. guess what, there’s proton/lotus booth and there’s srm also! but no picture to proof but the trainee (not a car savvy) says very very nice and the roof can be opened(?) Paul, maybe u have kakis or readers in the north who’ve been there snapped some pictures to share with us? anybody? to confirm this? wow! superb proton satria gti! as always!

Paul, off topic ok, my trainee just came back from university, uum, sintok kedah, saying at the u, there’s convo days now and as usual convo’s expo and exhibition. guess what, there’s proton/lotus booth and there’s srm also! but no picture to proof but the trainee (not a car savvy) says very very nice and the roof can be opened(?)

Paul, maybe u have kakis or readers in the north who’ve been there snapped some pictures to share with us? anybody? to confirm this?

]]> By: Johnny Boy http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15327 Johnny Boy Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:49:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15327 Pulun yob pulun........How come class C can tapau class b??? Two race wins and two third outright placings made round six of the Shannons Australian Production Car Championship a good one for the Thrifty Motorsport team at Oran Park last weekend. “What a great weekend for Thrifty Motorsport!” said team owner and driver Allan (Shep) Shephard. “On top of that we take a one-two in Class B, knocking off the class winner for 2005 – and the likely overall champion.” Oran Park showed the strength of running a two car team in the Shannon's Australian Production Car Series, with the both the Toyota Celica of Steve Briffa and the Honda Integra Type R of Shephard working with each other to dominate the class and outright placings in the Handicap races. Beating the class leading Celica of Colin Osborne into third place overall also means Shephard now has a opportunity to finish the year in second place in both outright and Class B. Team owner Shephard also praised the skill of his team-mate Briffa. “In this category, these type of races, and in this car, nobody was going to beat him here this weekend,” Shephard asserted. “We had a great side by side dice for the first half of the last race, until the gearbox in my Thrifty Honda Integra started playing up. We lost some pace then but recovered to repass a couple to finish a very close third behind young Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi). With just two mechanics Jason and Philip to fettle both cars, Shephard was all praiseworthy of the dedication shown by his team. There is quite a break to the final round of the championship which is scheduled for Eastern Creek on December 3-4. RACE ONE RESULT (7 laps) 1 David Ryan (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:39.3628 2 Nick Dunkley (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:48.8214 3 Drew Russell (Honda S2000) Class A 9:49.1441 4 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 9:54.5502 5 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 9:55.1381 6 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:55.9667 7 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 9:58.8541 8 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 9:59.3332 9 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 10:06.8047 10 Phil Alexander (Toyota MR2) Class B 10:06.9972 RACE TWO RESULT (12 laps) 1 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:16.6765 2 Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:31.4144 3 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 17:32.0269 4 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:35.5959 5 Daniel Natoli (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:38.7167 6 Dane Rudolph (Citroen Xsara VTS) Class C 17:42.1940 7 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:43.9680 8 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:44.4763 9 Phil Alexander (Toyota MR2) Class B 17:45.5071 10 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 18:07.4048 RACE THREE RESULT (12 lap) 1 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:26.2843 2 Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:31.5304 3 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 17:32.1904 4 David Ryan (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:34.3749 5 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:36.0032 6 Daniel Natoli (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:37.2593 7 Dane Rudolph (Citroen Xsara VTS) Class C 17:37.6659 8 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:40.1053 9 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 17:43.9131 10 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:44.1530 Pulun yob pulun……..How come class C can tapau class b???

Two race wins and two third outright placings made round six of the Shannons Australian Production Car Championship a good one for the Thrifty Motorsport team at Oran Park last weekend.

“What a great weekend for Thrifty Motorsport!” said team owner and driver Allan (Shep) Shephard. “On top of that we take a one-two in Class B, knocking off the class winner for 2005 – and the likely overall champion.”

Oran Park showed the strength of running a two car team in the Shannon's Australian Production Car Series, with the both the Toyota Celica of Steve Briffa and the Honda Integra Type R of Shephard working with each other to dominate the class and outright placings in the Handicap races.

Beating the class leading Celica of Colin Osborne into third place overall also means Shephard now has a opportunity to finish the year in second place in both outright and Class B.

Team owner Shephard also praised the skill of his team-mate Briffa. “In this category, these type of races, and in this car, nobody was going to beat him here this weekend,” Shephard asserted.

“We had a great side by side dice for the first half of the last race, until the gearbox in my Thrifty Honda Integra started playing up. We lost some pace then but recovered to repass a couple to finish a very close third behind young Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi).

With just two mechanics Jason and Philip to fettle both cars, Shephard was all praiseworthy of the dedication shown by his team.

There is quite a break to the final round of the championship which is scheduled for Eastern Creek on December 3-4.

RACE ONE RESULT (7 laps)

1 David Ryan (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:39.3628

2 Nick Dunkley (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:48.8214

3 Drew Russell (Honda S2000) Class A 9:49.1441

4 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 9:54.5502

5 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 9:55.1381

6 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 9:55.9667

7 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 9:58.8541

8 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 9:59.3332

9 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 10:06.8047

10 Phil Alexander (Toyota MR2) Class B 10:06.9972

RACE TWO RESULT (12 laps)

1 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:16.6765

2 Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:31.4144

3 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 17:32.0269

4 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:35.5959

5 Daniel Natoli (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:38.7167

6 Dane Rudolph (Citroen Xsara VTS) Class C 17:42.1940

7 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:43.9680

8 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:44.4763

9 Phil Alexander (Toyota MR2) Class B 17:45.5071

10 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 18:07.4048

RACE THREE RESULT (12 lap)

1 Steve Briffa (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:26.2843

2 Leigh Mertens (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:31.5304

3 Allan Shephard (Honda Integra Type R) Class B 17:32.1904

4 David Ryan (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:34.3749

5 Colin Osborne (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:36.0032

6 Daniel Natoli (Proton Satria GTi) Class C 17:37.2593

7 Dane Rudolph (Citroen Xsara VTS) Class C 17:37.6659

8 Trevor Keene (Toyota Celica) Class B 17:40.1053

9 John Houlder (Ford Falcon XR8) Class A 17:43.9131

10 Veijo Phillips (Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo) Class A 17:44.1530

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15310 abu Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:50:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15310 cw said, September 25, 2005 @ 11:19 pm why some of the people like proton & some didn’t, why always same people bashing PROTON, I really curios about this type of situation. R they really PROTON owner? ---> Well i agreed that NOT ALL of them are proton owners but majority is. Or they have been seeing those 'tragedy' suffered by their relatives or friends. I owned a wira at 1995 and until today, these wira owners is still suffering the problem i suffered 10 years ago....was there any improvement? you name it... cw said,

September 25, 2005 @ 11:19 pm

why some of the people like proton & some didn’t, why always same people bashing PROTON, I really curios about this type of situation. R they really PROTON owner?

—> Well i agreed that NOT ALL of them are proton owners but majority is. Or they have been seeing those 'tragedy' suffered by their relatives or friends. I owned a wira at 1995 and until today, these wira owners is still suffering the problem i suffered 10 years ago….was there any improvement? you name it…

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15309 abu Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:37:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15309 cw we are looking forward and everytime potong launched new model (except this sawi) and u can see there were 'packed' in booking and long queue in getting their cars...wat did that showed u? we not supportive??? my man..at the end it was potong who bashed all these good works and destroyed their own image by delivered >50% of defective cars. i can recalled my fren collected his waja and need to drive back to service centre in 1 weeks time due to the clock not 'functioning'..after thats fixed, the next day air-cond not working..then the classic 'power' windows case...he sold the car in just 1/2 years time and made a loss of 10k. There onwards he has not buying any potong cars anymore and i do pity him on that...but was tat his fault for turning his interest to jap or europe cars??? that pretty much leave something for all of us to think of. cw we are looking forward and everytime potong launched new model (except this sawi) and u can see there were 'packed' in booking and long queue in getting their cars…wat did that showed u? we not supportive??? my man..at the end it was potong who bashed all these good works and destroyed their own image by delivered >50% of defective cars. i can recalled my fren collected his waja and need to drive back to service centre in 1 weeks time due to the clock not 'functioning'..after thats fixed, the next day air-cond not working..then the classic 'power' windows case…he sold the car in just 1/2 years time and made a loss of 10k. There onwards he has not buying any potong cars anymore and i do pity him on that…but was tat his fault for turning his interest to jap or europe cars??? that pretty much leave something for all of us to think of.

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15307 abu Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15307 FiveElements said, September 25, 2005 @ 1:14 pm Kanasai, Totally agree with you!!!! ZONGTW , let me just ask you one question, If you go to MAKAN at a restoran and the food taste like shit, are you going to complain??? Are you going to MAKAN there again? I mean the food tasted like shit for twenty years! Are you going to try eating there again, giving them chance as the owner is MALAYSIAN??? ---> My man you like to use food as a comparison...neverthless i love that and it makes me hungry faster :P FiveElements said,

September 25, 2005 @ 1:14 pm

Kanasai,

Totally agree with you!!!! ZONGTW , let me just ask you one question,

If you go to MAKAN at a restoran and the food taste like shit, are you going to complain??? Are you going to MAKAN there again? I mean the food tasted like shit for twenty years! Are you going to try eating there again, giving them chance as the owner is MALAYSIAN???

—> My man you like to use food as a comparison…neverthless i love that and it makes me hungry faster :P

]]> By: Kanasai http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15280 Kanasai Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15280 cw.. up to now, i never hear of people like proton. most of us like Honda or Toyota, some BMW or higher class of cars. and even some are going for cheve, huyndai, produa and etc... people who own proton will tell me, 'no choice, is the best car within my budget' then later they tell me, 'shit!! y new car got this sound and that sound?my next car will not be proton!!'. UNTIL PROTON PROVE, and i mean PROVE TO US THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN PRODUA, then there will be no bashing about proton and in fact, most of us will praise proton for it's good work.until then, pls stop asking us to be fair. cause i believe we, the malaysian public is sooo fair to proton for 20 years and still we are fair up to now.(Proton's protection) so is this fair? cw.. up to now, i never hear of people like proton. most of us like Honda or Toyota, some BMW or higher class of cars. and even some are going for cheve, huyndai, produa and etc… people who own proton will tell me, 'no choice, is the best car within my budget' then later they tell me, 'shit!! y new car got this sound and that sound?my next car will not be proton!!'. UNTIL PROTON PROVE, and i mean PROVE TO US THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN PRODUA, then there will be no bashing about proton and in fact, most of us will praise proton for it's good work.until then, pls stop asking us to be fair. cause i believe we, the malaysian public is sooo fair to proton for 20 years and still we are fair up to now.(Proton's protection) so is this fair?

]]> By: cw http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15277 cw Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:19:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15277 why some of the people like proton & some didn't, why always same people bashing PROTON, I really curios about this type of situation. R they really PROTON owner? I alway can fid the solution in SC, why some can't. Forget the wira or iswara, pls experience the latest; don't keep repeat the old story, it will mad us sad & not real. Today some faced door problem, but the other came to complain; I really wish to listen to the real PROTON owner come to tell; but not the gunner. why some of the people like proton & some didn't, why always same people bashing PROTON, I really curios about this type of situation. R they really PROTON owner? I alway can fid the solution in SC, why some can't. Forget the wira or iswara, pls experience the latest; don't keep repeat the old story, it will mad us sad & not real. Today some faced door problem, but the other came to complain; I really wish to listen to the real PROTON owner come to tell; but not the gunner.

]]> By: Quest http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15271 Quest Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:00:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15271 I hate Proton forum seems to be a bad idea. Paul's right, you can go to any forums in the internet, whenever Proton's involved, Proton bashing is the main theme. I don't see any Perodua bashing, sure there are a few but definitely Proton bashers totally out-number the rest. Of course all cars will have some production problems, some QC problems and quality problems. I'm sure if you googled hard enough, you'll find some people complaining about Mercs and Beemers. However, Proton seems to have so much problems that WHOLE BATCHES can roll out with so many problems, that's you'll need 10 more forums just to cater Proton bashers' satiety to bash Proton. Do you think Proton cares? After 20 years, we're still buying Protons as all other cars are made to price out of range, does Proton care to improve? Do they NEED TO? Sure, some people here SWEARS that Savvi's quality "REALLY GOOD" blah blah, "should be fair" when bashing Protons, but hey, you don't see anyone here starting a bash Perodua thread here right? EVERYONE here who gave negative comments about Protons have had negative or extremely negative experience in their Proton. There's nothing unfair. I hate Proton forum seems to be a bad idea. Paul's right, you can go to any forums in the internet, whenever Proton's involved, Proton bashing is the main theme.

I don't see any Perodua bashing, sure there are a few but definitely Proton bashers totally out-number the rest. Of course all cars will have some production problems, some QC problems and quality problems. I'm sure if you googled hard enough, you'll find some people complaining about Mercs and Beemers.

However, Proton seems to have so much problems that WHOLE BATCHES can roll out with so many problems, that's you'll need 10 more forums just to cater Proton bashers' satiety to bash Proton. Do you think Proton cares? After 20 years, we're still buying Protons as all other cars are made to price out of range, does Proton care to improve? Do they NEED TO?

Sure, some people here SWEARS that Savvi's quality "REALLY GOOD" blah blah, "should be fair" when bashing Protons, but hey, you don't see anyone here starting a bash Perodua thread here right? EVERYONE here who gave negative comments about Protons have had negative or extremely negative experience in their Proton. There's nothing unfair.

]]> By: akari http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15268 akari Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:59:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15268 oh yea last friday my wira make me almost bump into nando's penang batu ferrengi while i doing tree-point-turn, it suddenly rush infront while my step is ready for brake, what the heck, this is last few month for me to be proton driver since i have order other car d, now i start thinking that still long time i still gotta place my life on a car that it's manufacturer cant screw well... oh yea last friday my wira make me almost bump into nando's penang batu ferrengi while i doing tree-point-turn, it suddenly rush infront while my step is ready for brake, what the heck, this is last few month for me to be proton driver since i have order other car d, now i start thinking that still long time i still gotta place my life on a car that it's manufacturer cant screw well…

]]> By: akari http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15265 akari Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:47:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15265 I know he is fair but he can protect proton until scold people "kanasai" this is what i surprise, as a proton customer, i wont just sit there quietly n eat the shit proton indirectly force me to buy it, the screw follow line QC problems i believe my kid can done better than him through that never happen on my proton, but that's not the only 1 shit proton used to give ppls. While proton is running by government and contains racially issue, he himself is a failure. I know he is fair but he can protect proton until scold people "kanasai" this is what i surprise, as a proton customer, i wont just sit there quietly n eat the shit proton indirectly force me to buy it, the screw follow line QC problems i believe my kid can done better than him through that never happen on my proton, but that's not the only 1 shit proton used to give ppls. While proton is running by government and contains racially issue, he himself is a failure.

]]> By: Paul http://paultan.org/2005/09/22/how-to-solve-proton-gen2-door-problem/#comment-15260 Paul Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:10:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=447#comment-15260 There is a Proton phenomenon here where every blog post will slowly turn into a Proton bashing slugfest. There is a Proton phenomenon here where every blog post will slowly turn into a Proton bashing slugfest.

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