Comments on: Sime Darby’s NAP plans http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:38:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: New national car this Tuesday? http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-46572 New national car this Tuesday? Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:09:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-46572 [...] Sime Darby has previously expressed interest in assembling the Hyundai Getz locally within the next 12 months in October last year when it unveiled it’s NAP plans. It is already assembling the Hyundai Matrix and the Hyundai Atos locally with Inokom badges. [...] [...] Sime Darby has previously expressed interest in assembling the Hyundai Getz locally within the next 12 months in October last year when it unveiled it’s NAP plans. It is already assembling the Hyundai Matrix and the Hyundai Atos locally with Inokom badges. [...]

]]> By: Are we looking at a CKD Getz on Tuesday? http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-46569 Are we looking at a CKD Getz on Tuesday? Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:58:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-46569 [...] Sime Darby has previously expressed interest in assembling the Hyundai Getz locally within the next 12 months in October last year when it unveiled it’s NAP plans. It is already assembling the Hyundai Matrix and the Hyundai Atos locally with Inokom badges. [...] [...] Sime Darby has previously expressed interest in assembling the Hyundai Getz locally within the next 12 months in October last year when it unveiled it’s NAP plans. It is already assembling the Hyundai Matrix and the Hyundai Atos locally with Inokom badges. [...]

]]> By: Habib http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-29863 Habib Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:10:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-29863 Why are cars so expensive when half the nation is living in poverty?? Only the strong survive, screw all the weaklings and let them burn in hell. In its article titled “The Mahathir Mystique”, Newsweek, (23 November 2003) terms Malaysia as an Asian success story where “the percentage of Malaysian households that fall below the poverty line has plunged from nearly 50 per cent to an estimated 6 per cent in 2000.” The figures quoted by Newsweek are lifted from Mahathir’s 2004 budget speech in Parliament on 12 September 2003. From the horses’ mouth as they say — but unfortunately some horses have learnt to bluff! The poverty line Generally speaking, the poverty rate can be lowered by two methods. The first is by raising the income of the poorer families to above the poverty line. The second method, and undoubtedly the easier option, is to lower the poverty line itself! Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school? Malaysian household income distribution as quoted in the Eighth Malaysia Plan is pictured in Table 1 — with 75 per cent of Malaysian households earning below RM3,000 per month and 25 per cent of households earning below RM1,000 monthly. The same document (8MP) also specifies the poverty line for Semenanjung Malaysia as RM540 per month for a family of five individuals. Is this a realistic figure? A living wage? Table 1 - Household Income (RM/month) More than RM5,000 9.8% RM4,001 - RM5,000 5.5% RM3,001 - RM4,000 9.6% RM2,001 - RM3,000 17.4% RM1,001 - RM2,000 32.7% RM501 - RM1,001 20.0% Less than RM500 5.0% Source: Eighth Malaysia Plan. Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school? Yet given the government’s definition, they would not be classified as being poor. At a meeting with 60 factory workers in Sg Siput recently, we asked them to suggest a reasonable household budget, and the outcome of that exercise is summarized in Table 2. The participants felt that the cost of buying a house and a small allocation for savings must be part of a balanced family budget. In their opinion, any family with a household budget of below RM1,750 would be facing economic hardship; A realistic poverty line Table 2 - Household Expenditure (per month) House Loan 400 Marketing 300 Groceries 300 School expenses 200 Motorbike 150 Medical/Clothes 100 Festivals/Trips 100 Light/Water/Phone 100 Insurance/savings 100 Total RM1,750 In Britain and in several other countries in the European Union, the poverty line is defined as one half the average household income. In Malaysia, the average household income is RM3,200 per month. Half this figure would be RM1,600. In other words if we used the definition used in Britain, households earning less than RM1,600 per month would be considered as poor! If RM1,600 per month is taken as the realistic poverty line, then around 50 per cent of Malaysians are poor — see the Income Pyramid overleaf — and this is the level of poverty as quoted by Mahathir for 1970! No one is denying that there has been significant growth in the national economy. Per capita income (Per capita income = total income of the nation for that year divided by the population) has soared from RM1,132 in 1970 to RM13,683 presently! (Incidently, this would work out to an average household income of RM5,534 per month.) However as the income distribution pyramid depicts, the distribution of income in Malaysia is skewed towards the rich, and there is still significant poverty in Malaysia. Perhaps the most incredulous aspect of Malaysia’s poverty statistics is that it hasn’t been challenged by the mainstream media nor by the academicians. Big Brother’s doublespeak (term used by Orwell in his book 1984) apparently rules supreme in Malaysia today! Why are cars so expensive when half the nation is living in poverty??

Only the strong survive, screw all the weaklings and let them burn in hell.

In its article titled “The Mahathir Mystique”, Newsweek, (23 November 2003) terms Malaysia as an Asian success story where “the percentage of Malaysian households that fall below the poverty line has plunged from nearly 50 per cent to an estimated 6 per cent in 2000.” The figures quoted by Newsweek are lifted from Mahathir’s 2004 budget speech in Parliament on 12 September 2003. From the horses’ mouth as they say — but unfortunately some horses have learnt to bluff!

The poverty line

Generally speaking, the poverty rate can be lowered by two methods. The first is by raising the income of the poorer families to above the poverty line. The second method, and undoubtedly the easier option, is to lower the poverty line itself!

Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school?

Malaysian household income distribution as quoted in the Eighth Malaysia Plan is pictured in Table 1 — with 75 per cent of Malaysian households earning below RM3,000 per month and 25 per cent of households earning below RM1,000 monthly. The same document (8MP) also specifies the poverty line for Semenanjung Malaysia as RM540 per month for a family of five individuals. Is this a realistic figure?

A living wage?

Table 1 – Household Income (RM/month)

More than RM5,000 9.8%

RM4,001 – RM5,000 5.5%

RM3,001 – RM4,000 9.6%

RM2,001 – RM3,000 17.4%

RM1,001 – RM2,000 32.7%

RM501 – RM1,001 20.0%

Less than RM500 5.0%

Source: Eighth Malaysia Plan.

Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school? Yet given the government’s definition, they would not be classified as being poor.

At a meeting with 60 factory workers in Sg Siput recently, we asked them to suggest a reasonable household budget, and the outcome of that exercise is summarized in Table 2. The participants felt that the cost of buying a house and a small allocation for savings must be part of a balanced family budget. In their opinion, any family with a household budget of below RM1,750 would be facing economic hardship;

A realistic poverty line

Table 2 – Household Expenditure (per month)

House Loan 400

Marketing 300

Groceries 300

School expenses 200

Motorbike 150

Medical/Clothes 100

Festivals/Trips 100

Light/Water/Phone 100

Insurance/savings 100

Total RM1,750

In Britain and in several other countries in the European Union, the poverty line is defined as one half the average household income. In Malaysia, the average household income is RM3,200 per month. Half this figure would be RM1,600. In other words if we used the definition used in Britain, households earning less than RM1,600 per month would be considered as poor! If RM1,600 per month is taken as the realistic poverty line, then around 50 per cent of Malaysians are poor — see the Income Pyramid overleaf — and this is the level of poverty as quoted by Mahathir for 1970!

No one is denying that there has been significant growth in the national economy. Per capita income (Per capita income = total income of the nation for that year divided by the population) has soared from RM1,132 in 1970 to RM13,683 presently! (Incidently, this would work out to an average household income of RM5,534 per month.) However as the income distribution pyramid depicts, the distribution of income in Malaysia is skewed towards the rich, and there is still significant poverty in Malaysia.

Perhaps the most incredulous aspect of Malaysia’s poverty statistics is that it hasn’t been challenged by the mainstream media nor by the academicians. Big Brother’s doublespeak (term used by Orwell in his book 1984) apparently rules supreme in Malaysia today!

]]> By: WHAT DA FAK http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21813 WHAT DA FAK Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:30:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21813 heheheheh...... heheheheh……

]]> By: Selvenz http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21335 Selvenz Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:20:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21335 Bro I will give you AUD200k can you get me a bungalow in Sydney.....Cmon man. I know our country has high prices for cars, houses and other stuff and our salary systems does not match the high prices.......but get your facts right, no way can you get a bungalow for AUD200k in sydney... !!!!!!!! its in the region of 1-Million AUD dollars or above....cause house prices there are very high. By the way i own a condo in South sydney which cost me AUD290k 3 years ago...... Bro I will give you AUD200k can you get me a bungalow in Sydney…..Cmon man. I know our country has high prices for cars, houses and other stuff and our salary systems does not match the high prices…….but get your facts right, no way can you get a bungalow for AUD200k in sydney…

!!!!!!!! its in the region of 1-Million AUD dollars or above….cause house prices there are very high. By the way i own a condo in South sydney which cost me AUD290k 3 years ago……

]]> By: MAt tOUGH http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21309 MAt tOUGH Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:53:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21309 Hi friends out there, I've stayed in Australia-2 years, France-2 years, Sweden-1 year, Finland-1 year and Germany-1 year under company assignments. What can I recall is that, cost of living in M'sia is sucks. The most important thing in live is house and transport (car). Just imagine with RM200k in M'sia, I can just only get a typical Double Storey 20ft x 70ft whereas in Australia with AUD200k (apple-to-apple comparison - without currency conversion), I can get a double-storey Bungalows for land size of typically 80ft x 80ft right in big town like Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide etc. Huh..don't talk about car la...brother. Yet everyday, we all have been supple by the annoying remark from the G, that Malaysia terkenal seluruh dunia, kita ada Bangunan tertinggi di dunia bukan satu tapi dua, kita ada F1, KLIA adalah diantara Airport yg terbaik didunia (but in reality can't even beat Bangkok Airport air traffic). In actual, one particular example in 2002, when I was in Penang for short assignment, I've encountered one miserable incident in Hospital BM, there is one poor Indian lady (who cannot afford for Private Hospital, I guess) giving birth on the floor because the bed was full in the Maternity Section. This is very sad for a country who is self proclaimed as terkenal dan maju in the Millenium Century. For this, I would like to convey my deepest sympathy for those who has being the victim of the Mega Project during the Proton Adviser era, and for those teachers and G servants who took 10 years loan just to buy Proton Iswara but after 1-2 years of use, the dashboard start bergegar, tombol pembuka pintu patah, bush engine keras and many other tiny miny little annoying problem that Proton should have been made known before but yet being able to rectify it at all. Best example is the 15 years Wira glove box that till today there is still a gap that can be visualise by our naked eyes. For the Teachers and G servants, I pity for you guys since RM400-RM500 per month for you Proton Iswara was meant a lot of money for you...pity...pity..pity !! Zalim betul Proton and the current G. Hi friends out there, I've stayed in Australia-2 years, France-2 years, Sweden-1 year, Finland-1 year and Germany-1 year under company assignments. What can I recall is that, cost of living in M'sia is sucks.

The most important thing in live is house and transport (car). Just imagine with RM200k in M'sia, I can just only get a typical Double Storey 20ft x 70ft whereas in Australia with AUD200k (apple-to-apple comparison – without currency conversion), I can get a double-storey Bungalows for land size of typically 80ft x 80ft right in big town like Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide etc.

Huh..don't talk about car la…brother. Yet everyday, we all have been supple by the annoying remark from the G, that Malaysia terkenal seluruh dunia, kita ada Bangunan tertinggi di dunia bukan satu tapi dua, kita ada F1, KLIA adalah diantara Airport yg terbaik didunia (but in reality can't even beat Bangkok Airport air traffic).

In actual, one particular example in 2002, when I was in Penang for short assignment, I've encountered one miserable incident in Hospital BM, there is one poor Indian lady (who cannot afford for Private Hospital, I guess) giving birth on the floor because the bed was full in the Maternity Section. This is very sad for a country who is self proclaimed as terkenal dan maju in the Millenium Century.

For this, I would like to convey my deepest sympathy for those who has being the victim of the Mega Project during the Proton Adviser era, and for those teachers and G servants who took 10 years loan just to buy Proton Iswara but after 1-2 years of use, the dashboard start bergegar, tombol pembuka pintu patah, bush engine keras and many other tiny miny little annoying problem that Proton should have been made known before but yet being able to rectify it at all. Best example is the 15 years Wira glove box that till today there is still a gap that can be visualise by our naked eyes.

For the Teachers and G servants, I pity for you guys since RM400-RM500 per month for you Proton Iswara was meant a lot of money for you…pity…pity..pity !! Zalim betul Proton and the current G.

]]> By: jared http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21298 jared Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:46:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21298 Rainbow7j, Pardon me but you missed a big point here. Other than car prices, owning and using cars in Malaysia is cheap. If the government sorts out the car prices then Malaysia will be one of the best places to live. Insurance is calculated based on risks, not location Road tax, petrol consumption, parking and tolls are all normalized to Malaysian standard, i.e. what we pay now is based on what we can afford derived from our standard of living. Your point that in Germany costs of owning a car is higher is somewhat inaccurate, because you must factor in how much salary the locals there take home. A simple but grossly accurate calculation is to take the average monthly income, and minus from it costs of maintaining/owning a car including hire-purchase costs. So, if you make RM2000 monthly and is planning to buy a Waja which is an entry level car by European standard, at least 1/3 of your salary is gone. Please qualify your statement by stating the monthly income of average Germans and costs of maintaining/owning a car so that we can see a clear picture. The argument that we should not compare to developed nations is absurd because Malaysia is 15 years away from being a “developed” nation. For your info, in the United States 13 years AGO, an average police officer made USD24000 annually and a base model Honda Civic 1.6 cost USD15000. So go figure where we stand now. Thanks. Rainbow7j,

Pardon me but you missed a big point here. Other than car prices, owning and using cars in Malaysia is cheap. If the government sorts out the car prices then Malaysia will be one of the best places to live.

Insurance is calculated based on risks, not location

Road tax, petrol consumption, parking and tolls are all normalized to Malaysian standard, i.e. what we pay now is based on what we can afford derived from our standard of living.

Your point that in Germany costs of owning a car is higher is somewhat inaccurate, because you must factor in how much salary the locals there take home.

A simple but grossly accurate calculation is to take the average monthly income, and minus from it costs of maintaining/owning a car including hire-purchase costs.

So, if you make RM2000 monthly and is planning to buy a Waja which is an entry level car by European standard, at least 1/3 of your salary is gone.

Please qualify your statement by stating the monthly income of average Germans and costs of maintaining/owning a car so that we can see a clear picture.

The argument that we should not compare to developed nations is absurd because Malaysia is 15 years away from being a “developed” nation.

For your info, in the United States 13 years AGO, an average police officer made USD24000 annually and a base model Honda Civic 1.6 cost USD15000. So go figure where we stand now. Thanks.

]]> By: rainbow7j http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21293 rainbow7j Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:20:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21293 I dont agree with the calculation method of the car price overseas compare to here. In US and western Europe, the car price is lower than here, but the price of the insurance, road tax, petrol consumption, parking, tol, all these add up to be hell a lot more higher than here. I studied in Germany before, and I did a calculation on getting a car there before, the car price is not so much of an issue but the cost of maintaining the vehicle is daunting. In a nutshell, actually it all make sense as here in Malaysia, car is more expensive but when you used it on road more it doesn't cost so much compare to overseas, especially in europe, perhaps not the case in US where gas price is lower......... on the other hand, you get to own a car easier in europe but the more you use it the costly it gets.... I dont agree with the calculation method of the car price overseas compare to here.

In US and western Europe, the car price is lower than here, but the price of the insurance, road tax, petrol consumption, parking, tol, all these add up to be hell a lot more higher than here.

I studied in Germany before, and I did a calculation on getting a car there before, the car price is not so much of an issue but the cost of maintaining the vehicle is daunting.

In a nutshell, actually it all make sense as here in Malaysia, car is more expensive but when you used it on road more it doesn't cost so much compare to overseas, especially in europe, perhaps not the case in US where gas price is lower……… on the other hand, you get to own a car easier in europe but the more you use it the costly it gets….

]]> By: SEE FU http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21244 SEE FU Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:13:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21244 Epal arr!! I am not poor and not rich lah!! Just enough lah!! I will consider your proposal, but one thing is......I had been to these places already except Singapore, Sabah, Sarawak, UK, India, Russia, ..............Mexico,...........................until the last journey to the Moon (about RM 3000,000,000 in year 2010 latest promotion from JAPAN tours agent). Why.......suddenly too many placeslah need to be visited and too much money lah, I don't think is Okay to do so, Epal arr, How many place you have been too??? Why not try to advanture JAPAN or USA?? YAU MOU GAU ........CHOR!!!! OUt of TOPIC again.....Paul don't MARAH LAH it is all because of EPALHead. Epal arr!!

I am not poor and not rich lah!! Just enough lah!!

I will consider your proposal, but one thing is……I had been to these places already except Singapore, Sabah, Sarawak, UK, India, Russia, …………..Mexico,………………………until the last journey to the Moon (about RM 3000,000,000 in year 2010 latest promotion from JAPAN tours agent). Why…….suddenly too many placeslah need to be visited and too much money lah, I don't think is Okay to do so, Epal arr, How many place you have been too???

Why not try to advanture JAPAN or USA??

YAU MOU GAU ……..CHOR!!!! OUt of TOPIC again…..Paul don't MARAH LAH it is all because of EPALHead.

]]> By: Slime Babee http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21213 Slime Babee Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:25:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21213 Aiyo... Gip us ckd Alfa romeo laa Aiyo… Gip us ckd Alfa romeo laa

]]> By: epalhead http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21198 epalhead Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:04:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21198 SEE FU.... one more thing...in UK i get get a candy bar below 1 pound...80 pence like that for a snikers....here in boleh land....(sigh).2.40, 1.80,...... u get wat i said SEE FU?? SEE FU….

one more thing…in UK i get get a candy bar below 1 pound…80 pence like that for a snikers….here in boleh land….(sigh).2.40, 1.80,……

u get wat i said SEE FU??

]]> By: epalhead http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21197 epalhead Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:52:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21197 eMalaysian: i agree wit u. most of us come back because of our family, parents, relative...everybody...this is my country. i lay my blood on it...we just luv our country. SEE FU: like kanasai said....insurance a bit expensive...the properties...(sighs) very expensive..but u could find a room apartment which is affordable. SEE FU: i'm sure u have a lot of money (from the way i see u commenting in this blog), so y dont u try look the world outside....u'll get what i said. for starting...try Thailand, then Indonesia...try UK.... SEE FU: Happy trip.....GOD BLESS U! YAU MO KAU…..CHOU!! eMalaysian:

i agree wit u. most of us come back because of our family, parents, relative…everybody…this is my country. i lay my blood on it…we just luv our country.

SEE FU:

like kanasai said….insurance a bit expensive…the properties…(sighs) very expensive..but u could find a room apartment which is affordable.

SEE FU:

i'm sure u have a lot of money (from the way i see u commenting in this blog), so y dont u try look the world outside….u'll get what i said.

for starting…try Thailand, then Indonesia…try UK….

SEE FU:

Happy trip…..GOD BLESS U!

YAU MO KAU…..CHOU!!

]]> By: epalhead http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21192 epalhead Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:37:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21192 SEE FU U got me….typing error..250pound/week thank u SEE FU…so glad this blog have u in… SEE FU

U got me….typing error..250pound/week

thank u SEE FU…so glad this blog have u in…

]]> By: SEE FU http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21191 SEE FU Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:34:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21191 Wah so many of you Working at Oversea or aboard before!! No wonder so many complains on this and that about Bolehland lol. I agree that Bolehland car price is strange and I believed is one of the HIGHEST in the WOrld. Besides the car price anything else that is Higher than others countries?? I means....Food, house, .....shopping........Can someone explains it.......come lah!! Don't be SHY.......or Malu..... no brashing one okay!! eMalay...sia...n, NAP is only a "PANADOL" means temporary pain killer, the car price will not drop until the level we are expected in other countries lah. Dreams...dreams ...dreams...oh....dreams........mmmm like the song we knew. YAU MOU GAU.....CHOR!!!! Wah so many of you Working at Oversea or aboard before!!

No wonder so many complains on this and that about Bolehland lol.

I agree that Bolehland car price is strange and I believed is one of the HIGHEST in the WOrld. Besides the car price anything else that is Higher than others countries?? I means….Food, house, …..shopping……..Can someone explains it…….come lah!! Don't be SHY…….or Malu….. no brashing one okay!!

eMalay…sia…n,

NAP is only a "PANADOL" means temporary pain killer, the car price will not drop until the level we are expected in other countries lah. Dreams…dreams …dreams…oh….dreams……..mmmm like the song we knew.

YAU MOU GAU…..CHOR!!!!

]]> By: eMalaysian http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21185 eMalaysian Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:43:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21185 Most of us come back to malaysia because of parents, freedom of religon, friends, family, culture (and barat place has zero culture), etc. Some just love this country. And so do I. But we pay for this with our terrible cost of living. We don't calculate cost of living by converting currency. Its calculated by an index like how epalhead says. or by comparing car price against house/apt prices. Or car price agains GDP or something. Altis = 120k, House = 300k, Index = 2.5 Altis = 120k, Apartment =120-130k, Index = 1.08 Technically an altis = Apartment on wheels. In australia, an altis is not an apartment on wheels. I am not sure of other countries. There is something wrong with our car prices. I can't understand. Can somebody help me? Btw, I know australia's GDP is 3-4 times more than malaysia, but their car price index is lower. Why ah? Can the NAP help? Most of us come back to malaysia because of parents, freedom of religon, friends, family, culture (and barat place has zero culture), etc. Some just love this country. And so do I. But we pay for this with our terrible cost of living.

We don't calculate cost of living by converting currency. Its calculated by an index like how epalhead says. or by comparing car price against house/apt prices. Or car price agains GDP or something.

Altis = 120k, House = 300k, Index = 2.5

Altis = 120k, Apartment =120-130k, Index = 1.08

Technically an altis = Apartment on wheels.

In australia, an altis is not an apartment on wheels. I am not sure of other countries. There is something wrong with our car prices. I can't understand. Can somebody help me?

Btw, I know australia's GDP is 3-4 times more than malaysia, but their car price index is lower. Why ah?

Can the NAP help?

]]> By: SEE FU http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21172 SEE FU Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:53:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21172 kanasai arr!! If over there can find easy money, why you still come back to Bolehland? Due to Living standard too high or any other problems at UK??? Tell us more. Paul, Sorrylah your topic is a bit Bore so by ADDing some advertisment or entertainment will be much better! Okay lah!! YAM CHai Kanasai pay!! :) YAU MO KAU.....CHOU!! kanasai arr!!

If over there can find easy money, why you still come back to Bolehland?

Due to Living standard too high or any other problems at UK??? Tell us more.

Paul, Sorrylah your topic is a bit Bore so by ADDing some advertisment or entertainment will be much better! Okay lah!! YAM CHai Kanasai pay!! :)

YAU MO KAU…..CHOU!!

]]> By: kanasai http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21154 kanasai Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:07:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21154 is suppose to be 250 pounds/week la.. i can tell u that epalhead is telling the truth as i been there working before. 1 month u can earn 1000 is easy la. just to cleaning or even operator will make earn this much. here in bolehland 1 hour earn RM 4 but there in UK one hour we can earn 4.5 pounds at least. During my time i have once earn 5.50 pounds working in a factory. most operator in that fac there from central europe owns at least honda civic second hand. darn cheap but insurance expensive oni la. is suppose to be 250 pounds/week la.. i can tell u that epalhead is telling the truth as i been there working before. 1 month u can earn 1000 is easy la. just to cleaning or even operator will make earn this much. here in bolehland 1 hour earn RM 4 but there in UK one hour we can earn 4.5 pounds at least. During my time i have once earn 5.50 pounds working in a factory. most operator in that fac there from central europe owns at least honda civic second hand. darn cheap but insurance expensive oni la.

]]> By: SEE FU http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21144 SEE FU Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21144 Epal arr!! I found mistake in your SIMPLE maths lah, how??? I earn 250 pound/month. My wages is paid weekly. So one month I earn about 1000pound. You are earning 1000 pound in 4 months or 1000 per month?? YAU MO KAU.....CHOU!! Rm6000 per months just cleaning the wdo?? Epal arr!!

I found mistake in your SIMPLE maths lah, how???

I earn 250 pound/month. My wages is paid weekly. So one month I earn about 1000pound.

You are earning 1000 pound in 4 months or 1000 per month??

YAU MO KAU…..CHOU!! Rm6000 per months just cleaning the wdo??

]]> By: epalhead http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21128 epalhead Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:08:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21128 i've lives in UK .....i worked there, as a mando (some sort of like that) for team of building cleaner. I earn 250 pound/month. My wages is paid weekly. So one month I earn about 1000pound. Guys, Perodua kelisa is priced @ approximate 5000pound Honda jazz @ 11000pound Toyota corolla Altis @ 16000pound Impian/Waja @ 11000pound Gen-2 @ 8000pound to 11000 pound and so on so forth..... Guys.... calculate the car price/wage ratio in UK..... take waja for instance for instance..... 11000/1000 = 11. compared it to malaysia; Engineer salary @ 3000/month 60000/3000 = 20 guys....what can u all conclude???? and if u lives in UK....the petrol price is @ 0.95 pence/litre (those days, now i dunno).....with that salary, i can't be rich but still, i can buy petrol...this is simple math. if u want to compare the oil price @ UK after conversion to RM, make sure u convert my salary too.... i've lives in UK …..i worked there, as a mando (some sort of like that) for team of building cleaner. I earn 250 pound/month. My wages is paid weekly. So one month I earn about 1000pound.

Guys,

Perodua kelisa is priced @ approximate 5000pound

Honda jazz @ 11000pound

Toyota corolla Altis @ 16000pound

Impian/Waja @ 11000pound

Gen-2 @ 8000pound to 11000 pound

and so on so forth…..

Guys….

calculate the car price/wage ratio in UK…..

take waja for instance for instance…..

11000/1000 = 11.

compared it to malaysia;

Engineer salary @ 3000/month

60000/3000 = 20

guys….what can u all conclude????

and if u lives in UK….the petrol price is @ 0.95 pence/litre (those days, now i dunno)…..with that salary, i can't be rich but still, i can buy petrol…this is simple math. if u want to compare the oil price @ UK after conversion to RM, make sure u convert my salary too….

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21127 MyBoy Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:07:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21127 Are they still assemble E46 3-Series in Malaysia? Why dont they assemble the NEW 3-Series (E90) instead? Are they still assemble E46 3-Series in Malaysia? Why dont they assemble the NEW 3-Series (E90) instead?

]]> By: Resurrected http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21079 Resurrected Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:10:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21079 As for Sime Darby, they need to do more in promoting the Hyundai range as it's now divided between them and Oriental. Some form of co-operation will augur well for them. They do have the know-how in assembly but their service centres and sales/promotion if are the same as their Ford range, it just wouldn't work. Their Ford stable is a classic case of a well-known brand with a good range of cars (but not brought into Malaysia for various reasons) but lousy consumer awareness. I drove a Ford befoe and the service centre is inefficient. Now they even shutdown one in KL. They need to manage things better. As for Sime Darby, they need to do more in promoting the Hyundai range as it's now divided between them and Oriental. Some form of co-operation will augur well for them. They do have the know-how in assembly but their service centres and sales/promotion if are the same as their Ford range, it just wouldn't work. Their Ford stable is a classic case of a well-known brand with a good range of cars (but not brought into Malaysia for various reasons) but lousy consumer awareness. I drove a Ford befoe and the service centre is inefficient. Now they even shutdown one in KL. They need to manage things better.

]]> By: Resurrected http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21078 Resurrected Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:05:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21078 Hmm, it's all about purchasing power. US$13k for a MyVI is a bit pricey of course. Corollas and Civics start at US$14k till US$19k (2 doors and 4 doors), Elantras are only slightly cheaper while Accents starts at US$9k (closer to 10k). Even if you convert the base prices : Accent starts at RM35k Civic/Corollas start RM 53k to RM 72k before tax and accesories. It is unlikely that the carmakers will sell these cars in Malaysia at such prices as the US is a highly competitive, and it is a maturing market (margins are low here for cars and many choices to choose from and it's a volume business here). Growing markets like Malaysia are good for high margins/premium pricing. So I wouldn't really be able to say for sure that the absence of national car projects will push down the price to such a level that we can have car prices as a small fraction of our earnings per annum. At the end of the day, based on cost and the margins carmakers have, we would still be paying through our nose for cars, albeit at lower than current prices. This is just because we don't have the sort of earning power. Hmm, it's all about purchasing power. US$13k for a MyVI is a bit pricey of course. Corollas and Civics start at US$14k till US$19k (2 doors and 4 doors), Elantras are only slightly cheaper while Accents starts at US$9k (closer to 10k).

Even if you convert the base prices :

Accent starts at RM35k

Civic/Corollas start RM 53k to RM 72k

before tax and accesories.

It is unlikely that the carmakers will sell these cars in Malaysia at such prices as the US is a highly competitive, and it is a maturing market (margins are low here for cars and many choices to choose from and it's a volume business here). Growing markets like Malaysia are good for high margins/premium pricing.

So I wouldn't really be able to say for sure that the absence of national car projects will push down the price to such a level that we can have car prices as a small fraction of our earnings per annum. At the end of the day, based on cost and the margins carmakers have, we would still be paying through our nose for cars, albeit at lower than current prices. This is just because we don't have the sort of earning power.

]]> By: Paul http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21065 Paul Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:05:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21065 try to keep the discussion within the topic. i dont see how kuching has anything to do with sime darby's future plans in the automotive industry try to keep the discussion within the topic. i dont see how kuching has anything to do with sime darby's future plans in the automotive industry

]]> By: gegaoff http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21064 gegaoff Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:03:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21064 tell those brainless, that yes we live on tree because we love the earth. we taking care the environment. tell them we also plan to burn the forest to fight back the other side (indo) next summer. what the hell in their brain? all grass? cham... cheers... tell those brainless, that yes we live on tree because we love the earth. we taking care the environment. tell them we also plan to burn the forest to fight back the other side (indo) next summer.

what the hell in their brain? all grass?

cham…

cheers…

]]> By: mmm3 http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21060 mmm3 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:37:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21060 hopefully the getz car prices will drop soon. to GGG, oh man...you show ur immature attitude and used bad word in this public blog. shame on you. p/s: paul, do something about this. hopefully the getz car prices will drop soon.

to GGG,

oh man…you show ur immature attitude and used bad word in this public blog.

shame on you.

p/s: paul, do something about this.

]]> By: GGG http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21043 GGG Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:09:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21043 talk about sarawakian live on tree. only stupid ppl say that because they their mum teach them to talk without using their brain. They use their diCk to think only. why? If Kuching live in trees, then all these west malaysian live in cave. (except Selangor, Penang, KL). Kuching is much way developed than all these towns so they are NO FIT to tell us living in tree. Come over and see, you get all the proof you need. I have been to several west malaysia town and OH PLEASE, they are even more worst develop than Sarawak. talk about sarawakian live on tree. only stupid ppl say that because they their mum teach them to talk without using their brain. They use their diCk to think only. why?

If Kuching live in trees, then all these west malaysian live in cave. (except Selangor, Penang, KL). Kuching is much way developed than all these towns so they are NO FIT to tell us living in tree. Come over and see, you get all the proof you need.

I have been to several west malaysia town and OH PLEASE, they are even more worst develop than Sarawak.

]]> By: aksMs http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21034 aksMs Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:00:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21034 Hehehe...really off topic already. Swee: I'm so puzzled when you said Sarawak didn't get much of it's share from the Gomen. Err...have you ask your CM (Chief Minister)? I heard he's getting richer and richer.....hmmm...I wonder..... Anyway, 35K for Hyundai Getz....? Cheaper than Myvi? Are you trying to make a joke? Hehe. Naah...I don't think so. Even the British pays extra for it. I don't expect it to be lower than 60K. As for BMW, I can see more people are buying it now compare to 2 3 years ago. Errr...any problem with the locally assembled BMWs? Hehehe…really off topic already.

Swee: I'm so puzzled when you said Sarawak didn't get much of it's share from the Gomen. Err…have you ask your CM (Chief Minister)? I heard he's getting richer and richer…..hmmm…I wonder…..

Anyway, 35K for Hyundai Getz….? Cheaper than Myvi? Are you trying to make a joke? Hehe. Naah…I don't think so. Even the British pays extra for it. I don't expect it to be lower than 60K. As for BMW, I can see more people are buying it now compare to 2 3 years ago. Errr…any problem with the locally assembled BMWs?

]]> By: swee http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21016 swee Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:16:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21016 har har headhunter now obviously against the law :P i wana move to KL... more people = more chiobu! har har headhunter now obviously against the law :P

i wana move to KL… more people = more chiobu!

]]> By: SEE FU http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21009 SEE FU Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:56:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21009 Swee, I had never been to Sarawak nor Sabah before but some friend of mine living there and working there too near KUCHING. The city is nice and ppl are friendly too. I only saw some photos and wish I could visit someday, I like the place especially the green forest too.!!! BTW, I am interest your last warning .......>>20% of sarawakian are headhunter!! Wow I like it!! I wish I could feel it!! Wow more exicited than BanGI Jump man!! When can you introduce one to me?? can Arr?? Joking!! As You may know, in KL there are many Headhunter too!! Recruitment company lol, I am hunting ppl too, anyone wish to join my Company arr?? YAU MO KAU......CHOU!!!! Swee,

I had never been to Sarawak nor Sabah before but some friend of mine living there and working there too near KUCHING. The city is nice and ppl are friendly too. I only saw some photos and wish I could visit someday, I like the place especially the green forest too.!!!

BTW, I am interest your last warning …….>>20% of sarawakian are headhunter!! Wow I like it!! I wish I could feel it!! Wow more exicited than BanGI Jump man!! When can you introduce one to me?? can Arr?? Joking!!

As You may know, in KL there are many Headhunter too!! Recruitment company lol, I am hunting ppl too, anyone wish to join my Company arr??

YAU MO KAU……CHOU!!!!

]]> By: keniji http://paultan.org/2005/10/26/sime-darbys-nap-plans/#comment-21008 keniji Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:54:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=569#comment-21008 THAT MEANS WE WILL GET GLOBAL FAIR CAR PRICE: BMW3 AT RM150K HYUNDAI GETS AT RM35K LIKE THOSE AT THAI, CHINA... THAT MEANS WE WILL GET

GLOBAL FAIR CAR PRICE:

BMW3 AT RM150K

HYUNDAI GETS AT RM35K

LIKE THOSE AT THAI, CHINA…

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