Looks like even though a draft response had been written, Proton will not be doing any additional explanation regarding the sale of MV Agusta to Gevi SpA to the public as requested by the joint letter by Tun Dr. M and Tengku Mahaleel.
Proton says all the necessary details had already been provided in it’s announcement to Bursa Malaysia, therefore Proton will not be making any additional statements on the matter despite the request by the TM duo.
Looks like there will not be any additional drama for the time being until the next salvo is shot by the TM duo.
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hmmm….i thought so….good for you proton…
Looks like Nobody will Cares about TM and DM comments anymore!!
YAU MOU GAU….CHOR!!!
Wah… no more comments means Dr M got no more say in Proton as adviser… Got show to see… got show to see…!!
Tun will definitely not take this lightly. He's used to getting responses and attention and you can bet he'll make a statement soon. Got some face-saving maneuvers to do.
This is a mind-boggling response from Proton. Even though the 2TM may no longer have any direct control towards Proton , this response may just imply that there is indeed something more than meet the eyes.
The one statement that I fully agree on the queries from the 2TM is that Proton is a NATIONAL car. At such it must view the concerned public as one of stakeholders – though not directly.
I think & hope that Tun Mahathir will not take this quietly. He must push for explanation. The truth should prevail and the someone has got to collect this pile of shit and shove it in………
he mean he doing his business, n that's his own business?
how about who we got semi-constraint to support their bloody product? he forgot how he can survive without sacrifice freedom of whole M'sia rakyat to get their dream car but hell you national car?
Well, the tiger seems to ROAR against the 2 TM… while the 2 TM seems to seek advantages to get into trouble with some issue again.. AP seems no solution to it…. now explanation of Augusta.. dun wan reply pulak..
proton's response has sort of a "F*CK OFF" stance to it. good work
wa no respect to our mahathir.. better get ready for some ass grinding…
i am SAD…
Why at this important hour… We are still fighting among ourself….
the longer we fight… 30,000 wokers or more will suffer….
Dont fight…. work together… first.. then.. talk …..fight fight…. made other people.. get ready to kill… us….
Sayang sayang…… the old 1 like that.. the young 1 also litke that…..
well done proton don't fall into the monyets trap!
rofl proton haizz say bb to proton buy perodua car aka daihatsu
yeah sure…nobody will admit their mistakes….whats the point of explaining their own mistakes to public cos that will just make their stupid brain look more stupid…
hahhahahahahahah…..see…more to it than meets the eyes….
i smell something fishy…
but still there's a lot of ignorance malaysian public who doesnt want to know what happen to their tax money..or dont care what happen to their fuel subsidy money…
maybe there are singaporeans?…who knows?…just bash bash bash..
first they draft a response…show to the board..the board terkejut katak cos..haiya…u all made deal behind backs and made a lot of money for ur own ka?…then rugi cos of selling cars with discounts all ur margin.(remember edar CEO admit it)(but azlan only report that market share naik)(kaki bodek just 2 tipu rakyat).then rugi…nevermind says the chairman…let's blame this on MV..after all malaysian are blindles basher…believe anything..
after this rugi..blame lotus…then tanjung malim…after that…cabut la…already pulun all the cash proton has…dont worry…rakyat dont want to know the truth..
i support both actually, answer & dun answer. Answer coz there is indeed many question not only the sale of MVA but the doings of proton. Dun answer coz wanna show that the 2 TMs………that they r in exile liao, dun play-play ah!!!!
I TELL YOU AR. DUN PLAY-PRAY YE!!!!
haiya..masa TDM dan proton beli AGUSTA takder sapa tanyer reason beli this company..tapi sekarang lain pulak jadi nyer
i think the reason that they dont want to answer is because they're afraid that the public will know what are their wrong doing in proton now…its just show us that our G link company is not transparent to us,they didnt respect us as a taxpayer who wanna know what are they doin with all our money….
now,we dont know how to find the answer anymore,ask proton?they dont want to answer..ask mr no comment?he will definitly says"let them do their jobs,all i wnna say is,let us all sell batik to the world"…..
its a sad thing that we dont get the answer of all the Glink company,MAS,PROTON,AP KING,ETC…..they treated us like we're nobody,we are not important to them…i remember that mr no comment once's said that his G will be transparent to all malaysian community….yeah,transparent in stupid case like the nude squat case,other cases?….i dont think so man..
i do hope that t.mahathir will not stop talking..he's the only hope the public have towards the new G….
ah, guys, now only beginning… still got lot more come to show… no worry…
but in fact, the 2TM only want to clear their position to public that they not doing any mistake while buying Agusta. they just want to draw a line with the current sale of the Agusta in 1Euro.
this is my personal opinion.
cheers…
i think tak payah la proton jawab…si jolly aka investment banker dan ntah ape2 lagi jawatan dia (siap cakap pakai driver lagi)sibuknye dia and zontwi lotus uk la bla bal bla tapi main cni time rehat malaysia je can answer la…ye la..from dulu lagi i work lotus la..talk to proton…inside info…been to lotus uk la maybe sleep with proton gays olso to get info…semua dia tahu…can give essay explaination lagi…no need to verify betul ke tak…huhuhuhuhuhuhuuhhuuhhuhuhuuhhuhuhuu….maybe i can ask some college students to write essay here and make up some stories too…uhuhhuhuhu…then if people question me…i just say..i've been to proton…inside info…i investment banker…i've been to lotus uk…my hubby works at proton la…then tiba2 i work in lotus uk plakkkkkk….uhuhhuuhuuhu
betul la param cakap…itu jolly roger memang mau sorok facts…dont want the rakyat to know..
Hmm, so far no comment from the Jap engine number and his sidekick. I wonder what they think about Proton now?
come on guys…respect others okay….u only make ppl feel disgusting towards u…give me proof and dont just attack the lawyer-that is what the judge will say…
AntiStupid said,
January 7, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
come on guys…respect others okay….u only make ppl feel disgusting towards u…give me proof and dont just attack the lawyer-that is what the judge will say…
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yeah,try to say that to mr know all jolly rogers the brother to kenny rogers…..he will write u an fictional essay for u,FOC….his essay is longer than what paul write here…hehehehe.
i bet that azlan is scared to death right now…u see for urself la,proton said it will make a promo,proton edar said that it wil not make any promo after losing so much….hmmmm…
somethings going on in laetitia husband,speed junkie and jollys office…they seems to be fighting with each other now…lets just wait and see what happen to the new management…
one thing i know for sure is proton will go bankcrupt if that penguin face azlan is still there..he will sell lotus after this im sure.maybe for 50cent..
p/s:tell me earlier if u really wanna sell lotus for 50 cent..i wanna but it la..
shaymen said,
January 7, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
p/s:tell me earlier if u really wanna sell lotus for 50 cent..i wanna but it la..
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problem is the 50 million those bastards are asking for commission la kawan…
under table…but this is a big table…proton says…hahhahahahahh
ntah la shaymen…overhead proton now naik like crazy…everything goes up even chief of security salary can buy kancil one for each month…haahhahahahah…waahhhh damn laetita husband sure also naik gaji la…
then rugi blame MV….
then rugi blame LOTUS
and then and then and then and then and then and then……
annddd theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnn…..
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AntiStupid said,
January 7, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
come on guys…respect others okay….u only make ppl feel disgusting towards u…give me proof and dont just attack the lawyer-that is what the judge will say…
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proof is that the proton board is scared shitless to reveal what their chairman did with MV that they did not want to reveal it to the public…
and if tun and tm is sooo wrong than why are they the ones who is pressing proton to reveal everything…
pepatah melayu…berani kerana benar
i agree with param.. someone is trying to hide something.. just pay 1 euro and you own MVA.. wow. absurb… savvy??
haiyah ask TM become PM backlah. Who ask him to step down.
proton share surely will not gain by this…..
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AntiStupid said,
January 8, 2006 @ 5:32 am
proton share surely will not gain by this…..
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ahhhh..but according to jolly roger…sure go up…he's an investment banker la..LOL..
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nabeh said,
January 7, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
i agree with param.. someone is trying to hide something.. just pay 1 euro and you own MVA.. wow. absurb… savvy??
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For the sake of better discussion…
although some debat is going in here. still some of us have some an uncomplete info. It was 1euro + 300 mill of debt to be more accurate le. :)
for me though, theres many pro and cons for proton to do it, even some points that the double TM pointed out were also accountable. Then again. i'll just wait and see. If they do a good job than they are worthy sucessors, if they screwed up then they are better being kicked out.
The tribe has spoken to choose on who's going to be the new CEO, so let give him some time to face the for immunity and reward challanges. if failled, so again the tribe will be voting out the CEO and replace with others.
Draft has ben prepared….to/or by th eboard..
Then decided….not for the public….
Emmmmm…i smell somethimg fishy there…
Proton board is trying to hid something under the carpet…
If they believe what they have done is correct …why no so brave to response to the queries…
Th epublic are also ….searching for the answer …
drmuzi
Joe said,
January 8, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
For the sake of better discussion…
although some debat is going in here. still some of us have some an uncomplete info. It was 1euro + 300 mill of debt to be more accurate le. :)
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yeah and they dont have to pay it till 2007….
Joe said,
January 8, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
for me though, theres many pro and cons for proton to do it, even some points that the double TM pointed out were also accountable. Then again. i’ll just wait and see. If they do a good job than they are worthy sucessors, if they screwed up then they are better being kicked out.
The tribe has spoken to choose on who’s going to be the new CEO, so let give him some time to face the for immunity and reward challanges. if failled, so again the tribe will be voting out the CEO and replace with others.
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but they already screw up with their latest promotion that ended up in losses…then sadly they try to blame it on MV…
what really worries me if the new management is capable of hiding this and selling this and blaming that…maybe lotus and tanjung malim is the next scapegoat..wait and see…
berani kerana benar is what the two TM is trying to say i think
Joe said,
January 8, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
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hey joe….
i think u dont understand the type of game they were playin laaa….they are playin hide and seek u know….azlan try to hide,the two tm try to seek the truth for malaysian citizen…..if the two tm loses,we are the victim at the end.trust me..even now we are the one suffering with all the price hike.
this proton problem senang saja la shaymen…
just fire laetitas husband a** la……traitor no1.
after this we all sell kangkong la kat jipun…..hehehehehehe.can make lots of money wooo…modal murah saje what,kangkong kutip tepi longkang then sell to jipun..if want to make car,must have money….thats why la mr no comment wanna sell them all……..hehehehehehehehe.
paramsingwalia said,
January 8, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
this proton problem senang saja la shaymen…
just fire laetitas husband a** la……traitor no1.
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of cos laaa mr param….but that seems the hardest thing to do la.
mr no comment is braindead,control by his son in law,the next pm….hehehehe.if we dont fight them,our kid will be at the roadside like in indon laa next time for sure.sellin thing at the traffic light.aiyoooo….
no more middle class.the rich gettin richer,the poor gettin poorer….
betul la shaymen…lots of traitor and salesmen in proton and malaysia…sell sell sell and get commision…dont know how to do biz…just sell everything…like littlespoiled rich kid..so stupid..when daddy die just sell off his empire..untill everything gone…nothing left for his son…jadi hooker tepi jalan la that time…
and for those yesman to the spoiled rich kid..jolly,laetitia.zongtwi etc etc…just like parasites…
say it with me la gang……."kerja sama sayyyaaaaaa"..
hehehehehehehehehehehehehe…
kerja sama saya….uhuk uhuk uhuk uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkk….
bukan untuk saya uhuk uhk uhk………………
but he's just a salesman….how to work for him?all he does is play golf with our neighbour….
To Shaymen & Param :
I agreee to some of the points that both of you bring up.
I for one is hoping & waiting for some concrete response from Proton regarding the MV sale & at the same time the reason of the purchase at the first place. Which end of it is FISHY is yet to be seen. At this moment of course , we can only wait.
BUT FOR HEAVEN SAKE DON'T SPOIL THIS BLOG BY NAME CALLING THOSE THAT DOES NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION. THIS WILL JUST PUT OFF SOME PEOPLE FROM FROM VOICING THEIR OPINION.
TRY TO AGREE & DISAGREE IN A ADULT MANNER ( THOUGH I AM NOT SURE HOW ADULT YOU ARE ACTUALLY ).
Finally , loosen up. Don't have to take all this too seriously. Cheers.
adult enough not to make stupid claims of being insider lotus engineer, investment banker,wife of proton who knows what bla bla bla…ehehehehehheh
if i am not mistaken mahathir is on proton's payroll… not the other way around.
employees should listen to their employer
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swee said,
January 8, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
if i am not mistaken mahathir is on proton’s payroll… not the other way around.
employees should listen to their employer
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if like that,proton is under the rakyat payroll…they should listen,explain and be transparent to all of us..except a few here who for some fishy/personal reason dont want to be explain.
and this includes all GLC's
it still hold it, proton sure habis.. lucky they released it!!!
stevarac said,
January 8, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
To Shaymen & Param :
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im adult enough not to be a blind basherand like mr param said,adult enough not to make stupid claim like he's the prime minister,working at lotus,proton,mas,telekom and whatsoever…..opps!lupa lak,adult enough not to write an fictional essay here…
paramsingwalia said,
January 8, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
kerja sama saya….uhuk uhuk uhuk uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkk….
bukan untuk saya uhuk uhk uhk………………
but he’s just a salesman….how to work for him?all he does is play golf with our neighbour….
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we just copy what our pm is doing….play golf also laaa,then started to sell everything.
swee said,
January 8, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
if i am not mistaken mahathir is on proton’s payroll… not the other way around.
employees should listen to their employer
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miss swee,
where do u get this fact?……from laetitia?speed junkie?or jolly bean ahh?
aiyo amoi aaa…like param said laa,if that is the case…they should be transparent with all of us laaa….why dont they do that?
shaymen said;
im adult enough not to be a blind basherand like mr param said,adult enough not to make stupid claim like he’s the prime minister,working at lotus,proton,mas,telekom and whatsoever….
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Well , by all means continue to engage in poiting out your point of view. If they are not what they claim to be , then it may not be difficult to debate and debunk their point of views.
ASSUMING THE OTHER PARTY IS BULL-SHITTING DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT FOR YOU TO START NAME CALLING.
You can either continue to engage in your debate or simple ignoring will do. Remember that it is not possible make everyone agree to your point of views even though you may think it is the absolutely right. That is what adults in a free world have to live with.
I for one also think that we Malaysian car owners have been paying way too much for our cars in the name of supporting our car industries and at such Proton should disclose the reasons on the MV purchase & subsequent selling as a matter of transparency & public interest.
BUT HEY ! IT'S JUST MY OPINION. IT IS ALRIGHT TO DISAGREE.
Cheers.
If proton is national car, then it must answer to the rakyat. Give the rakyat an answer with national pride.
I fully agree with Stevarac as this would encourage more people to give your constructive comments and thus have a balance view of any topics posted by Paul and of course this is also represent my own view.
stevarac said,
January 9, 2006 @ 10:56 am
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hello stevengerard,
do i force u to follow me?i dont think so man…u can say whatever u wanna say.
being an adult,doesnt mean u can think straight,doesnt mean everything u said is true….see like speedjunkie,jolly,laetitia,zahrul and so..they claim they know everything bout proton,u go ahead try to disagree with them…
they will write u an essay to confuse u,to make u believe in them…
Oops! said,
January 9, 2006 @ 11:36 am
I fully agree with Stevarac as this would encourage more people to give your constructive comments and thus have a balance view of any topics posted by Paul and of course this is also represent my own view.
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come on la weiii…..give ur comment laaa…im okay with it….just dont try to write an essay to show that,what u say is 'gerenti' true,everybody must believe in u..then i'l be the one disagreeing with u la brader…:)
PAUL,
Y THEY ALL ACT LIKE KIDS?? TILL I NO MOOD TO READ THE REST OF COMMENTS, WASTING MY TIME ONLY.
Hello brother shaymen,
i agree with Stevarac doesn't mean i don't agree with your points. I understand your point and for sake i also want GLC to be transparent. But then the way you reply is to harsh…..
cheers! I support transparency but tone down a bit lar…
Oops! said,
January 9, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
Hello brother shaymen,
i agree with Stevarac doesn’t mean i don’t agree with your points. I understand your point and for sake i also want GLC to be transparent. But then the way you reply is to harsh…..
cheers! I support transparency but tone down a bit l
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ooohhhh!!!…..okay la like that.
shaymen said,
January 9, 2006 @ 11:38 am
hello stevengerard,
do i force u to follow me?i dont think so man…u can say whatever u wanna say.
being an adult,doesnt mean u can think straight,doesnt mean everything u said is true….see like speedjunkie,jolly,laetitia,zahrul and so..they claim they know everything bout proton,u go ahead try to disagree with them…
they will write u an essay to confuse u,to make u believe in them…
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That is what I mean by engaging in a debate/discussion. They might have written an essay to explain their points of view.There is nothing wrong with that ! You can of course reply back with a whole chapter. The thing is there are lots of people who may not agree with them. The choice is either to ignore those essays or continue to engage in a civilised ( see ? I stop using adult ) manner.
Right , you did not force me to agree with you…. but sometime when you used certain harsh language , others may construed that as coercion.
There is a saying " Tua siah bei chun " Talk loud may not mean right !!!
Take it easy bro…. enjoy the new Saleen from Paul. Cheers.
stevarac said,
January 9, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
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i dont think u understand me here…their essay is a fictional one,it will confuse all confused malaysian ppl…i dont want that to happen to my countrymen..
if its really a good comment,takde putar belit,i dont care…say la what u wanna say…
well… what gives u the right to determine whose essay are fictional and whose essay are representative of truth? nobody wants u to be the self-appointed moral guardian here…
so does that makes opinions contrary to ur beliefs and opinions are "fictions" all the way? hmm… another closed minded person…
u should have learnt something from me and zarul in the "proton basher" thread… though we have different opinion but that doesnt mean we shall fight till death defending our points, nor making mockery of others who doesnt stand on the same side. keep an open mind, agree to disagree… that's what discussions are for. not to convert others to ur cause!
now that paul has set a stricter posting requirements, and i dare say, it's all started bcoz of u and param!
i wonder.. if something do happen..
will i be able to own a BMW? or will i be able to get a new proton cheaper?
i wonder…
i wonder.. will the voice in here be heard up there?
maybe somebody should start a petition letter.. asking for reasoning.. if appropriate..
hmm… even the 2 TMs are ignored when Proton says "no additional explanation necessary", what is there left for us the rakyat yang sering ditindas? ft chance they'll ever isten!
Well looks like we miss a chance to see the true colour of Proton. Perhaps the answer will expose too many bad apples of mismanagement in Proton.
Anyway, as proton's car owner I would be happy to read some explanation about the MVA as it give an insights on how the automotive industry in Malaysia make their decision.
Eventhough PM applauded transparency in Govt services, the private sector still shy away from it. Trade secret maybe, hopefully Proton new management know their direction and be honest with locals.
By buying in the technological company is the easiest way to obtain their proprietory technical knowhow. Euro 70Million for Augusta is cheaper than and more polite way of obtaining the designs knowhow and secretcy rather than sending spy as what have the Japanese T company to steal the designs from America C company in early 70's and facing a lawsuit for copy right issues. The same goes to Taiwan technology company who employ ex-Cornnings design engineer and fall into the copyright lawsuits on glass processing for LCD display.
We buy it, means we owned it. We owned it, means we can make it. Is todays terms as technological transfer. More officials, The tangible saving is indefinate compared to lawsuits which will cause more millions of Euros if doing it unpolitely.
As since the 1997 finiancial crisis, the Korean company have been rise up so fast and make their appearence in the market strongly were due to this techniques. LG twinning/buying into Hitachi for DVD Writers Technology, Samsung is partnering with Toshiba, BenQ partnering with Philips, IBM sold their manufacturing business to the Chinese, and so on…, but Proton new management did not see this, and make their wrong assumption on this hidden benifits, thought they already gotton the assets.
Is the so called lost of their Millions are going to be contra with some other could not be announced losses ?
sadly…we are going the wrong way now…agriculture.forget about industrial says new govt…
now lets those glc's be transparent pls?we as rakyat should be pressing for this..not oppose this…like those few here.
Hey this paramsingvwalia is "Muthu" nickname. Wheres de wht 4g13p?
HatukNgkau said,
January 9, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
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ive said the essay are fictional because u dont know what ur talking about…u just cut n paste it from anywhere u find on the internet…dont know if its true or not….why cant we ask proton to give an answer to us,be transparent.dont do anything fishy bcos we are the taxpayer.its a simple thing to do if proton dont wanna hide something from us…..
paul made it hard because of the ppl writing essay here la i think…buat serabut tempat ni ajer..
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neversoft said,
January 14, 2006 @ 10:38 am
Hey this paramsingvwalia is “Muthu†nickname. Wheres de wht 4g13p?
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what are u talking about aaaaa…
cakap..cakap….tut…kenapa kau tak cakap ….tut…