The car industry in Malaysia needs more competition. Due to our set mentality that we buy cars as long as it's cheap, it would serve as a challenge to other companies to provide a safe but yet affordable car (and at the same time change the M'sians mentality and make them look for not only cheap cars but safe ones as well). The car industry has been way too comfortable, which caused their quality control to go out of hand (Proton to be exact) because where's the need in maintaining quality when people would still buy your car no matter what.

Gogochaiyo : The car is definitely not a rumour as they are already making the car seats here at a factory owned by one of Tan Chong's people in Teluk Gong. The review of the seats have been good but other than that…it's no news yet.

Now..

Who got any pics of this 'new car'?

anything other than the one paul have posted

(with a girl standing beside it)

I mean real one lar.. not hafei lobo pics

anything? the one which heavily covered like the srm?

anybody spotted anything?

or it might be rumours only

or might turn out to be a motorcycle… haha

China will be the big market in the next few years… follow by india..

China already have automobile industry since year 1953.

Why don't you all give it a try 1st?

come on… no need to pay for car test ma….

then only can prove the truth for what you've said… if not, just like empty talking, which mean talk without prove. But i'm sure that China's technology is very much higher than our's. Well, i'm not lying, you can check it online.

And my comment to Captain Grind's question:

Could Chinese automobiles be an additional, new layer between National and Korean makes?

Answer:

My answer will be yes. because china have own technology to do so.

beside, China help Pakistan, Sweden, Philipine, USA, Australia and others country to launch their satelite using "Chang Zheng" rocket since 1992. Can this use for China technology's prove?

Agreed China is a big risk. However, to choose to ignore China may be a bigger risk. Choose the wrong partner, wrong product, wrong timing and you'll be screwed.

It's predicted that small car production in China will grow by 70% in the next 7-8 years. What is the impact? Production may actually overtake demand! So, China is an important, and I daresay dangerous factor for the global auto industry. The choice for the present is to stay in China or to leave it altogether.

My message in the earlier picture is this. Everyone here seems to lump in this N2 undertaking with Alado by terming it 'China Car', but that statement oversimplifies things a bit too much. If you do more research you might see a bigger picture. What they are doing is different.

Koreans are new to the scene but have made big strides. Still not there yet, but who would have thought they would be selling as much as they are now. The Japanese aim to catch up with Europeans on the pecking order of things. Logical thought and planning from Volkswagen has seen it turning around Skoda, which was once laughed at as a brand not worth even considering. But now the Japanese have to look over their shoulder at the advancing Koreans. So right now the sandwich is National/Korean/Japanese/European in terms of pricing.

Could Chinese automobiles be an additional, new layer between National and Korean makes? Comments please!

January 5, 2006 @ 5:34 pm

i think this person is a salesman for these chinese car laa mr param…..

thats why la malaysia kena jajah dulu,because we have a traitor like this salesman in our country laa……when noh omar make a statement marah pulak…stupid idiots.

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maybe customer will die cos of stupid chinese car…..

ya la…puji la pininfarina 2 just becos chinese ambik italian…but when proton took mv..italian,,even lotus..kutuk…

still malaysian are stoooopid

- Management of complete turn-key programs, with development of dedicated platforms, complete management of supply services, management of specific programs.

- Styling with research models and prototypes, CAS (Computer Aided Styling), modelling with virtual mathematical models, virtual prototypes, scale models, CAM (Computer Aided Manufacturing), 1:1 models, verification models, Master Models.

- Product engineering with feasibility studies, mathematical definition of surfaces, CAD (Computer Aided Design), CAE (Computer Aided Engineering), Digital Mock-up, testing, validation and homologation.

- Prototypes and testing, aerodynamic and aeroacoustic analysis and research, manufacturing of special cars (show cars and one-offs).

- Process engineering with simultaneous engineering, tooling development, assembly lines development.

- Niche manufacturing with body in white, painting, trimming, final assembly lines and testing activities.

In May 1996 Pininfarina became the first Italian company providing styling, engineering and development services in the automotive field to reach an agreement with Chinese industry. The initial fruit of that agreement was the Hafei Zhongyi minivan, to which Pininfarina contributed its know-how in terms of styling, design, production of masters and prototypes, and engineering. The Zhongyi, which made its debut in China in '99 at the Beijing Motor Show and was later exhibited on the Pininfarina stand at the Geneva Motor Show, was manufactured and marketed in China in a total of around 100,000 units a year.

On the wave of the great success of this minivan in the Chinese market, Hafei awarded Pininfarina a second contract, signed in early 2001, for the styling and design of a city car, the Lobo, on show at the June 2002 Beijing Motor Show.

The technical-stylistic relationship and agreement with an independent company like Pininfarina has, on the one hand, left Hafei in the favourable position of being able to manufacture motor cars under its own brand name without necessarily having to link up with one of the major European, Japanese or American companies. And on the other, it has given Pininfarina the chance to create the image of the new brand, in complete freedom and without any constraints, given that there was no link with the themes of the past.

Now from news reports we know that key Perodua Manufacturing, Design & R&D people have moved to Naza. A smart idea, to bring in experienced people who have cut their teeth on Japanese methodology. If you ask around, you will also learn that key R&D people from Proton, and sales & service staff from Honda have also defected to Naza.

Lotus on the other hand, are experts in NVH, ride & handling. Not just for sports cars but also in line with the intended usage of the car. In this case, an urban commuter. Engine might be a Mitsubishi unit as Hafei has some tie-up to produce Mitsubishi stuff under licence.

Hafei itself is a subsidiary of Harbin Aviation. Doing stuff with Eurocopter, etc. Has dealings with Mitsubishi and produces Mitsubishi Mirage Dingo under licence. http://www.carenthusiast.com/shows/tokyo99/mitsub…

Bottom line: Let the car wars begin. In the end the customer will benefit, because competition improves the breed.

last time i thought myvi will follow daihatsu boon…same car

then name perodua boontut ka…

December 25, 2005 @ 11:41 pm

China requires foreign companies to have local partners,

why cant NAZA (or anyone) do the same with chinese companies here?

bcoz our new gov r stupid la…all other countries have protection for their own goods.not like msia,jual sayur to japan and let japan sell their cars without tax here…huhuhuhuhuhu.what a story.

December 23, 2005 @ 11:54 am

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The car is light at 850kg, and it’s 1.1 liter engine makes 46kW at 5700rpm and 85Nm of torque at 3000rpm. Top speed is 130km/h.

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Supposed to be UNDERPOWER car. High Risk to drive. Nanti jadi macam kancil 660, mati katak sebab memotong tak lepas.

So avoid / or boicot this car. I dun want to see anyone get killed by underpower-car .

P1 Savvy is better twice than this car.

can anyone tell me what’s the meaning of = Hafei Lobo .

sounds jerk for me , tak sedap langsung..

perhaps.. naza maybe change it to : Naza Lobo, or Lobang. haha

betul apa yg mitsu galantvr4 turbo besar dgn wastegate cakap….kereta ni tak pass pun crash test.nak bunuh rakyat malaysia n buat duit jer diaorang tau…kereta cina buta ni masa test,semua cabin dia collapse…kalau accident sure mati frog punye rakyat malaysia…kalau ye pun nak buat duit,biarlah kereta tu selamat skit..

If you wish too much for the best car, why dun you buy BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, AR…… compare to these low price car you talking about?

Did you notice that malaysia is earning own ppl's money by selling national car in higher price compare to our exported national car? what different with exported car? (exported car quality is better than own use one).

I say give comment about P1 and P2 cars because i drive b4. But china's car, not yet test it, i'm waiting for my uncle to get his china car, then i'll test it.

December 30, 2005 @ 2:56 pm

I see that you hooked up Naza with Hafei. However I read on a Malaysian website that Naza’s partner will be a company from Chongqing region.

Now, Chongqing Changan recently announced that they will assemble their CM8 in Malaysia.

If you add the two separate news stories together, I’d say there’s a fair chance that N2 will assemble the Changan CM8:
http://www.globalautoindex.com/model.plt?no=4253&…

Regards,

Pal

—> the models was Hafei LOBO….

its really stated thats dis car was design by Pininfarina with 1.1L engine (frm JApan)

HAfei Lobo body frame will be Naza Compact car…

December 27, 2005 @ 11:36 am

I think P1 doing good in automotive industry which they keep improving on their products for the sake of peoples….Look guys! Nw we can have the national car with TUV certified….with their own design….

are u brainless?? or still at breast feeding age?? asking us to be proud of our national scrap piece of rubbish??asking us to donate our blood to that endless blood sucking P1??

Now, Chongqing Changan recently announced that they will assemble their CM8 in Malaysia.

If you add the two separate news stories together, I'd say there's a fair chance that N2 will assemble the Changan CM8:
http://www.globalautoindex.com/model.plt?no=4253&…

Regards,

Pal

Y this company with their passion in exotic cars wanna brings this crap inside our mkt??? y dun they look at the europe mkt for the similiar product and bring it to Malaysia….? because china made is cheap and they can gained much profit or easy for them to assemble and mkt to Malaysian. This car will be another failure project for Naza…after their china motorcycles..Hw bout the after sales & service?? As we know that most of malaysian already hv their second car and who's Naza target group?? The student? or for young exec.? or for housewives? or for Low income group…. for me rather than buying these Hafei Lobo product they'll confident in buying P2 (Kancil or Kelisa) or P1 (Savvy)…..

As we know P2 is developing a KRM (Kancil Replacement Model) soon, which much cheaper than this Naza ****** 1.1 , i bet that this car will not sell rapidly likes savvy or myvi….. The price of This Naza ****** 1.1 will start at RM 35k

launching soon!!

There is still significant poverty in Malaysia

In its article titled “The Mahathir Mystique”, Newsweek, (23 November 2003) terms Malaysia as an Asian success story where “the percentage of Malaysian households that fall below the poverty line has plunged from nearly 50 per cent to an estimated 6 per cent in 2000.” The figures quoted by Newsweek are lifted from Mahathir’s 2004 budget speech in Parliament on 12 September 2003. From the horses’ mouth as they say — but unfortunately some horses have learnt to bluff!

The poverty line

Generally speaking, the poverty rate can be lowered by two methods. The first is by raising the income of the poorer families to above the poverty line. The second method, and undoubtedly the easier option, is to lower the poverty line itself!

Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school?

Malaysian household income distribution as quoted in the Eighth Malaysia Plan is pictured in Table 1 — with 75 per cent of Malaysian households earning below RM3,000 per month and 25 per cent of households earning below RM1,000 monthly. The same document (8MP) also specifies the poverty line for Semenanjung Malaysia as RM540 per month for a family of five individuals. Is this a realistic figure?

A living wage?

Table 1 – Household Income (RM/month)

More than RM5,000 9.8%

RM4,001 – RM5,000 5.5%

RM3,001 – RM4,000 9.6%

RM2,001 – RM3,000 17.4%

RM1,001 – RM2,000 32.7%

RM501 – RM1,001 20.0%

Less than RM500 5.0%

Source: Eighth Malaysia Plan.

Can a family of five survive on an income of RM550 per month, given the cost of living in Malaysia today? Where would they live? And can their children go to school? Yet given the government’s definition, they would not be classified as being poor.

At a meeting with 60 factory workers in Sg Siput recently, we asked them to suggest a reasonable household budget, and the outcome of that exercise is summarized in Table 2. The participants felt that the cost of buying a house and a small allocation for savings must be part of a balanced family budget. In their opinion, any family with a household budget of below RM1,750 would be facing economic hardship;

A realistic poverty line

Table 2 – Household Expenditure (per month)

House Loan 400

Marketing 300

Groceries 300

School expenses 200

Motorbike 150

Medical/Clothes 100

Festivals/Trips 100

Light/Water/Phone 100

Insurance/savings 100

Total RM1,750

In Britain and in several other countries in the European Union, the poverty line is defined as one half the average household income. In Malaysia, the average household income is RM3,200 per month. Half this figure would be RM1,600. In other words if we used the definition used in Britain, households earning less than RM1,600 per month would be considered as poor! If RM1,600 per month is taken as the realistic poverty line, then around 50 per cent of Malaysians are poor — see the Income Pyramid overleaf — and this is the level of poverty as quoted by Mahathir for 1970!

No one is denying that there has been significant growth in the national economy. Per capita income (Per capita income = total income of the nation for that year divided by the population) has soared from RM1,132 in 1970 to RM13,683 presently! (Incidently, this would work out to an average household income of RM5,534 per month.) However as the income distribution pyramid depicts, the distribution of income in Malaysia is skewed towards the rich, and there is still significant poverty in Malaysia.

Perhaps the most incredulous aspect of Malaysia’s poverty statistics is that it hasn’t been challenged by the mainstream media nor by the academicians. Big Brother’s doublespeak (term used by Orwell in his book 1984) apparently rules supreme in Malaysia today!

Actually P1 has done everythin for the Malysian but they didn't notice.

For example, when P1 buys the stake in Lotus UK, most of Malysian didn't support or proud of the success of P1. Ppl can't expect sumthin happened quickly from the Lotus UK owning in 1 years times but since the take over period, P1 doing a lots of research to produce a quality car for us… But Malaysian ppl still wanted to buy Toyota, Honda, KIA and Hyundai. Can u notice that hw many years those Koreans been manufactured their car? They even younger than P1 in the industry. and because the $$$ was cheaper than our national car, ppl bought it but they didn't notice that the fuel consumption is very high. The cars was cheap because, the dealer simply declared the duty as low as they can and sell the car competitive with our national car.

Remembered that P1 also have to paid the tax to gov and that why the $$$ slightly higher compared to other country. Well if you guys enough mature, you can think and have your owned solution in comparing P1 (built with passion) and rebadge car (P2 & Naza) that built for $$$. P2 is slightly ok and better than Naza because they focus on the after sales & service and customer cares but Naza is totally different from P1 & P2.

To Muthu, if you don't knw nothin bout the industry pls do not give any of ur crap comments.

U should learned more!

Again, from conceptualise, design, prototyping, engineering, engines, Fabricating, QC, production, all involved foreign expertise. Someone rightly pointed it out in other comments. They only mass-pro like any other assemblers. Local content? Who cares about local content? You can source from wherever you find reliable and cheap, or else you cant stay competitive.

Ever wonder why foreign makes still able to sell at a price range so close to proton even after tax?

Btw, they do copy and paste too, but with more input. That is not saying copy and paste is not good. In fact, it is.

So shall we say P1 is just half a national car?

to me, the only national car in Malaysia is P1.

P2, Naza, Inokom, are merely assemblers.

Copy & paste = money

China also got good quality one…

did you all noticed that 80% of your computer chips, boards and other acessories (even branded one) are made in china?

China make their own jets since 1960s. Did Malaysia did that?

China help many country (including USA) to launch their satelite with low cost, can Malaysia do that?

China launch no human space capsule (shen zhou 1 to 4) and Space capsule with human (shen zhou 5 and 6) to space, returned successfully and become the 3rd country with space technology after Russia and USA, when will Malaysia do that?

Lets say a spanner, china can product a same size spanner with different quality due to your money, the question is, how much you're able to pay? Peoples keep looking for cheaper and cheaper thing, so that, low cost thing with low quality appeared. Whos fault is that? it's consumer, not producer.

PLEASE Stop blamming China or other countries for the low quality stuff. please, study all the thing before start the comment.

December 27, 2005 @ 9:29 am

4G63T said,

December 27, 2005 @ 8:06 am

relax la brader….. they all cakap2 kosong aje….. cam lepak2 kat kedai kopi…. at the N of the day nothing happen……

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all in all i agree with muthu!

bleh…..