a car become a ball Mitsubishi=> EON =>mitsubishi=>EON=>Mitsubishi

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than the car Will Shi Shi Shi Shi liar

car condap

so that have 3 year warranty

This real ball game happen in Bintulu Sarawak. sin fed 09 until now

my friend new Mitsubishi in Bintulu EON workshop since feb 09 until now still call Belum siap…..

If EON do the service don buy Mitsubishi better buy proton.

orang EON tuhu buatan Malysia sajalah….

January 5, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

i thought an evo is a perfomance car.not with this evo9.it sucks even when the mivec kicks in,the power is too smooth..suits my granny to go to the market to buy vegetables.

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to buy vegetables with ahbeng style….

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yeah,yeah…its suits all the ah beng in kl..huhuhuhuhu.

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to buy vegetables with ahbeng style….

December 21, 2005 @ 8:06 am

Wah laN eh…

had seen Lancer show car, the interior sucks… just like ordinary proton interior. only the front look nice. RM90k ++ … wa tak mau loh.

—————–> AGREED Buddy!!! KNNCCB the my previous wira looks even better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KNNCCB Mitsubishi trying to con us isit????? KNN ~! (TM)

am i rite, kuching lan-evo fans ?

biasalah… we always compare to someone/something that is lesser and then make ourselves feel good that we're better than others… kahkahkah!!!

Packaging of parts is a big factor. There are many parts missing or over packed, so to implement a Kanban type of system will be very difficult. In CBU cases vendor will deliver up to the assembly line.

From my exp. even American Accord/UK Accord suffer Q problem although less then us. Most probably the high cost of human labor means that they use a higher level of automation.

Using higher level of automation the parts need to be of higher quality. Robots generally have less tolerance then its human counterparts.

December 22, 2005 @ 5:00 pm

About the CKD inferior than CBU unit, from your experience, why that happen. Is it because of the machinery factor, human factor or both? or simply imported car more ‘perfect’ is just our perception.

Nope it not perception. Its very clear the assembly work is not as good. Why I dont know, QC maybe. Taking the example of the new Accord, Honda has won accolades for precise assembly and near non-existant panel gaps. The local CKD Accord, have bumpers and doors that dont line up…and not only on just one unit. I've been to numerous showrooms and notice quite a few have the same problems. To makes matters worst, our Accord has been sent in the workshop 3 times in 1 month for "bad assembly" of components (headlights that dont work, loosing reverse gear, and now, no brakes when cold…. can you imagine that???!!!)

A North American Accord (built in the US – yet we keep on kutuk Mat Salleh) will never have left QC looking like this. The CBU Honda Inspire (JDM "Big Accord") is almost near perfect in build quality.

For starters, as soon as you offer cheap labor MNC will start making investment bringing machinery etc. to get the labor. China with i mil ppl and very large income disparity between urban and rural area will always make this cheap labor available.

Esp. in textile industry China do not need machinery as it has cheap labor in abundance. The thing that no worker in other country will do, chinese worker need to do as they do not have a choice. Many time while I'm there my heart bleed to see the treatment receive by these workers.

While my principal is in UK, but I mainly take assignment in Asian region. So i visit these newly industrialised country often as part of the job. Good to know u too.

but maybe i shud point this out, the reason china lags in technology that a large portion of the jobs and industries that are being moved to China are labour intensive job with less R&D aspects. either tech transfers (teaching of locals with already existing knowledge) or direct import of machineries and blueprints doesn't quite help with increasing the tech level a country has.

loopholes, corruption and lax of enforcement too has allowed many china businesses to squeeze the labour tight, and considering the volume of production, repetitive work has made them quite efficient in doing the same thing over and over again. thus, though their production consists of low-tech product, they have become quite good and constant at maintaining their quality (constant here doesnt necessarily mean good, it could mean constantly bad also)

i have not done much study about india yet, as my current job focuses more on studies of southeast asia, but i will, when i have the chance to.

looks like i would have another person to exchange views to, in this forum. nice to meet u, biggie!

sorry for the way that i tone my post it make you feel so young, i believe at my age every new year will make me feel much older.

I've visit and work in many international plant in my capacity and more or less see how they are being governed by respective govt. Labor law or environmental law do not exist in china so basically they can throw money or sweat to make consistent parts. However, they still behind in term of technology.

India – are burdened with labor organisation and stiffling bureucracy. Taiwan is yrs ahead in term of tech and they have the option of cheap labor from mainland.

Not all technology & know-how can be bought. So there is no qick fix with money.

The Japanese esp. production eng. have a very strict discipline on procedure. So with them around every procedure need to be adhered to. Unlike western and korean countries that have this attitude as long as job done then it will be ok. So existence of this eng. to supervise local plant will be a big boost.

Attitude and mentality of our workers will be improved with this kind of supervision. No more tidak apa attitude.

I'm not marketing researcher… but usually they have to buy my advise.

Hybrid car can be cost effective if Govt provide tax exemption, and for very good reason too. If diesel can gain similar effect, why not? This could be a transtition stage until .. well until petrol prices go up even higher. i.e. no more 'subsidy' on fuel…

Wahh Savvy doing well, I guess that's coming. The petrol cost could double though.

We can get cheaper cars, no two ways about it. CBU or CKD will be OK. Cars will soon be like printers, cheaper gadget. but expensive cartrdiges.

Back to this Mitsu, if the asembly could privde more jobs for local population, why not. After all, it is the only thing that mattered to politician…

i understand and know what u're trying to tell me… but then, if even china, india and taiwan can produce cheaper and better quality parts than our local vendors, i see no reason why they should slack and not having proper infrastructure.

with sufficient money, better equipments, raw materials and moulds could be bought. however as i said in my other comment in another thread here, it's the attitude and mentality…

malaysians would rather milk a dead cow rather than spending higher initial investment to secure long term returns… all we want is quick fix and quick returns, hence the use of cheap materials, equipments and labor to generate larger profit margin…

i dont know if u catch my point but one day if u happens to work as a marketing researcher, there will be many things that will change the way u look at things.

well if you're old enough then u know that Proton quality slips after the jap start to leave. As Proton use their name instead of Mitsu. For CKD reps from Mitsu will be there at the plant to ensure quality. Thus you can be sure that all steps are done, not just pangkah only.

The unaligned plastics are caused by poor mold use by vendors. Most of the early vendors use 2nd hand mold that cannot provide the same accuracy and discarded by the Jap mfr. Then they try to design own mold/use Korean/Taiwan design mold not that successful, initially but better now (savvy).

As for machine to use to replace human… well GM try it, now bankrupt, Fiat try, i have to go and rectify. Actuallly the problem is to find the synergy between human and machine.

hatuk… we have the capacity but we still lack the infra to produce current generation of molds for plastics and steel.

if you want fuel economy today? get a savvy. my friend drove his savvy amt to penang recently, and he did it on about RM24 worth of petrol one way. sounds pretty darn impressive to me anyways.

but wait.. whats this got to do with mitsu and CKD anyways???

when will hybrid Proton come into the picture? Electric engine is needed for ordinary driver like me, so I don't have to pay high petrol prices next year! We are wasting time with any other form of 'venture' luckily. Proton don't have to buy 1.3M worth of painting

we want HYBRID!!

first of all is about parts. major foreign CBU pays every detailed attention to their parts quality and things like unaligned plastics, though do happen, but are hard to come by. meanwhile here in malaysia our parts vendors' quality… hmm faham-faham m'sian mentality lar… lower cost (thus affecting quality) and gain higher profit, so we do find parts that usually doesnt fit the screw hole/bracket/placement.

2ndly is about human factor… we m'sians do not have the mentality and culture of taking pride in our work and quality like some japs and european…. just simply pasang and tutup sebelah mata… QC? sama saja… this is our tidak-apa attitude lah… "tidak apa… any problem claim warranty saja lah, not my problem…"

machinery has no wrong… it is just doing exactly wat it is programmed to do. it's the operator and programmers fault… again the attitude…

also i do believe we malaysians can produce quality cars, be it self-designed, copied or simply CKD'ed, we have the capability and the capacity. but does the ppl in question actually utilise their true capability? we're only lacking in ppl and mentality….