Comments on: Proton to buy Passat and Sharan platforms http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:29:05 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Proton shares drop http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-50862 Proton shares drop Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:25:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-50862 [...] Traders was worried by the announcement that Proton was interested in buying two Volkswagen platforms to rush out the production of 2 new cars to curb falling sales. They said it made no sense for Proton to buy the platforms since they were heading for a technical collaboration or stake transfer in the first place. This implicated the collaboration might not happen. [...] [...] Traders was worried by the announcement that Proton was interested in buying two Volkswagen platforms to rush out the production of 2 new cars to curb falling sales. They said it made no sense for Proton to buy the platforms since they were heading for a technical collaboration or stake transfer in the first place. This implicated the collaboration might not happen. [...]

]]> By: b4nd3r http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-47240 b4nd3r Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:10:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-47240 Wow ... if the new perdana is going have the same platform as VW Passat & Audi A4 .. it would be a good news. But how about this : http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/03/perdana_replacement_model.php Wow … if the new perdana is going have the same platform as VW Passat & Audi A4 .. it would be a good news. But how about this :

http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/03/perdana_replacement_model.php

]]> By: Perdana Replacement Model in April 2007 » http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-42427 Perdana Replacement Model in April 2007 » Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:14:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-42427 [...] During the days of the Proton-Volkswagen partnership talks, it was said that the Perdana Replacement Model was going to be based on a stretched wheelbase Volkswagen Passat platform. Proton had originally wanted to buy the Passat and Sharan platforms for a new Perdana and an MPV model respectively. There was even an artist’s impression on what the Passat Perdana would look like. Of course, that never materialised. [...] [...] During the days of the Proton-Volkswagen partnership talks, it was said that the Perdana Replacement Model was going to be based on a stretched wheelbase Volkswagen Passat platform. Proton had originally wanted to buy the Passat and Sharan platforms for a new Perdana and an MPV model respectively. There was even an artist’s impression on what the Passat Perdana would look like. Of course, that never materialised. [...]

]]> By: goingberserk http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-39593 goingberserk Thu, 25 May 2006 09:08:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-39593 Tuning_professional.... If want to give P1 a lifeline .it is ur choice. I dont care. But u said "Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajin takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi." which means u r a bloody hyprocrite... It is our damn rights to voice our frustration, not you for your comment. Then u said u r hardworking, then why the damn u are posting at this website ? U are talking carp ! Tuning_professional…. If want to give P1 a lifeline .it is ur choice. I dont care. But u said
“Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajin takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi.” which means u r a bloody hyprocrite…

It is our damn rights to voice our frustration, not you for your comment. Then u said u r hardworking, then why the damn u are posting at this website ? U are talking carp !

]]> By: Proton might enter SUV and MPV market » http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-39464 Proton might enter SUV and MPV market » Wed, 24 May 2006 07:11:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-39464 [...] Some interesting facts - Peugeot and Mitsubishi has a joint venture SUV program. The Peugeot 4007 is actually a re-engineered Mitsubishi Outlander. As for the MPV, it was previously rumoured that Proton would be developing an MPV based on the Volkswagen Sharan. That’s a large MPV, not a small one like the Toyota Avanza. [...] [...] Some interesting facts – Peugeot and Mitsubishi has a joint venture SUV program. The Peugeot 4007 is actually a re-engineered Mitsubishi Outlander. As for the MPV, it was previously rumoured that Proton would be developing an MPV based on the Volkswagen Sharan. That’s a large MPV, not a small one like the Toyota Avanza. [...]

]]> By: dinobros http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-36777 dinobros Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:46:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-36777 no offence to anyone or "potong" in this instant... actually although facts seem to state that the new perdana will not be 100% rebadged old passat or even the new passat... personally i think its not such a bad thing to be a complete rebadged of even the old passat... the design of the old passat dun look dated to me anyway the quality and features are all up market and comfortable... if u were to choose between a potong fabia (rebadged skoda fabia) and a gen2 which would u prefer? i would choose the potong fabia althogh the fabia itself is based on the mk 4 vw golf. what say u? thus if its a complete rebadged even of the old passat.. i would say its a good buy given that its sold at a reasonable potong price (which i dun think it will be). no offence to anyone or “potong” in this instant… actually although facts seem to state that the new perdana will not be 100% rebadged old passat or even the new passat…

personally i think its not such a bad thing to be a complete rebadged of even the old passat… the design of the old passat dun look dated to me anyway the quality and features are all up market and comfortable…

if u were to choose between a potong fabia (rebadged skoda fabia) and a gen2 which would u prefer? i would choose the potong fabia althogh the fabia itself is based on the mk 4 vw golf. what say u?

thus if its a complete rebadged even of the old passat.. i would say its a good buy given that its sold at a reasonable potong price (which i dun think it will be).

]]> By: Volkswagen appoints AutoStadt as sole importer » http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-33485 Volkswagen appoints AutoStadt as sole importer » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:53:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-33485 [...] Over the next two years, Volkswagen will introduce a total of 9 models beginning with the lower end models like the Volkswagen Fox and the Volkswagen Polo. As time goes on, the more premium models like the Beetle, Golf GTI, Passat and the Sharan MPVs will be brought in. These will be CBU models, which means fully imported as a whole. In 2008/2009, Volkswagen will begin assembling CKD kits here in Malaysia with a local partner which was not revealed, or unknown. [...] [...] Over the next two years, Volkswagen will introduce a total of 9 models beginning with the lower end models like the Volkswagen Fox and the Volkswagen Polo. As time goes on, the more premium models like the Beetle, Golf GTI, Passat and the Sharan MPVs will be brought in. These will be CBU models, which means fully imported as a whole. In 2008/2009, Volkswagen will begin assembling CKD kits here in Malaysia with a local partner which was not revealed, or unknown. [...]

]]> By: vhtan http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-26376 vhtan Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:01:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-26376 what Tuning_Professional said is true also, let's give Proton another 20 years to fix the power window problem. Malaysia Boleh! what Tuning_Professional said is true also,
let’s give Proton another 20 years to fix the power window problem.

Malaysia Boleh!

]]> By: Tuning_Professional http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-22089 Tuning_Professional Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:09:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-22089 Dear everyone in here (the one going against Proton), stop forcing Proton to close or else, you’re the one who end up ‘closed.’ Let Proton be Proton. No fool can become a graduate in 3 seconds. If you have the money, you can buy what you want, even a factory! Proton have enough money, no wonder they can buy the Passat and Sharan platforms. Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajin takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi. Jadi sedarlah sikit korang semua asal dari mana. Proton tu bukan syarikat korang, dunia ni ciptaan Tuhan, tapi korang tunjuk sombong korang. BETTER STOP OR YOU’RE THE ONE WHO’S GONNA BE SORRY. Dear everyone in here (the one going against Proton), stop forcing Proton to close or else, you’re the one who end up ‘closed.’ Let Proton be Proton. No fool can become a graduate in 3 seconds. If you have the money, you can buy what you want, even a factory! Proton have enough money, no wonder they can buy the Passat and Sharan platforms. Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajin takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi.

Jadi sedarlah sikit korang semua asal dari mana. Proton tu bukan syarikat korang, dunia ni ciptaan Tuhan, tapi korang tunjuk sombong korang.

BETTER STOP OR YOU’RE THE ONE WHO’S GONNA BE SORRY.

]]> By: Tuning_Professional http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-22088 Tuning_Professional Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:09:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-22088 Dear everyone in here (the one going against Proton), stop forcing Proton to close or else, you're the one who end up 'closed.' Let Proton be Proton. No fool can become a graduate in 3 seconds. If you have the money, you can buy what you want, even a factory! Proton have enough money, no wonder they can buy the Passat and Sharan platforms. Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajing takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi. Jadi sedarlah sikit korang semua asal dari mana. Proton tu bukan syarikat korang, dunia ni ciptaan Tuhan, tapi korang tunjuk sombong korang. BETTER STOP OR YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S GONNA BE SORRY. Dear everyone in here (the one going against Proton), stop forcing Proton to close or else, you’re the one who end up ‘closed.’ Let Proton be Proton. No fool can become a graduate in 3 seconds. If you have the money, you can buy what you want, even a factory! Proton have enough money, no wonder they can buy the Passat and Sharan platforms. Orang malas suka buang masa dengan menggunakan Internet untuk mengutuk, menghina dan memfitnah syarikat kereta Malaysia, Orang rajing takkan buat semua benda terkutuk macam saya sebut tadi.

Jadi sedarlah sikit korang semua asal dari mana. Proton tu bukan syarikat korang, dunia ni ciptaan Tuhan, tapi korang tunjuk sombong korang.

BETTER STOP OR YOU’RE THE ONE WHO’S GONNA BE SORRY.

]]> By: @ bong http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-21721 @ bong Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:26:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-21721 i think cristising is good. i makes proton to be more careful. we are not like Us, where the citizen can voice up freely. it think through proper "discussion" like these, at least some people who are involve are more reliase and careful of their contribution either to proton, or any other malaysian economy growth. only time can tell and show to us the result. in the mean time jsut do what u think is right. some people support, some people against it. that's the balance of nature anyway.... keep it up!!! i think cristising is good. i makes proton to be more careful. we are not like Us, where the citizen can voice up freely. it think through proper “discussion” like these, at least some people who are involve are more reliase and careful of their contribution either to proton, or any other malaysian economy growth. only time can tell and show to us the result. in the mean time jsut do what u think is right. some people support, some people against it. that’s the balance of nature anyway…. keep it up!!!

]]> By: see fat http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-21025 see fat Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:08:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-21025 yeah abu in the end, only a few well-connected people and cronies got filthy rich....who what tenku mahaleel cares if he lost his job? he is still got filthy rich at OPUR EXPENSE, THE RAKYAT'S HARD-EARNED MONEY'S EXPENSE ..i used to support mahathir....many of his decisions were right, but unfortunately he turned into a mad dictator and fullfill his fantasies by indulging in ventures that turned out to waste taxpayers money....and not just millions, BUT BILLIONS OF RINGGITS!!...think of it if the government uses these crazy amount to fix potholes (which kills), choked bloked drains , help the poor blablabla...but no, apparently the local councillors ALSO JUST SITS DOWN AND GET FILTHY RICH by issuing unnnecessary projects and makan duit kopi while the poor rakyat's complaints fall on deaf years...REMEMBER THE ACCIDENT IN KEDAH WHERE A POOR GIRL/CARS DROWNED JUST BECOZ THE LOCAL COUNCILLORS TURNED A DEAF YEAR TO PUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON THE JUNCTION FOR DECADES? NOT MONTHS, OR EVEN YEARS, BUT DECADES!! AFTER the fatal accident, the father remarked "olang sudah mati baru mau mali...dudlu kite komplain bayang pun talak nampak...ini lagi datang the brand-new suv..mana dia olang dapat duit utk bili? malaysia is dying becoz of these blood-sukkers yeah abu in the end, only a few well-connected people and cronies got filthy rich….who what tenku mahaleel cares if he lost his job? he is still got filthy rich at OPUR EXPENSE, THE RAKYAT’S HARD-EARNED MONEY’S EXPENSE ..i used to support mahathir….many of his decisions were right, but unfortunately he turned into a mad dictator and fullfill his fantasies by indulging in ventures that turned out to waste taxpayers money….and not just millions, BUT BILLIONS OF RINGGITS!!…think of it if the government uses these crazy amount to fix potholes (which kills), choked bloked drains , help the poor blablabla…but no, apparently the local councillors ALSO JUST SITS DOWN AND GET FILTHY RICH by issuing unnnecessary projects and makan duit kopi while the poor rakyat’s complaints fall on deaf years…REMEMBER THE ACCIDENT IN KEDAH WHERE A POOR GIRL/CARS DROWNED JUST BECOZ THE LOCAL COUNCILLORS TURNED A DEAF YEAR TO PUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON THE JUNCTION FOR DECADES? NOT MONTHS, OR EVEN YEARS, BUT DECADES!!

AFTER the fatal accident, the father remarked “olang sudah mati baru mau mali…dudlu kite komplain bayang pun talak nampak…ini lagi datang the brand-new suv..mana dia olang dapat duit utk bili?

malaysia is dying becoz of these blood-sukkers

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20997 abu Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:55:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20997 Geez honda_driver, I read part of the but not all...well its too bitter to accept these fact but yet none of them actually wrong. Besides the optimistic price of the cars which i am oso dream of :P Geez honda_driver, I read part of the but not all…well its too bitter to accept these fact but yet none of them actually wrong. Besides the optimistic price of the cars which i am oso dream of :P

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20994 abu Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:52:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20994 nuzzary said, October 26, 2005 @ 12:20 pm think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON.. ---> We din kill it, we Malaysian have been supportin POTONG too much (no choice) and at the end what it proved to us? Well its not WE who kill POTONG, its those ppl who 'dig' the wealth by doing all those hanky-panky will KILL POTONG. and I have no surprise if it close shop...too many thing to be found under the magic carpet nuzzary said,
October 26, 2005 @ 12:20 pm

think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON..

—> We din kill it, we Malaysian have been supportin POTONG too much (no choice) and at the end what it proved to us? Well its not WE who kill POTONG, its those ppl who ‘dig’ the wealth by doing all those hanky-panky will KILL POTONG. and I have no surprise if it close shop…too many thing to be found under the magic carpet

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20984 honda_driver Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:17:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20984 abu, if you bothered to read what others have posted, you might have a rough idea why. abu, if you bothered to read what others have posted, you might have a rough idea why.

]]> By: abu http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20978 abu Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:57:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20978 Bryan said, October 25, 2005 @ 4:00 am I wonder why POTONG always taking others manufacture design!!! ----> No choice Bryan...our designer can only design something like ar...Sawi...or even better Juara ~~~ is tat wat u wanna see on the road? yuckssss Bryan said,
October 25, 2005 @ 4:00 am

I wonder why POTONG always taking others manufacture design!!!

—-> No choice Bryan…our designer can only design something like ar…Sawi…or even better Juara ~~~ is tat wat u wanna see on the road? yuckssss

]]> By: see fat http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20970 see fat Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:07:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20970 think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON.. ...by nurzhari no...we didnt "kill" potong...potong committed hala-kili on themselves... : p think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON..
…by nurzhari

no…we didnt “kill” potong…potong committed hala-kili on themselves… : p

]]> By: nuzzary http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20958 nuzzary Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:20:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20958 this is what happened when people get so used to rebadge items (Perodua, naza, inokom, early proton).. rebadge is cheap.. you dont have to design, test & invest to much.. Proton now is doing their own from scratch and people just kept saying rebadge item is far more better.. dont we want to see PROTON as a car manufacturer not just some rebadge company like PERODUA that in my opinion will never ever try to create any car of their own.. Proton still learning maa.. now since the CEO gone.. proton people are going backwards (buying platform) just because of the opinion of some malaysian that their selfmake car are not good enough.. think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON.. this is what happened when people get so used to rebadge items (Perodua, naza, inokom, early proton).. rebadge is cheap.. you dont have to design, test & invest to much..
Proton now is doing their own from scratch and people just kept saying rebadge item is far more better.. dont we want to see PROTON as a car manufacturer not just some rebadge company like PERODUA that in my opinion will never ever try to create any car of their own..
Proton still learning maa.. now since the CEO gone.. proton people are going backwards (buying platform) just because of the opinion of some malaysian that their selfmake car are not good enough..

think about it.. By not giving any support, Its killing PROTON..

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20945 honda_driver Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:34:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20945 Swee: "the Iswara DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT BE 30K++, IMO, i cannot beleive people want to pay for that…" people pay for it because they can't afford any other cars. There is no shame in that. Whatever decisions the govt made to put our auto industry in the position it is today, doesnt change the fact that people still have to go on living. seefatt: you made a lot of claims there on why you think proton isnt a manufacturer. any hard facts to back it up? i'm only asking because i'm interested to know. because your comments seem to contradict every single thing i've read about proton from financial publications, to motoring and technical publications. zongtwi: well said, interesting comments and facts that you've put forward there. Swee:
“the Iswara DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT BE 30K++, IMO, i cannot beleive people want to pay for that…”

people pay for it because they can’t afford any other cars. There is no shame in that. Whatever decisions the govt made to put our auto industry in the position it is today, doesnt change the fact that people still have to go on living.

seefatt:
you made a lot of claims there on why you think proton isnt a manufacturer. any hard facts to back it up? i’m only asking because i’m interested to know. because your comments seem to contradict every single thing i’ve read about proton from financial publications, to motoring and technical publications.

zongtwi:
well said, interesting comments and facts that you’ve put forward there.

]]> By: superman http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20934 superman Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:16:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20934 zongtwi said, October 25, 2005 @ 7:48 am Hold up, I think I’ve made a mistake about the names of the platforms used by VW and Audi. The new Passat definitely uses an extended version of VW Golf MK5 platform, and the new Audi A4 uses an extended version of the previous Passat platform. What each platform is called I’m not so sure anymore. zongtwi, Good points on your posts. Your're correct on the platform names . Current VW platform names have 2 alphabets and 2 numbers. I can't remember either but the new Golfs plaform has a "45" in it. zongtwi said,
October 25, 2005 @ 7:48 am

Hold up, I think I’ve made a mistake about the names of the platforms used by VW and Audi. The new Passat definitely uses an extended version of VW Golf MK5 platform, and the new Audi A4 uses an extended version of the previous Passat platform. What each platform is called I’m not so sure anymore.

zongtwi,

Good points on your posts. Your’re correct on the platform names . Current VW platform names have 2 alphabets and 2 numbers. I can’t remember either but the new Golfs plaform has a “45″ in it.

]]> By: superman http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20933 superman Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:10:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20933 Ihateproton, You truly are misguide. Toyota doesn't sell 6 million cars from 8 platforms la. They have:- one citycar platform (shared with PSA Group), One platform for K car ( Paso/Boon Myvi)- Toyota owns Daihatsu owns part of perodua. One Small Car platform ( Yaris/Vios/Vitz) Altis/Corolla (small/medium saloon/hatch) medium/large FF saloon( Camry) Saloon - Small FR (Lexus IS) Saloon -Medium FR (Lexus GS) Saloon - Large FR Small size MPV (Wish) Medium/Large MPV (Estima) 4WD Chassis Too many to type here Ihateproton,

You truly are misguide. Toyota doesn’t sell 6 million cars from 8 platforms la.
They have:-
one citycar platform (shared with PSA Group),
One platform for K car ( Paso/Boon Myvi)- Toyota owns Daihatsu owns part of perodua.
One Small Car platform ( Yaris/Vios/Vitz)
Altis/Corolla (small/medium saloon/hatch)
medium/large FF saloon( Camry)
Saloon – Small FR (Lexus IS)
Saloon -Medium FR (Lexus GS)
Saloon – Large FR
Small size MPV (Wish)
Medium/Large MPV (Estima)
4WD Chassis Too many to type here

]]> By: eCUN http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20920 eCUN Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:25:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20920 Whatever... Whatever…

]]> By: eMalaysian http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20872 eMalaysian Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:10:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20872 Yes guys. We should give proton chance to improve. 20 years not enough. They need at least 20 more years. By that time, hopefully they will phase out the iswara. Yes guys. We should give proton chance to improve. 20 years not enough. They need at least 20 more years. By that time, hopefully they will phase out the iswara.

]]> By: see fat http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20744 see fat Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:25:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20744 no no no u dudes r misunderstanding us...especially zongtwi (or whatever)...we do not choose to bash and thrash potong, but it was potong who smear shiit into their own faces...as i've said, the older VW platform, although looks exciting when launched (basic shape copied by infiniti/nissan of north america/kia spectra), the shape just dosent look sporty as the current (albeit very old) mitsubishi eterna platform....and one more thing: potong is actually deceiving the rakyat about their capabilities to "create a car from scratch" when the so-called "campro" engine is actually related to mistsubishi...and so far all their lousy models, inc the potong sawi, uses some other foreign manufacturers's engines...SO WHERE IS THE SO-CALLED "WE R THE ONLY 11 NATION ON EARTH WHO CAN DESIGN AND MAKE A CAR FROM SCRATCH?" what a joke no no no u dudes r misunderstanding us…especially zongtwi (or whatever)…we do not choose to bash and thrash potong, but it was potong who smear shiit into their own faces…as i’ve said, the older VW platform, although looks exciting when launched (basic shape copied by infiniti/nissan of north america/kia spectra), the shape just dosent look sporty as the current (albeit very old) mitsubishi eterna platform….and one more thing: potong is actually deceiving the rakyat about their capabilities to “create a car from scratch” when the so-called “campro” engine is actually related to mistsubishi…and so far all their lousy models, inc the potong sawi, uses some other foreign manufacturers’s engines…SO WHERE IS THE SO-CALLED “WE R THE ONLY 11 NATION ON EARTH WHO CAN DESIGN AND MAKE A CAR FROM SCRATCH?”

what a joke

]]> By: jx http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20656 jx Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:50:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20656 zongtwi : first i have to tell you i agree 100% with you. All the bashers please STOP bashing proton. Have any of you actually gone in a VW sharan. I have. It may not look nice in the pic but it does look okay when you see the real thing ( about same size as hyundai trajet ). Why dont you all look at it as proton is coming up with an MPV to challenge the avanza and innova. Give them a chance. It may be good. Please try to look at it possitively. And by the way how many of you have problems with your protons? Just curious to know. Because all my three protons ( 1 wira (A) year 2002 and 2 waja (A) year 2003 and 2005 ) have not given me any problems. Maybe i am just lucky. ps. I get proton ORIGINAL spare parts for half the price ( I am not kidding and i will happy to tell anyone who asks me where to get the parts ). zongtwi : first i have to tell you i agree 100% with you.
All the bashers please STOP bashing proton. Have any of you actually gone in a VW sharan. I have. It may not look nice in the pic but it does look okay when you see the real thing ( about same size as hyundai trajet ). Why dont you all look at it as proton is coming up with an MPV to challenge the avanza and innova. Give them a chance. It may be good. Please try to look at it possitively. And by the way how many of you have problems with your protons? Just curious to know. Because all my three protons ( 1 wira (A) year 2002 and 2 waja (A) year 2003 and 2005 ) have not given me any problems. Maybe i am just lucky.

ps. I get proton ORIGINAL spare parts for half the price ( I am not kidding and i will happy to tell anyone who asks me where to get the parts ).

]]> By: Leila http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20646 Leila Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:13:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20646 Proton should give up and just sell everything to VW. Open up the local car market so we can buy better quality cars without being gouged. Proton should give up and just sell everything to VW. Open up the local car market so we can buy better quality cars without being gouged.

]]> By: eMalaysian http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20642 eMalaysian Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:58:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20642 Wow! Buying the VW platform is good. Later proton will have a VW platform, campro engine, lotus timing, saga paint job, citron design, japaneese production system, german certification, malaysian management and proton lulus. What a winning combination. I am very proud to contribute my tax to make proton a success. You all agree or not? Wow! Buying the VW platform is good.

Later proton will have a VW platform, campro engine, lotus timing, saga paint job, citron design, japaneese production system, german certification, malaysian management and proton lulus. What a winning combination.

I am very proud to contribute my tax to make proton a success.

You all agree or not?

]]> By: zongtwi http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20528 zongtwi Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:48:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20528 Hold up, I think I've made a mistake about the names of the platforms used by VW and Audi. The new Passat definitely uses an extended version of VW Golf MK5 platform, and the new Audi A4 uses an extended version of the previous Passat platform. What each platform is called I'm not so sure anymore. Hold up, I think I’ve made a mistake about the names of the platforms used by VW and Audi. The new Passat definitely uses an extended version of VW Golf MK5 platform, and the new Audi A4 uses an extended version of the previous Passat platform. What each platform is called I’m not so sure anymore.

]]> By: zongtwi http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20525 zongtwi Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:14:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20525 Sometimes I wonder whether people who leave their comments even care to read what other people have said before. For any of you who cares to check, the new passat uses an extended version of the new VW golf platform (called B7 platform). Suprising, isn't it? The old Passat shared platforms with the 2002 Audi A4 (called B5 platform). The new Audi A4 is an extended version of the B5 platform (called B6 platform). http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14138-1686286,00.html http://www.vwvortex.com I don't see any reason why Proton should not use the old Passat's B5 platform. If Audi feels that the platform is good enough to be used for their current cars (albeit extended versions), why do we Malaysians suddenly gets so pissed off with the news that Proton wants to use it as well? Are we all experts? Are we all just talking out of our arses? Or are we just having a common case of 'rebadge'-aphobia? Once and for all, sharing platforms is not the same as rebadging. Come on everyone, follow me now..."Sharing platforms...not rebadging!" One more time..."Sharing platforms...not rebadging!" And again. "Sharing platforms...not rebadging". VW, Audi sells like millions of cars each year. They can afford to develop new platforms, or even develop extended versions of their current platforms. Proton are struggling to sell 500,000 cars a year. It makes complete sense for Proton to use a SLIGHTLY outdated platform to reduce costs. People get angry when Proton car's prices are high and quality is very low. But when Proton plans something to try and reduce development costs people scream and shout at them. Crazy or not? Sometimes I wonder whether people who leave their comments even care to read what other people have said before.

For any of you who cares to check, the new passat uses an extended version of the new VW golf platform (called B7 platform). Suprising, isn’t it? The old Passat shared platforms with the 2002 Audi A4 (called B5 platform). The new Audi A4 is an extended version of the B5 platform (called B6 platform).

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14138-1686286,00.html
http://www.vwvortex.com

I don’t see any reason why Proton should not use the old Passat’s B5 platform. If Audi feels that the platform is good enough to be used for their current cars (albeit extended versions), why do we Malaysians suddenly gets so pissed off with the news that Proton wants to use it as well? Are we all experts? Are we all just talking out of our arses? Or are we just having a common case of ‘rebadge’-aphobia? Once and for all, sharing platforms is not the same as rebadging. Come on everyone, follow me now…”Sharing platforms…not rebadging!” One more time…”Sharing platforms…not rebadging!” And again. “Sharing platforms…not rebadging”.

VW, Audi sells like millions of cars each year. They can afford to develop new platforms, or even develop extended versions of their current platforms. Proton are struggling to sell 500,000 cars a year. It makes complete sense for Proton to use a SLIGHTLY outdated platform to reduce costs. People get angry when Proton car’s prices are high and quality is very low. But when Proton plans something to try and reduce development costs people scream and shout at them. Crazy or not?

]]> By: Bryan http://paultan.org/2005/10/24/proton-to-buy-passat-and-sharan-platforms/#comment-20518 Bryan Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:00:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=556#comment-20518 I wonder why POTONG always taking others manufacture design!!! Both of the car are SUX!!! By taking things that ppl already throw inside the drill for a long long time and reproduced it... What a stupid idea... I wonder why POTONG always taking others manufacture design!!! Both of the car are SUX!!! By taking things that ppl already throw inside the drill for a long long time and reproduced it… What a stupid idea…

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