I am sure gov will do something to protect local car makers.

There govt can help out in r&d cost, for example. But its up to proton get soft skills like management skills, improved customer service, quality management, cost reduction in processes, reduced waste, make sure proton employee is not tidak-apa, etc. No NAP can help. In fact, NAP will make things worse as proton will hide behind it. There is no motivation to improve if there is no competition.

NAP won't help. How do you think the car industry in Japan, Europe, USA improved? With their own NAP? No. Its called a free-market. If you're bad, you're either out of the market or bought over by someone else. That's how you improve.

at less there know who there r for them self who just (simply say migrant la) in this word that come out . so this people is like indon who dont no a thing only there know is eat people thinking of mind, there only know eat n shit nothing more. there dont no nothing, who that help in term of our country to go up in the first place before now, this people sud go off not us.

last thing and the vital part.

Price of car drop or no drop will not benefit proton anyway. Why. The current high car price is because of excise duty (levied on all cars whether local or import) not import duty.

Hence, proton is compete is already competing equal ground (except import duty). The govt might plan other incentives but this will get negative reaction from thai, indo, filipine who also have car industry. They also want malaysia market share.

The G protecting proton will only result one fine day that the three countries above to just isolate Malaysia from the Afta not in car but all industries.

To them, it is easy to say you are protecting your lucrative car market then why should we be open on our market to you which you have benefits.

Our government can no longer protect our car industry. Any beyond 2008 will get their negative reaction or we have to compensate them.

to make it easy, we study again about handphone. 5 years back, will you buy samsung handphone? ppl willsay aiya….korean brand lousy lah. Nokia, motorola good, european brand, class.

What do samsung do, give you good services, warranty, good design.

Now, samsung rule the handphone as much as nokia. Samsung model now also in the high price.

Do you still complain that it is korean brand and not european?

As usual to BRAND is how you market to gain ppl confidence. it is not just say that you are made it Japan. After all, Vios is not make in Japan but Thailand and for ASEAN market only. PPl buy it not because it is Japan made, ppl buy because it is TOYOTA. The brand create a image that it is good quality.

Did you know that Avanza by toyota suppose to be Perodua car but somehow was put under toyota brand (dont know what sort of agreement was involve).

initially it came out , ppl rush to buy it because it is toyota. selling like hot cake that time. Later ppl find the car is not to be so fantastic (as it is really not toyota quality car) and its sales drop.

This shows what? Avanza is toyota but it lost its shine after buyer feel the car is not up its standard of the brand.

Conclusion. Brand is important to kick sales. But lived up to the brand (quality) is the way to sustain sales.

and note: Proton have none of both.

Savy my first 'lotus'

lotus fine tune

lotus design.

Even proton themselves are using the lotus nrabd to boost their image. why?

they themselves also do not have the confident in thier own brand and you expect buyer will?

So why Myvi win so much booking until the factory bust its capacity?

think again

REASON. it is not brand only…….

We have given Proton 20 years to prove themselves, we have tolerate them 20 years of bad services, we have being suffer overall high car price to 'own' them. We suffer bad QC. Bad Taste of design.

This create the mass 'hate' sydrome toward them. Are we proud of Proton? if they have done well, they will not be such an image to the public. If they have done well, i dont mine buying them than Japanese but they are not even match to the rest of the other japanese brand, or even Korean..

Why ppl like toyota is not because it is japanese, it is because it is reliable. Why not much ppl comment on other japanese brand as much as toyota. ask yourself again.

Why nowaday, ppl jump to imported car even they are still commanding higher price and result proton to lose market share is basically ppl are fed up with them TOO MUCH. Even Proton is losing to Perodua is market share. Nobody complain perodua, everyone hop to myvi. why? quality is the key.

BTW, i dont ask the two firms to close BUT i asking them to open up, selling stake to foreigner and boost domestic competition and hopefully to compete EXPORT market (Thailand is already there and we still dreaming). How long do we still need to protect them? another 5 years, 10 years? It is only a matter of sooner or later. Might as well admit it earlier we made a mistake and get on with it. Dont drag the whole country for just the damn pride.

if Proton have given quality build car, good services (not dreaming that the economy will be forever close and being protected like a BIG BABY) way before AFTA or talk of AFTA such as early 2000's , ppl might have respect them and still consider them. Now AFTA is just around the corner and they still refuse to wake and change. Dont talk about QC. Talk just about bad warranty services is still there to this very day.

Just look at Korean car. Less than 5 years establishment in Malaysia and they are already releasing almost par car price to Japan. And ppl do accept it. Ask yourself why? 15 years back, nobody accept korean car Worldwide and they are now threatening Japanese made market.

Five years ago, you might even ask yourself, why hyundai, cheap car…not as worthly as Japanese. why want to buy.

Brand is how you PROVE to people, not by being IMPOSED on (using the BUATAN MALAYSIA motto).

as i said again and again, 'jaga rumahtangga kita dulu!'…if we already the richest in the world, then so be it, open our border, no tax on cars, buy ferrari for your kid to go to school!

but, the reality is, we have people in our country who eat once a day, maybe less, yet because of tax on imported cars, we want to burn the whole country!

i started to feel as if i am a buta huruf being played around by our policy makers with powerful words … being pulled on my tail like a bull for many very big rounds, not once but over and over again… bull also gets tired la .. not mentioning human beings… and dont know what it really is going on… why change the policy when the price still the same.. think about the poor citizen as the end user la.. (smoke steaming from my ears….)

anyway i am just going to drive a junk car till i got extra money for luxury car..

someone please take over my myvi booking, ready next month, no extra charges. 0122640930.

What I wrote was the normal situation that everyone feels the G needs to change in everyday life. It's a comical banter that if you want to raise the issue of car pricing, a lot of other issue will follow suit which is more important than the car pricing itself.

As it is, GGG, you acknowledged that closing Proton/Perodua will not do justice to the economy if we follow suit what Tun DrM suggested. Thanks for explaining it to the mass the consequences of such act. And thanks for rebuting the 'what if' that I commented earlier – eventhough the idea of legalising ayam can be far fetched in a Muslim country.

The point of the matter is typical of us Asians, when we're asked to step up – the answer will always be 99% – No. This is the root of the problem, Asians tends to be passive & brand conscious. We have to have what the neighbour or friends have. Your wife/peers/friends will always influence your decision making process.

Let's just say, will you buy a Proton if it has the same quality as the Toyota or any car with a Made in Japan stamp of approval? I don't think so. What will your friend say nanti

Scenario 1 : "Proton Gen2! kenapa kau tak beli Toyota Vios? Bukannya harga sama. Proton tak ada standardlah babe" then again you have to explain your choice of car.

Scenario 2 : "Hey man, what car you're driving nowaday. A kancil? why don't you go for the Smart car, its more stylish and its German built."

So GGG, reducing the car prices is not the answer as this will contradict your statement regarding Proton/Perodua closure. If Toyota is cheaper or with the same pricing bracket (example), knowing Asians/Malaysians that believe in Made in Japan products, Toyota will be selling their cars like hot cakes and Proton and Perodua demands will be lower. With lower demand, then what will happen – 123, kindly answer as you're the economic master. This will not only effect Proton's factory, what will happen to the vendors and suppliers?

I'll agree with Dog the Wan that improving the quality (all product) is the answer but how to change the mindset of the Malaysians? Not easy as Tun DrM took 20 years, pak lah will at least need another 10 years.

Japanese is paying the same amounts of money nearly to 10 years ago, but the car that they get is much better styling and engineering design plus high technologies features. Engine performance, crash performance, Navigator system, Safety feature and ABS, ASC ……etc…..just easy comparison the price is almost the same as WAJA.

I don't mind paying RM60k and I don't hope the price will be dropped soon, but the features and performance should be nearly to RM60k and above. Same amount RM60k and keep for 10 years but the product must be valued for money.

Malaysia is the only country I know where cars that are 20 years old are still in production and that is still selling at a high price. Do you think car companies in general are going to drop price once a new model is out?

First of all, i not interest to be in politic or be politicians.

Nevertheless, i will still try to tell you what wrong with your suggestion. haha.

First, Close down Proton or perodua will not help the market as who is to cushion the 300,000 people job loss (which i doubt involve so much ppl). It is the management should be change not closing the factory down. Selling a substantial share to VW is a good idea. Perodua is doing fine from my view, it is Proton that mess up. Let foreigner run the proton car factory so at least it will bring export sales.

Tax will not be reduce as Malaysia has the one of the lowest tax sysem in the world. It is the spending of the govtment should be look at. Instead of building things that do not generate income FOR THE MOMENT (such as putrajaya, twin tower, Bakun Dam and etc), they should focus more invest it things that bring benefits faster such as building a disneyland (like HK), find ways to increase the tourist attraction (it doesn't mean 'chicken', ADAN) for each major towns. What is the point of building so much school, Uni and have a lot graduates when you dont create the market to absorb them. This is what is happening. For that matter, all these schools need operation cost.

As for road tax, i think it should not be abolish but free for small cars and increase the road tax for big car (except commercial) to tax luxury driver. Especially gas guzzler car such as your dream car., Adan. This is to reduce overall nation fuel consumption. Rokok will go up every years as usual but beers can go down. People can kick rokok habit but not drinking as it is social life. Take that away, you will create more social unrest. What do you expect ppl to relax? you cant expect all ppl are the same can stay home , watch TV, or reading.

Road toll should not be abolish but since i am not affected (in sarawak), i can only say that maybe it should be adjust to a more comfortable level. One major thing should be improve is to builty road DO LAST not crappy roads that after two years and keep having problem such as pot hole and whatsoever. Tourism like prostitution might not be a bad idea, will to be honest it is not as far as to get tourism. Legalise prostitute is good idea at least keep a watch on the activity like singapore with geyland. After all, no matter how you control , there still exist in the 'black market'. Legalise might bring price down and ppl that DO GO can access to it cheaper. If you ban prostitution, it will only lead to more rape cases. It you take a statistic trend, you can see that might go together type.

sack 1/2 G staff immediately will not help as who is to cushion their job?. The G staff should be made to be efficient in each departments. Salary will be based on private market BUT so should assessment on increasement and bonus. Additonal staff of each department should be relocate to other department. More staff in G servants will only result lower wages if more 30% are inefficient. Just look at Singapore G servant service. Fix minimum income is a tought act as it depend first on the mentaility of worker. To be honest, i dont think that it will help because majority Malays (NOT ALL) are still wanting the easy way out. The 5% service tax will be replace by GST, so no need to look into that. But i can only say that the govt should adjust other taxes once GST implement or it will really a burden tax.

As for singapore, we should increase raw water price (but not at unreasonable level), and built our own treatment plant to for johor. Why always 'shooting' at singapore. How many malaysian working in singapore which end of the day bringing money back to Malaysia. Johor state economy is rely on Singapore tourists. How came malaysia ever replace singapore in port service. Singapore can turn one huge container ship in three days which Malaysia port takes at least one weeks. Why shipper chose singapore instead of malaysia (for your info, Singapre charges way much higher in port charges than malaysia), because of time which means money.

i dont mean that cheap car solve everything. i actually tallking more than just cars. Just that car is easier as an example. Car is only ONE of the example. Gettit., Adan

Ist Agenda when you're in office. Close down Proton/Perodua/Modenas as you don't want to be blamed for protecting these inferior companies later on. Reduce the price for CKD and CBU cars but make sure you pakai Toyota and not a Mercedes Benz or other imported brand as nanti rakyat marah, can't use Proton as closed down already. (Sure all the people loves you when you implement this especially the yuppies).

Basically minimal income from here and I for my self want a 1967 Shelby Mustang 350GT and for that matter, pls reduce the Road tax as well yeah. Buat apa bayar Road Tax when the roads memang macam sial. Lubang sini lubang sana. Income Tax pun you jangan ubah, if possible I don't want to pay tax like the happy people of Brunei. Oh at the same time, do not reduce the budget for Petrol as I'm using a monster of a gas guzzler and TOLONG jangan naik harga rokok lagi. (More than two terms for Prime Ministerlah you macam nie).

To improve our tourism macam Thailand, make sure you tutup sebelah mata regarding prostitution and adult entertainment. Then only those perverted orang putih will come running to Malaysia and spend their money. Ask Mr Samy to step down as well and abolish all Toll, the road works tak payah maintain. Biar jalan berlubang-lubang janji boleh jalan. Forget about your 17" rims.

Sack 1/2 half of the G staffs since we can't pay their salary anymore and automate where possible. No more seeing their ugly mug and get rejected to other counters for not having the proper documentation. Close down several Kementerian/Jabatan and take that responsibility on your own. You hold all the cards. Fix a minimum salary of RM1000.00 for all companies in Malaysia, even for tukang sapu so that to reduce the unemployment rate and make sure they can buy a Toyota. Oh last one, kasi cancel that 5% G tax for dining out. Orang makan pun mau tax. Itu restoran untung biarlah dia untung. Kalau nak untung bukak restoran sendiri.

As for Singapore, make sure to increase the price of water so that they will drink their own treated water. Let them drink their own piss. Open an international airport in Johor as well as improve the two ports in Pasir Gudang and Tanjung Pelepas. Let's see whether they can maintain their income that way.

Susah kan kalau jadi the Main G and to satisfy all the 20 Million Malaysians..Just imagine the other 19 999 999 people's needs and wants, not all the people wants cheaper cars..Gettit!!

Bumi get priority is already like night and day. As long as we live in Malaysia we have to face it. if want cheap car fast solution is move to brunei (only like 10 hrs drive i think) or labuan ( i heard honda accord 50K there, wtf).

i agree the G need to make some big changes since we all want to live a comfortable life. Who is satisfied after they have bought a Proton? youd rather want a Honda or Toyota right?

Even so at that price the quality like crap and the only thing that separate Proton from other foreign make is the TAX? How do people feel if they just spend the majority of their income on an inferior product, at the same price (less tax) of a japanese car?

How can we reach vision 2020 if we are surpassed by countries like thailand? The only difference between them and us right now is different G POLICY. we got the infrastructure and a substantial source of labour, given the right steps we will not lose to them.

living standards, economy rise, ppl will be happy

Think about this : even if we reach vision 2020 will it really be vision 2020 given that other countries (that used to be inferior in economic terms to us) has reached their vision? why realise the Malaysian dream 15 yrs from now when you can do it now? will we be satisfied in 2020? will even some of us live to see it?

the G will not take chances, it will continue to do the things it has done in the past, since it has never proven them wrong. However this is 2005, and Malaysia in 2005 is not Malaysia in 1985 or 1975, and these methods will not be applicable NOW or the FUTURE.

The people are discontent, unless you drive a BMW 5 series, live in banglow and can move to Australia anytime with your 3 kids which all got master degree from prestigous university and nice job different lar. they are ppl who got limited spending power and we all want good value for our $$$, not for some "national dignity".

im satisfied with the new NAP because it symbolizes change and i hope the G will gradually continue to implement new methods in which to ease our suffering and burden on unneccessary taxes to protect a mediocre automobile manufacturer.

i dont know if anyone DIDNT catch mahathir's sarcastic comment, because what he said is quite appropriate, as is with his tone. It's his brain child, so should be refer to Proton as his legacy? Its a shame really, and even Dr M doesnt want to associate himself with it.

what was once a personification of his ego turned into a national dissapointment and a utter failture. Im sure the 300,000 are humble, tax-paying citizens but shit happens.but this shit is not a result of coincidence ( u know what i mean).

wnt to preserve Proton? Malaysia Boleh? All aboard the Ego Train, Fuck the rest!

"my car broke down, and i still got installments to pay…" sound familiar eh

I think G is doing it best to stright up things here…

Have you ever make wrong decisions?

We make right and wrong decisions throughout life. It's how we overcome from wrong to right.

really disappointed……. let's count we still left how many year life to see their show…

LONG LIVE GGG!

Where R U from?? Guess from Kedah!! Rights!

YAU MO KAU……CHOU!!

why hard feeling….we all have different views and opinios as we are people…not machine. If eveyone think alike then we are just a bunch of machine.

Good, now you sounds normal.

Good speech tough..

Let the big shot clean up their mess and

we do our part using the ballot box, ok?

Haha, no hard feelings ya…