when driving at manual, same problem will occur, the "system failure" light indicator will light up, he cant change gear, it wont change to 'N' gear like the auto transmission, but suck to the current gear he is driving. say the car is moving at second gear while slowing down, it wont change gear for a few minutes resulting my hubby to be force driving in the middle of road in second gear for about minutes when suddently the gear is back to normal.

the problem become frequent after few months, basically every 15 minutes of driving, he will have same problem.

go to pesc and coe, they ask us to change the entire gear box. some pesc quote rm11,000, some quote up to rm15,000. this is ridiculous. apparently proton dont know how to ratify the problem because it is a renault engine. they ask us to change speed sensor, speedo meter (which we did) based on assumption and so call "experience" while in reality they have no idea where the problem started. lately we been told the problem "might" be amt robotic in savvy or the wiring which we doubt if it is so.

so far the best solution to fix this at this moment now is to change the entire gear box which will cost us five figure.

many amt owners faced this problem esp those who already reach 3 years of ownership (which is great as proton only gave us 2 years warranty when we purchase ours). try read it here from savoc.net :

http://www.savoc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6145&a…

http://www.savoc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293545…

so my hubby savvy amt basically parked infront of our house for the last 2-3 months now and we have to car pool. good thing mine is manual.

(*) In addition to being more powerful and offering more torque, the 1.2 16V engine coupled with the robotized gearbox (D4F+) features an

active thermostat and variable valve timing with a view to optimizing fuel efficiency and performance.

It's mostly about the Clio III, but a good half-page (page 10) was devoted to the engine that lives in the Savvy. Something in the write-up caught my interest, and I have no idea how this is possible:

With a cubic capacity of 1,149cc, the new generation 1.2 16V (D4F) engine has a power output of 75hp (55kW) (80hp/57,5kW when coupled with the

robotized gearbox) at 5,500rpm and maximum torque of 105Nm (11mkg) (108Nm/11mkg with the robotized gearbox) at 4,250rpm.

It's strange that there is a gain in power and torque when paired with the robotized gearbox. I'm assuming that the same gearbox is now known as the AMT in the Savvy. This is very interesting indeed – not just do you gain 10% fuel economy (according to the same document), but also power and torque?

The engine also supposedly idles at 650rpm, lower than any other Renault engine, giving a small amount of savings in city driving. This makes the Savvy a very interesting car indeed …

they are kiamsiap dogs.

They know how to take care of their own and

let uneducated stupid INSTRUCTER to teach and always problem and scold people.

Padan muka they are lack of money .(instructor)

Please let me know. Thanks.

can anyone tell me where 2 get the savvy R3 bodykit ?

If p1 included ABS & SRS in the RM46000 price tag sure will make savvy more competitive..for that to happen will on be during a blue moon.

RM2480 for 7 pieces R3 bodykit & Safetint.

November 18, 2005 @ 2:36 am

oh yeah ? “assisted” only-kah? tell that to the LG ppl lah ya? continue glorify mediocrity lah… i wonder where did u get ur “facts”? but for sure i have my facts here
http://www.lgcns.co.kr/lgcns_e/case/case_08_03.js…

and take a look at the discussions here
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/topic.asp…
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You get your facts from the internet. I get mine first hand from Lotus, Proton and LG engineers that worked on the Savvy Project. How about that?

On the site LG are taking more credit that they should.

myvi on the other hand has brilliant design although i think the rear is a little bland for my taste. it has a fairly reliable engine and parts are easily avaliable for repair/modification. Toyota+daihatsu VS Proton?

jesus cmon you KNOW the answer regardless of which is better than the other in any terms whatsoever. keep in mind that the savvy is a huge improvement over proton's older models and represents a step in the right direction. anyways..

Myvi is the more rational/favourable choice for the obvious reasons. the release date of the savvy plus the lack of automatic transmission at launch unfortunately and inevitably sealed its demise despite it for the first time being a proton product, its not entirely shit, but looks like shit (imagine caviar/pizza/kolo mee/laksa that tastes exceptionally good, but looks like a huge steaming pile of shit?). i hope you enjoy the imagery, which i did as i am chewing on my cha kueh right now

im not going to rant about the Perodua success story and how it changed the malaysian automobile industry, because it didnt! all the Myvi did was provide the middle/lower class population a new toy to drive around with that looks good at the same time! thats good isnt it (the japanese are so smart the myvi makes perfect business sense. Perodua is very clever as well)

now Proton is doing the same, except pulling the design out of their own ass and raping a french engine then stick it into their Epitome of Ugly. ok enough bullshit, the savvy is actually a good car because its the 1st non-shitbox proton ever produced.

like it or not its the first time THE national auto maker is trying to BE the national auto maker, and they would only benefit from some encouraging response from the public, not blind negative comments from people that only seen the savvy from their rear window (yeah i know its not a pretty sight) or worse only on paultan.org (LOL no offense) walk into a showroom and drive it. even better get a salesgirl and bang her along the way, both are free

i wouldnt deny despite thinking the host of Top Gear is an asshole im a big fan of the show. now how does this compute? Its a show about rich men who have everthing in the world talking about cars. in this case talking about cars they wouldnt even normally under ANY circumstances whatsoever drive, even if it was to save their life… maybe on the show because thats their job.

I like the show because of the nice pictures i get to see of the cars i probably wouldnt even get within 5 feet in my entire life, let even drive it. they could have Paris Hilton host it for all i care, and the attention whore probably never even drove in her entire life because she doesnt need to! (so rich, u get what i mean?).

we beleive the slick guy because hes the host right..? please. experience it first hand. only virgins talk about which porn is good and which is not. real men have girls. rape is not an excuse because it will result in you having a big boyfriend in jail named Hamid…

Brand loyalty will get me nowhere, but loyalty must be earned. on-hand experience is what counts. go to the showroom, drive it, find the salesgirl and ask her out. Double win for you. ok im talking about the car not the salesgirl the salesgirl is your choice if there is no salesgirl you can go fck yourself to a jenna jameson video or the dvd you bought from petaling street

CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF I AM NOT DRUNK

instead it is 4 am and i cant sleep. Thank you for joining me in my kinky adventure.

and that new Harry Potter movie rocks. Drive your myvi to watch it because it will rock twice as much. cheers

Quickshift5 has idle creep on clio meaning slope start off possibe, expect to have it in savvy.

specs and figures for clio with quickshift 5 and savvy.

Renault clio
http://carpages.co.uk/guide/renault/renault-clio-…

Savvy
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/…

Comment:

The dimensions are all awefully close to each other. So as the weight. Seems Savvy is a direct variant from clio. Even the weight is a mere 3 kg difference.

So much for the made in house statement. y not call it proton clio for a change lol

some comments of AMT from autoworld
http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/allposts.asp?su…

I stress again guys, better test the darn thang fully to comfirm/dispell the myths. The storm has not reached the coast yet but the boats are rocking already.

But what to do, we feel good inside where got time to bother how people look at our car from outside… normally all become 'transparent' just like falling in love… love is blind :p

Mmm.. actually ah, most Savvy car owners didn't really intend to modify their stock cars. Most of them already happy with it and generally the important 'factors' of the car already 'shines' the beholder and beholder to be.

Some said the savvy rear like ultraman or like underwear with butterfly on it, front like toilet seat, body like karipap, etc… I guess that is his or her personal view and perception of his or her mind interpreting an object which then categorized it as ugly or beauty.

I have no problem with that Savvy exterior design especially the rear side, when I watch ultraman, I still think he has a great unique superpower look, toilet seat also important what, imagine your toilet without one, underwear important too for me but some don't wear lah and lastly, karipap… I love it.

Just like married couples, most of them (really in love) won't ask his or her life partner to 'modified' his or her looks just to please himself or herself even when they are getting older, uglier, fattier, etc

When it 'shines' inside, it doesn't matter how it looks outside because the inner beauty already capture the 'true' heart of the beholder

Test drive it and it is a fun car to drive (oops no commission one) and from 'inside' you can only feel the 'inner' beauty

have a thought…………made up your mind? GOOD.

Let's get back to basics and forget the all the bashing nonsense.

We'll neglect female preferences as well. They are not techno-savvy anyway. If they see something they like, they'll take it. They don't give a damn of what the car can do. As long it brings them from A to B, that's fine. But if you insist, go right ahead.

You like cars right? what do you want in cars? fast? responsive? nimble? powerful? fully tech loaded? futuristic? etc etc. you have your own preferences. Give it a thought of what car you want based on your honest preferences. Still the same choice? GOOD.

Most ppl in this forum say not fair to judge local cars with foreign cars. Ok fair enough we talk only about p1 and p2.

Most ppl say not fair to judge products from p1 and p2 coz p1 more older, done most things themselves as has been claimed countless times (ok I'll pretend that the french, italians & koreans have nothing to do with Savvy which they have infact but I'll just pretend i did not know such a sort) and p2 got Daihatsu and Toyota as their back bone coz they cannot develop and whole new platform from the ground up. They have to depend on the japs like a baby sucking a milk bottle. Fair enough?

Here are the stats.. BOTH are practically built, economical engines, carries 5 ppl, and with a certain price tag.

So what's the big deal?

Sounds like both cars are kinda equal. So the choice may still be the same. Either this or that, but you made your choice earlier on so we will stick to your choice..GOOD

With your choice, in your mind figure out how far you are going with the car of you choice. What I mean is how long the car will keep your interest towards it before sending it off to the 2nd hand shops. Have a thought…..GOOD.

On the other hand…

How far you will go then if you were to choose the other car? Just keep that figure in your head. I don't really want to know coz it's your head anyway.

Enough with the brain washing. I'll tell you what I think.

For Myvi..

I can go and buy toyota passo or daihatsu boon bodykits and slap it on the Myvi then it'll look cool. Personally I don't like the front and back part of Myvi but i dun care coz I CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

The lights? why just buy the toyota passo or daihatsu lights and part of the body panels and u have yourself and passo/boon the price of myvi. Personally I don't like the standard lights on myvi but i don't care coz ___________________(fill in the blanks)….correct coz I CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I would also get the 998cc version myvi. yeah the engine sucks but who cares? it's around 40K+ for the cheapest version. Still cheaper than the Savvy.

But that is not the main reason.

I'll get a daihatsu yrv half cut and slap the 1.3L engine and tranny there. But why would i want to put the 1.3L half cut? y not just get the 1.3L version myvi since the both engines are the same? It is because the yrv engine already comes standard with 1.3L turbo and 4 gear automatic transmission. Adding up the mod costs the total car cost maybe around the region of 55K. Still ok to me, I'd pay for that than to get the standard 1.3L myvi. and y would i want to go through the trouble to mod it? coz _________________________(Good I'm glad we are on the same wavelength)

Now comes to Savvy.

My thoughts are..

kinda quiet here..I can even hear the pin drop a block away

anybody home?

I think I'll have a cuppa tea

Oh megatron, my beloved transformer. where on Earth have you been? err Cybertron (megatron seems to say)

Honestly, really, I don't know what to do with this car. No matter what I want to do with this car the front will always look like the rear. There is just not enough options for this car.

I even saw a Savvy with rally mud flaps on it…wtf

THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO

People think Jeremy Clarkson's words are harsh? he doesn't care where the car is from. He is commenting based on practical experiences from tonnes of cars he drove. That experience cannot be gained by watching, it is embraced from the steering wheel he drives. Ever seen a babies cry or laugh? they do it coz it's a genuine gesture. You think Jeremy is faking his smile when drifting the RX-8 around the test track? hardly so.

I too don't care where the car is from. It's all about the X-factor. There is just not enough oomph to favour Savvy.

You could even put the most beautiful woman in the world beside the car and no one will even notice it coz everybody is looking at the woman at the first place..

The furthest I could imagine with Savvy is the big drain just across the street, with the Savvy in it…four wheels facing the moon.. with the banana peel nearby the road where driver thought since it is Lotus handling, y not i give a try…would hurt to find out…….what a costly decision.

AMT? so? I can get a crashed Savvy's AMT and slap it inside the myvi. it's troublesome but not impossible right?

Lotus handling? Y not go get the Lotus engineers to tune the myvi? or get mugen or whoever jap tuning companies? definitely expensive but not impossible right?

Change savvy engine? of course possible, but the AMT is configured to suit savvy. A definite no no..but if you still insist you can sell me the AMT coz I plan to modify it to suit my car…cheap cheap can lah

What I see in this blog is that ppl are thrashing over pride. p1 and p2 supporters alike. I dun mind but is pride more important? What pride going to help you in? are you going to receive a free car for being loyal for 10 years? are you getting company shares by buying the car? does the company belong to you? can get a free AP?

No, no, no & I REALLY WISH SO

It's just simply & utterly childish.

To sum it up be it with AMT or Lotus whatchamacalit handling, savvy just doesn't spark my fancy as in terms of flexibility in parts and mods, improvements so on and so forth, is not up to par with myvi. then again,

It's my opinion, so why would anybody care right?

I hope my terms does not qualify me as a basher. I'm just being realistic. If I do, my apologies to all fellow readers for being so harsh.

SO……..

what's your choice?

made up your mind?

GOOD

Whatever it is I will respect your choices. Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder(personally I think this phrase is too cheesy)

HAPPY MOTORING

IF THE BMW launch AMT .. it should be good damn farking GOOOOOD!

but in the name of proton = everything is Saaaks.. haha