there are ppl who are even more expressive and much more rude. what i had said is considered light. nobody has given u the right to police ppl's comments save for Paul himself.

anyway this has gotten way off topic so i'd suggst anybody who doesnt have anything to say related to this topic, pls refrain from commenting, lest more arguments come out.

Cucu-cicit Biduanda

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"…cut and paste macam Proton aje."

would u just shut up if u have nothing to contribute?

nobody would think u’re pekak & bisu if u dont say anything…

ko tak tau ke berapa banyak Proton dah cekik darah rakyat? berapa banyak nyawa melayang kerana kereta yang tak berkualiti?

kerana Proton, kerajaan tak wajibkan ABS dan airbag.

kerana Proton, rakyat tak mampu nak beli kete, terpaksa naik motor, kena hujan, kena panas terik matahari, kena gelek dek lori bila berteduh hujan di bawah jambatan???

kerana Proton, polisi kerajaan menyusahkan rakyat, memudaratkan ekonomi negara!!! berapa banyak hari bekerja yang terpaksa diabaikan, mintak cuti untuk bawak kete Proton pergi service centre? tuan punya kete rugi gaji, kompeni dan negara rugi produktiviti!

kerana Proton, berapa banyak duit rakyat melimpah ke luar negara? Beban hutang kerajaan naik, Proton pi beli lotus, MV Agusta tu, bawak untung tak? yang Hatuk nampak, asyik rugi ajer…

asyik-asyik nak berlagak… buat kete sendiri konon… nak hantar angkasawan konon, nak bina putrajaya, cyberjaya konon… duit tu datang dari mana? kalo monyet tak tau, Hatuk bagi tau… duit hutang kerajaan Jepun lah tu…

pasal inilah negara tak berdaya nak tentang penjajah… saper yang jemput diorang datang dulu? sekarang ngko nak tuding jari pada penjajah luar? cerminlah diri tu dulu… sokong membabi-buta tu bukan tak boleh, tapi kenalah tengok tempat dan waktu… jangan nak ikut org tua nyanyuk tu, padahal diri sendiri bermasalah, asyik nak salahkan org lain…

nak tuduh minda org kena jajah, tapi padahal dia sendiri berminda katak bawah tempurung…

monyet… oh monyet….

finally bob vs Bob case end. both win win situation. well done.

cheers…

***Bob bents slightly, lowering his hat with a hearteous bow to salute his excellency HatukNgKau after his excellency's speech to guide our nation***

IMO = This is better than the tongkat speech given by Dr. M that time….

should we just say bob1, bob2, bob 3 etc etc

Let see how the new MD of P1….. see some hints in those charts…..

Brand = Proton

Heart = sebarang…..

Quality = Japanese grade

Cost = Msian standard

Maintenance = Reasonable

All these add together = Msian Boleh….

Now aday,,, no 1 really care who supply engine.. or who supply gear box or wat so ever… as long as the car look good … good QC…. it sell……

what u see above is just a minor representation of the actual picture. if you are going to take into account of every little detail of connections they had, u'd be confused… i almost went crazy trying to unravel their system… practically though the major shareholders are the owner, many include their suppliers and customers had also bought share lots among each other…

to simply put it, it's a strategic alliance strategy but with abit tie ups to encourage and ensure responsibility and accountability… like u scratch my back i scratch ur back type of relationships.

traditionally companies are very much loyal to each other and they are bound by unwritten agreement and consensus. meaning that if they had always been buying from one supplier, they will continue to do so even if there is an emerging supplier firm who tried to penetrate the market by offering better terms. the original supplier will try hard to live up to the trust and expectation and offer similar terms to match the new firm's offer.

however these kind of situation are starting to change (for good or for bad) as Japanese are increasingly exposed to international business practice, and they are easily adaptable to suit and fit many occasions. They are willing to learn and innovative enough to adapt and improve foreign ideas to be uniquely their own…

though i do hope that we malaysians could succeed the way they did… however i very much doubt it. first of all, we dont have the culture of accountability and responsibility, where the leaders would admit to their own or subordinates' mistakes and resign (or commit ritual suicide).

secondly, we dont have the learning culture, where instead of actively seeking for knowledge and to experiment on our own to develop critical thinking, our education system still relies on spoon-feeding and text memorisation.

despite all the sweet talk and claims by the ministers and officials, just ask any form 4-5 student about their "SPM sijil terbuka", although the edu ministry says students can choose their subjects for exam under this system, actually do they really get to choose their subjects? tepuk dada tanya selera…

thirdly, we have a bad habit of "tidak-apa" attitude… i guess all of us knows what that means so i wont be explaining it.

fourthly, we have this "foolish simpleton" mindset… easily puas hati over small, unimportant or insignificant things… how could we have pride in the largest mooncake, longest keropok lekor and tallest building replica made of empty water bottles are beyond me. we have this "ayam bertelur sebiji, riuh sekampung" mindset.

celebrating when achieveing something is not wrong, but done excessively, it's would seem ridiculous. there is nothing to be proud of if it's just a one time achievement… unless we could consistently produce or achieve something, only then we can say we're good at it…

to show u an example, how many times does we get to win the Thomas Cup in badminton? yes we may have exceptional athletes every now and then, but do we produce champions consistently? even the last time we won the cup was more than a decade ago… we may continue lying to ourselves that Malaysia is a force to be feared in badminton but fact is, China and Indonesia produces more champions consistently…

let's not just talk about badminton, look at football as well… gone are the glory days of yesteryears, despite the pay and facilities, our footballers with their "kaki bersepuh emas" cant even defeat Vietnam!!! and i still remember very clearly a cartoon published in Berita Harian a few years back, showing our fully dressed footballers in jerseys and boots lost to kaki ayam, sarung-clad vietnamese… can u imagine the shame?

we may continue to live our dreams that we are a competitive country, where we have better facility and infrastructure, educated, skilled and cheap workforce, but fact is we're losing out to just everybody! Thailand does not have a National car project, yet carmakers not only setting up assembly plants, but R&D centres as well… what have we got from our own national car project? well the answer is very obvious so i'm not gonna elaborate here.

in conclusion, we should start re-examine ourselves. we have to reset and reprioritize. we should concentrate on what we does best and not trying to be everything! wan to be multimedia and information hub (MSC) but failed. want to be educational hub (no result yet). wan to be automotive hub (NAP) failed miserably. distribute wealth fairly (NEP)? heck only ppl within the Chronicles (Crony Circles) get the wealth while there are still poor ppl around…

would there be change for the better for malaysia in future? well there is a possibility and in fact i do hope so. but judging from the mentality that is deeply ingrained in all of us malaysians i had my doubt. by having just a handful of enlightened soul is not enough to improve this situation. there are bound to resistance to change. ppl refuse to move out of their comfort zone to improve… they prefer things the way it is… and forever be stagnant pool of water which will soon dry up if there are no effort taken to find the river.

i'm sorry paul, for typing so much and being out of topic… i just cant stop it… i just hope that ppl would start wake up and smell the coffee. i for myself will continue striding hard to improve my own self and situtations… there are nothing which is totally out of our control… we do have control up to a certain extent. it's whether we utilise the control properly or not.

***Bob 2 helds high the sacred tea of wisdom above his head, kneeling and looking hearthenly sincere. He said with a firm voice, Bob1, will you take my as your holy disciple?***

lol …… joking lar…… .have a nice day everyone.

the logical answer to your question is…

masuk kocek…

Thank you for answering my question. Anyway forgive me for being rude at the first place. I agree to change my name……….bob——-afif

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Paul, case getting serious… login ID needed…

May I suggest the seconder use Bob2, it is to avoid any CONFUSION of comments lah!! you two are Great!! I like yours (both) comments!

YAU MOU GAU……CHOR!!! Cheers!

I am the original poster of those highly criticisive posts, accurate and indepth insights. Hence suddenly you go on asking questions such as what Mitsubishi had to do with Pininfarina, i felt offended.

Ok, Bob peace with 'Bob'; i answer your question. Pininfarina although is mainly a designer, however their factory consists of huge win tunnels for aerodynamic testings, test track, design houses and so on.

Mitsubishi however, is one behemoth of Japan company, having many high tech industrial machineries, they not only do banking, paper mill, heavy industries, financing, automobile and so on bla bla bla. And i wanna ask you a question to answer your answer. When you have that much machinery, high tech labs and so on, will you reject when you have businesses? Mitsubishi did supply the build up of some of Pininfarina's automobile automation machinery, prototyping casts, and even build some for them. Actually, it's just business, if Pininfarina would visit other manufacturers for similar requests, and that Pininfarina wasn't skimpy bout $$$, who wouldn't do their business.

As i know,Isuzu supply a lot of diesel engine

Yamaha got a lot of pattern……

Toyoto connection not so confuse(except china market)

I AM THE FIRST ONE WHO USE THAT NAME LAH!!Before now I used 'bob' then i changed it to 'Bob'. I use the capital letter 'B' now, not the little 'b' anymore

I've been visiting this blog site for months much earlier before you. No offense anyway…….

December 8, 2005 @ 11:05 am

Dear Paul, or anyone who knows,

If you don’t mind can you explain to me about the Mitsubishi outsourcing its production to Pininfarina of Italy in the Japan-Europe chart. I’m bit confused. I thought that Pininfarina is a design firm. So what does the ‘production outsourcing’ between Mitsubishi and Pininfarina means?

Please,please…. is there anyone knows?

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Please, USE YOUR OWN NAME. CHANGE TO WHATEVER NAME, JUST DONT USE MINE PLEASE.

U may argue with me that: YAU MOU GAU…..CHOR!!! (SEE FU, just borrow a while, i won't black mail u.) Those Chinamen are copycat bulat bulat only!

Maybe it's true for now, but with those copycat products, China already stood out to produce some good designs liao. Wait-and-see, we'll be surprised one day!

This is how to do colloboration and alliances mah! See how flucture and uncertainty our automotive policy, plus ridiculous retriction… When to improve!!!