You must be a Proton engineer.

I agreed with you on better performance of new generation of diesel engines in European cars, but is our local diesel up to it???

Chips? Malaysian auto mag? u’re not talking about Motor Trader, are u?

Waja 1.6 won green car award and outdo those hibrids in Australia.
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i’m still waiting for somebody to prove his words here….

I have no doubt that the 4G18 is quite an efficient engine as compared to most 1.6 litre engines, especially the Korean ones. If the target body of the sedan has comparable weight and aerodynamic factors, I’m quite sure that the 4G18 engine can provide good mileage which should be able match the sedan’s original engine.

Having said that, where else can you find (in Malaysia) a 1.6/1.8 litre class sedan car (without ABS and Traction Control) which can handle as well as Waja? IMHO, it is by far one of the best handling sedan of its class. Altis 1.6 has scary handling while the Civic 1.7 is just average. I suspect the only car which can beat the Waja in terms of handling is the Ford Focus.

I would still choose any sporty diesel car as compared to hybrid because I know how to make it run on KFC and McD oils. That would be a lot more efficient in monetary terms.

2) I think the diff above is enough to cover for the subsidies of the other foreign oil refineries . As for tax revenue lost – COMMON , GIVE US A BREAK. OIL PRICES WILL DETERMINE OUR CPI . NOT JUST PETROL PRICES BUT THE SPIRAL EFFECT ON BASIC GOODS.

3) If govt need some extra revenue to cover for the oil subsidies , it is about time to tax to snobbish car coming from our ” southern neighbour”. Shit they
make m’sian car pay S$20 per day to go across the causeway. Make them pay RM 44 on our side. Easy money.

4) Those 3 litres & above cars should pay higher road tax. Maybe triple. The idea of some about making it easy to bring in Hybrid car is good. But them , govt need car tax too ( many mouth to feed right ? ) and after these cars go through AP kings , the price will be beyond most of us. Finally end up as senior govt official preferred car to show environmental concern. Something like proton chancellor.

I think I will go and buy a proton savvy amt tomorrow. Just in case petrol price go up next 2 weeks.

ON 2ND THOUGHT , BETTER NOT. I ALREADY CANNOT SLEEP. THINKING OF BUYING ANOTHER PROTON CAR WILL MAKE GO INSANE.Better do some ear-squat exercise . Maybe can sleep…….so long I don’t lau sai…ha ha ha

i once read an aritcle about hybrids vs diesels and the conclusion here was that diesels were better suited for long distance driving while hybrid better for city use. in the city the stop start driving uses a lot of breaking which would charge the batteries, and it would save fuel because the battries would accelerate the car from stop keeping the internal combustion engine off at that time.
In long distance driving the batteries would have less of a function compared to city driving and the diesel would emerge with better numbers.

about the difference between hybrid diesels vs hybrid petrols.. i dont know about the nitty gritty details. I thought you would get diesel fuel economy minus whatever the battery can save…

to Zoom,
I thought that diesel engines have better torque at lower RPM compared to petrol engines?…regardless of which country they come form..

cheers…

FYI, ~50% of ANY engine’s power is used (or wasted) to overcome aerodynamic drag @ 100km/h! The percentage or energy wasted increases along with speed.

Aerodynamic drag is determined by shape and design of the car. Put the Waja engine into a mini SUV like a Vitara and calibrate the weight of the car to match Waja’s taking off the extra seats or such and I guarantee you that the fuel economy will suffer. Therefore, aerodynamic efficiency is equally important as powertrain efficiency.

On diesel v hybrid however, modern diesel are very advanced indeed. With modern diesels engines, you will be able to travel at least 40% more distance with the same amount of fuel as compared to a comparable petrol engine (in terms of power & torque). That is the amount of savings you would get in a petrol v hybrid situation. The diesel will achieve those figures with a more conventional body styling as compared to body of hybrid cars which normally are specifically designed to meet fuel efficiency goals.

Diesel engines are built robust, allowing you to start and go without warming up. Hybrids are not. Think of the cost of buying the battery pack if they get damaged in 5~10 years’ time. I stand corrected.

Japanese car maker know how to bring more torque to same CC of car.

I agree with Quest. 5billion over 50 Billion with the raw material FOC under Malaysia soil??
I think tax impose is much lower than they suppose to pay.
And when oil price increase, we are not talking about petrol only . Plastic industry ,chemical industry, rubber industry all depend of the output from stages of crude oil process to get different type of oil grade for production.

Pls dont think it’s only petrol that affected.

About the Waja.. Yes it has good fuel economy. but its no attribute to Proton’s engieering finess, rather to the Mitsubishi engine. however foreigners cannot understand the logic behind putting a 1.6L into such a large car… think bout it.. the small Ford Fiesta uses a 1.6L engine. Other than Lotus input, everything about the Waja is not up to standard, which is why NO Wajas have been sold in Australia the past few months….

I think they should just design a Gen2 sedan and do away with the Waja…

We have our utilities to pay, car, fuel, road tax, insurance, insurance, tax, epf deduction, grocery, shopping, parking, toll etc….just imagine the amount of money being unleashed from our pockets.

Wow…..i hope they (the world) can produce some hybrid vehicles. It’s already time for the technology to change.

The rich ones will not feel the pinch …. but the poor ones will.

Looking at the price of fuel at other Asean countries is a boom ! I believe the prices doesn’t decrease………….always increases.

People … what can we do to overcome this ?

please don’t be selfish. sometimes we have to think about the poor also…

But petrol companies will bising coz can’t sell byk petrol!

G should encourage the imports of such vehicles in big numbers since local car maker can’t produce one. Hope they dun block the imports coz proton belum buat such car!!!!

Where the profits go to? Another right hand-left hand syndrome?

dont just simply shoot from ur arse-mouth. though what u had said are utterly unbelieveable to me, (what? a normal engine has better consumption and emission than a hybrid?), i’m willing to let some space.

show us proofs. post up links on where u get the news that Waja beats those hybrids in green car awards in Australia. what green car award? in what terms? (which car’s green colour paint is better looking?) and based on which benchmark? if u can prove it, then it’s ok for saying so. if u cant, it means u’re just lying…

spoken words represent the speaker. have some respect for urself. u might think u “gaya” like a hero, just simply blast in and start shooting everything that moves… but u might just not only shoot the hostage, but also shoot urself on ur own feet.

waiting for ur proof.

i still remember one tech show back in 1999, got one prototype SPORTS car from MacLaren (if i can stil remember correctly) that runs on hydrogen-something battery… really a runner, got show forgot how many seconds 0-100km/j also, but bcoz batt capacity is still low so the mileage also low lor… the body is made with carbon fibre… i wonder how is the progress now…

anyway, screw that… about Petronas and the fuel subsidy.. does this mean its a good idea to use more Petronas fuel?. I mean the more money they get, the more they have the capacity to subsidise, right?

All these while i have been wondering why Petronas has not step up to help cover the subsidiary. Well, at least i feel better after reading this article.

All i can say is that, i am going to go for hybrid car or electric car after 10 years from now. Can you imagine that the entire petroleum source will be dry 19 years from now !! That will be equivalent to owing 3 consequtive cars for a period of 6 years each. And by the time, your car has 0 second hand value. As no more petrol available to power the engine. Oh my god, i better get my dream car and start enjoy before it is too late.

With all the improvements to diesel engines, I personally think Malaysian’s would be better off using diesel cars. Even Europeans are quite sceptical about hybrids, especially due to the longer term costs (maintenence, etc).