TIPTRONIC=AUTO TRANSMISSION. no different than what you get in a proton auto, or myvvi auto, or..etc.

You shouldn't be referring to tiptronic as though it is different than auto.

"remember nissan?" did nissans problems have anything to do with implementing an AMT gearbox in their cars?

Considering that your comments are based on society and economy, you seem to suggest that the autogearbox is the only gearbox a car manufacturer should use for the "mass market".

What I meant in my post was , the AMT platform is doomed , unless it is switched with Tiptronic FOR THE MASS MARKET. So don't go complaining about Ferrari's bla bla system . The mass market is something Proton can't deal with properly and will continue to haunt them for so long they will never forget. Remember Nissan? That's a GREAT example.

I don't really study automobiles and technology , nor am I a engineering student. Therefore all my comments are done in an way that I am always referring to the society and economy while commenting , Sorry if that caused any confusion.

ok ka…..??? saya suda test semua ini kereta……sama macam Savvy AMT juga………

The topic we're supposed to be discussing here is on the poor execution of this type of gear system on the smart. Not about auto box, not tiptronic, but a system like the selespeed, BMW's SMG, that's Sequential Manual Gearbox, and other similar systems on the Ferrari, Lambo Murcielago, Aston Martin Vanquish, etc.

One thing that is strange , if Savvy is gonna have an AMT like this Smart does , I can guarantee you that it's not going to beat the Myvi in terms of sales . No freaking way. However if AMT was changed to Tiptronic then maybe it will have some chance. I just don't feel AMT going our way , People (well at least I am) are more willing to stick with Clutched Manuals , because of the fun factor and the usefulness of the clutch in playing with the revs or gears , and because you won't fall back on a slope with a full-manual or full-auto. Unless you didn't learn how to do it at your driving school.

Point here is , people tend to think that AMT is in fact Tiptronic, Which allows for constant throttling , as opposed to AMT which is in fact a Manual transmission , albeit without the clutch. And I think it's a really bad idea coz a clutch allows manual cars to perform what auto cars can't. (eg. Wheelspin).

My opinion : Either get a full-auto w/ tiptronic for fun + comfort or just get a pure manual for fun and power. And in the middle , the AMT…I got a hunch it won't be good.

It's nice to have something dedicated to me, even if I have to share the limelight with edw. How sweet of you.

This statement in your generously dedicated posting was of particular interest to me:

"if you have to lift your godamn foot off the throttle each time you wait for the car to switch gears for you, might as well get a manual transmission, right?"

It made me think about abbreviations. Abbreviations, which are not to be confused with acronyms, involve taking the first letter of each word in a multi-word term and using that as a short form for the term itself. A good (and pertinent) example would be AMT, which stands for Automated (or Automatic) Manual Transmission. Since the 'M' in 'AMT' stands for manual, though, surely people who buy AMTs can't be said to be better off with manuals (whether or not they have to lift their foot off the throtte), since, well, they already own manuals. Pedantic, maybe, but linguistic inaccuracies are the veil of many a charlatan.

Another interesting abbreviation is CMT, or Clutchless Manual Transmission, which is slightly inaccurate because it refers to the clutch pedal as the clutch, making it seem as though the transmission has no clutch when in fact what it lacks is a clutch pedal. Hence when you say

"if you have to lift your godamn foot off the throttle each time you wait for the car to switch gears for you, might as well get a manual transmission, right?"

you are basically saying: 'if you have to lift your foot, which by the way has had a curse placed upon it by a supreme omnipotent creator deity, off the pedal everytime you get the car to operate the clutch for you, then you might as well buy a manual where you operate the clutch pedal yourself. Because it's all the same. Right?

I see my fallacy, now. Because I was thinking all along that people bought AMTs so they wouldn't have to operate the clutch pedal, but now I see that they buy them so that they don't have to take their foot off the accellerator when they shift gears. It's got nothing to do with the silly clutch pedal or people's left feet. Those engineers who laboured to remove clutch pedals from manual transmission were not labouring to remove clutch pedals, but in fact to remove the need to lift off the accellerator during an upshift. It's all as clear as day now.

Since, however, many AMTs actually require you to ease off the throttle when upshifting, we can safely condemn all AMTs as being the same as manuals and therefore of no worth whatsoever. Right?

Plus, while doing so, we can use a few naughty words on people and their feet and walk around feeling real good about ourselves for the rest of the day. Woo-hoo.

Anyways, we know that the car cannot corner to save it's own life as proven in Top Gear's Top 3 worst handling cars review which featured 3)Toyota Prius, 2)Perodua Kenari, 1)Guess what (Smart City Car). The Kenari drift was the highlight of the show. "Fantastic, Oversteer and Understeer in one small package here". James May

This all boils down to a matter of driver preference, but in my humble opinion, no car should ever have to force the driver to re-think their approach to driving when all it's meant to do is to ferry passengers from one intercity stop to another. Again, don't just make the assumption that I don't know how it is to appreciate clutchless manuals. I've had the priviledge of driving cars with better thought mechanics, and for RM101K, it can't afford to be this brash, particularly when it's in the company of cheaper Jap, Korean, and Malaysian alternatives.

you guys dont get the point do you?

if you have to lift your godamn foot off the throttle each time you wait for the car to switch gears for you, might as well get a manual transmission, right?

whether or not you lift your foot off the throttle or not, the lag is still there. lifting your foot off the throttle only makes the pag seem like its not happeneing, cause you are involved in the action of lifting up your stupid foot, instead of holding down on the throttle and waiting for gears to switch.

dont read between the lines you morons, you only make malaysians look stupid.

That said, no AMT system is even close to as good as VAG's DSG. That thing is just a total revelation, and frankly I can't wait for Porsche's Doppel Kuplung system to be released.

Well hearing this , I am a bit scared to drive an AMT. But is tiptronic AMT also? But I heard tiptronic can be switched to full auto mode too , right?

This Automated Manual Transmission is not for everyone, if the writer wants a full auto, go get another unit, leave this car and the comment to himself.

It is like asking a Manual Gear lover to comment on Auto Gear car, or Auto Gear lover to comment on Manual Gear. PLUS any new car we get in, it takes a little while to get use to.

Just for example the signal light in the Waja, if one is so so used to Japanese car, when you first get into one Waja, it is like "rugby player sitting behind you" too.

Automated Manual Transmission is for people who want a manual car, but are tired of the clutch. People who want total control of the gear instead of the car computer making the selection. No matter have advance the computer chip can come up to, it will never be the same as the driver making the gear selection based on his driving and road ahead.

Savvy, it will have his lover for this kind of Automated Manual Transmission

the tiptronic sounds fun at first until this review