Expecting more price reduction comming….

WAJA duties imposed…RM 14k over for the excise duty and and over 5k of sales tax…if the G willing to reduce…aaaaa what the hell.

HAIL THE G!!!

mmm…the sales person rev the car as high as 4000rpm (trying to impress me) and it only manage to clock 30km/h before shift to second gear..

is that a car…anyone??

its bullshit man….the acceleration, one must rev high to enable the car to move (sighs)…interior…wow. i like it. like u said. full of leather. but performance wise…naaaaa…contradict my expectation.

with the 110hp @ 6000rpm, my MYvi can simply chicken this campro eventhough the myvi clock 88bhp @ 6600rpm. hahahaha…wakakakaka..but ..huk huk….the interior of myvi, the sit fabric, door trim…dashboard even the carpet…if RUBBISH…looks CHEAP. huk huk

CHOU MI AE JEK!!!!

are consumers willing to pay?
in most instances, NO. i’ve seen customers negotiating with Proton Edar salesmen to remove every damn accesories, standard accesories included…
reason given? no need.. nak murah sudah…
those might be only a handful, or just the tip of the iceberg…
most consumers are bargain hunter nowadays… they’d rather go for cheap..
and then following up to be hypocrites and complain the the cheap stuff they bought isn’t good.. like HELLO?
you get what you pay, remember?

will the manufacturers absorb the upgrade?
subjectical matter.. depends a lot on WHO/WHY/WHERE/WHEN….
some will absorb, for the sake of their REPUTATION…
other would not, for the sake of the margin earnings…

my view on the Proton issue remains as such:-
- it needs a REAL rebadging… changes to the people in charge.. them or their attitudes… make things work, not costly… and certainly not a new thundercat logo that spells rebadged..
- POLITICS should stay away from it… TOTALLY..

i laud proton’s move to FINALLY implement the CAMPRO into the WAJA, especially since the rumours was let out by their own people years ago..
like what the commentors before me had already said…
a good move to finally ease the burden of the R&D costs burdened by Proton…
however, that also does not come with immediate effect, always remember that no matter whatever cost saving projects launched, might still seem expensive at first..
but once the balls starts rolling, the costs will eventually be cheaper… and affordable….

btw, if this waja is actually more expensive by only RM300 compared to the pre-CAMPRO models…
i actually call that a lot cheaper because of the amounts of upgrade they’ve done to the trim…

January 18, 2006 @ 5:52 am
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agree with u..

i’m one of the malaysians who will stand up and fight..we cannot afford to let those buggers screw us….i will never shut up and let people walk all over me..malaysia is not only for one person/family to get personal wealth…

a lot of people are condemning proton based on investment banker la,financial analysist la…do u ever know who they are…here’s a clue taken from a clip of
article.

Proton vendors need to buck up
By Doreen Leong

ECM Libra Securities Sdn Bhd analyst Lucius Chong says all is not lost
for Proton as eventually it will be able to strike a deal with another
foreign carmaker.

“I won’t write off Proton as yet. The government won’t let it fail. There
is always value to a national asset. Other carmakers would take note of
Proton’s entry into the Southeast Asia market, which is a growing
market,” he adds.

He says with not much bargaining power left, any future deal could end up
unfavourable to valuations and Proton shareholders.
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see who handles the media and proton and all glc’s?please do some reseach on ecm libra la friend,no wonder pantai had been sold to singapore…telekom sold…mas slowly being sold…proton also….now dont tell me there’s no commision…

and its not the petronas issue selling oil outside la that makes people poor…its these a few group in the power family who is selling our country for power and wealth…

“Petronas and government profit from it, but does the rakyat? even if the government claims to have distributed the profit to development, was it done fairly? we still have hardcore poor in those neglected kampungs while the government are busying itself with creating and launching white elephant mega projects!”

since we only get to know the general world oil price at US$60 per barrel, US$65 per barrel, so and so per barrel, but do we actually know how much that Petronas sold to others? surely it must be higher than the prevailing market price, but how much? dont u wonder what and how the government/Petronas is doing to our national resources which is supposed to belong to all of us and not some crony in particular?

i would, if i am in the position to do something, rather than sitting here shooting nonsense remark to everyone that doesnt agree with me… however i knew that i have one basic right that i can use every 5 years or so… i’d be using it wisely, as i had always been.

now, u dont have to tell me which party to vote for, do u?

our oil is higher quality..its a waste to use here…

after u find the facts,..then write another essay about ur oil again..

Selling our oil to outside and buying pak arab oil. Because, our / here’s oil price is high quality. Possibly only can be use for jet/boeing bla bla without much process. But the arab oil kinda normal, not so special, and must cost more for refining it to make it able for plane bla bla..

That’s mean : (contoh)
1 tong minyak kita boleh jual RM100
1 tong minyak arab boleh jual RM60.

tidakkah lebih bijak kita jual yang mahal ambil yang murah? ..
Go study!

At least, there’s no anothers great at least in ‘this’ teritori aaa.. Almost also influence by Malaysia. I dun think our gov so suck.. yes.. it’s ‘poor part’ a bit, but BETTER THAN ANOTHERS.

Proton is not a childish anymore.. it’s just had a Papa those think their chlid is always bad like that.

GO! build your another G if you like. As i 1 myself, never ever can change even a state!

our market here, not limited to auto industry, are hugely artificially guided and misaligned. first of all, why would the government put huge fuel subsidy in the first place? we have our own fuel, we wont be affected by world oil price, just like what Brunei did, but stil Government set up Petronas to sell our oil overseas whike buying oil from pak Arabs… and expose ourselves to the risk of everchanging world oil price!

sure, Petronas and government profit from it, but does the rakyat? even if the government claims to have distributed the profit to development, was it done fairly? we still have hardcore poor in those neglected kampungs while the government are busying itself with creating and launching white elephant mega projects! and u’re asking me to consider the plight of those villagers? man, u’re barking at the wrong tree here…

from artificial fuel price, leads to artificial sense of invincibility everywhere… stufs are considerably cheap, low cost of production (energy, raw material) to transportation (fuel again) to almost everything! hence our average salary reflects the total buying power in accordance to what we sell in the market…

as world fuel price goes up, inflation rises, and cost of living shot up… however do we see our income rise? maybe yes, to some extent but the income rate of increase has never caught up with the rate of inflation. slowly but surely we’re feeling the pinch of weakening buying power…

the government had spent too much on those failed and/or one-off and/or “still-not-making-any-profit” mega projects, and to keep this mega projects alive, money has to be poured into them, protections and barriers had to be built around them… well, that’s what we see with MAS and Proton, doesn’t it?

imagine if the government have less interference in the market… only do the necessary to keep it out of control but enough to let the market (and the industries) grows by itself… we wont have such prohibitive tax controls, we wont have such stupid laws and regulations in place to protect governments pet… maybe we’d have seen these GLCs become a very competitive entity, to be the envy of other private corporate entities…

but alas, it never happened, and will never be. there are still many ppl around who, instead to work for national good, works for their own personal agenda… thus we the true rakyat stil stuck with lousy cars at exhorbitant price while the keris-waving “patriotic nationalist” happily enjoying driving in his Hummer.

my grouse mainly on the government? yeah, to some extent… Proton are always governed by somebody either directly and indirectly linked to the government, doesn’t it? most of our laws and policies are formulated with Proton in mind doesn’t it? Morally and ethically, Proton is part of government wasn’t it?

all in all, it’s a ripple/domino effect. one action here will leads to other consequences in totally different, seemingly unrelated industry, either good or bad…

last word, i’m not here to make enemies. i’m here to share what i know to others… they, including u, may choose to accept and together we study on it, or we counter argue without having to resort to shooting each other and calling names… that is so childish… we are grown ups, not a whining child like Proton!

January 16, 2006 @ 5:12 pm

proton make a basic model so that the poor can afford to buy it…proton is not selfish like some pig here..
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yes..still pay taxes summore for rakyat’s fuel…unlike those koreans cars which dont pay sh*t…..

Well, who’s want more safety, just pay de $. Who’s not, thn just b xtra careful otr. Buy heavy insurance mayb & write a WILL too.

proton plant in indonesia…u see,under mahaleel he’s always thinking forward…under new management….sell of,rebadge…stop development,take commision and makan gaji buta main golf..hahahahahah

Kancil with AirBag and ABS VS Volvo kotak . = accident sape menang? .
Nak semua bende kualiti gila BAB* . tapi baru tambah RM300 lebih dari harga biasa dah bising.. padahal sudah tambah leatherseat bla blabla .

Tak test pun dah cakap tak best. Blah laa.

Campro – Engine/Sparepart Price will be down IF banyak engine itu digunakan. Sama macam engine mitsubishi. Afsal pandang cikai sangat ke engine campro tu? . Akan digunakan serata dunia juga. So possiblity harga dia akan turun.

BTW. proton patut bukak KILANG bukan diMalaysia.. tapi bukak diindonesia.. dapat buat engin jauh lebih murah dan kos tenaga kerja yang jugak murah.

Negara sekeliling kita / asia tenggara = tak ada langsung yang mampu buat engin.. ada korang pikir.
Buang la pemikiran BASI tuh..

Kalau POTONG Waja guna Campro tak tahulah kualiti boleh stable tak? Bukan tak percaya POTONG jurutera pula rekabentuk pengalaman tapi cuma kita telah banyak kali kena parts kualiti isu kan? Bagi saya, ada sedikit tak suka guna local injin lah. Jadi Saya ada soalan-soalan nak tanya POTONG, seperti berikut:

1) Adakah harga kereta Waja akan lebih rendah? Kononnya POTONG sudah dapat kos down kan? Rakyat mesti dapat manfaat kan.
2) Apakah Warrantinya? 10 tahun? Kalau kurang daripada Mistu, Saya kurang yakin and kurang minat beli Waja lah.
3) Alat gantian harga murah tak? Harga komponen list berbanding design injin Mitsu boleh di paparkan tak?

Bagi saya, Waja masih banyak perminat orang Bolehland, salah satu sebabnya ialah injin masih dari Mitsu. Kalau POTONG tukar ke JENTU….Tak tahulah pembeli-pembeli punya reaksi. Saya mesti tak berapa minat and sokong idea ini jikalau jawaban soalan saya diatas ialah NO, NO, NO.

YAU MOU GAU….CHOR!!

then rakyat says no taxes for cares better…would u afford to pay 4 to 5 ringgit or more per liter of petrol?…it will reach hundreds to isi minyak…no more petrol subsidies for public…padan muka..now u can go and buy ur luxury car to park in ur house..
and u say complaints not heard..the new waja vents are directly from waja owners complaint…they dont layan complaint from not the proper chanels..maybe they also know that people are blindly bashing..
so stop bashing proton la friend…ur unsatisfied and cheated feeling are more towards the govt…stop making proton the scapegoat whereelse other car makers are also the same..

by the way, other carmakers in malaysia did not include those bcoz our weak Law does not make it a must. they merely follows Proton’s footstep and took advantage of it, and sadly, profit from that.

in other developed and developing countries, most of them requires cars to have both ABS and Airbags as standard before allowing them to be on the roads. they did that to ensure their own rakyat’s lives are better protected. Even when Proton wants to enter their market, Proton has to comply and put in airbags and ABS before they could get into the country…

however, our beloved government did not make it compulsory for cars to have ABS and airbag as standard accessories. Have u ever wondered W-H-Y? does that mean our government does not sayang us rakyat?

Our country holds the record as having the highest number of death toll caused by vehicular accidents on the road in ASIA every year! is that something we could be proud of?

I have heard from some other ppl, that the government did not make it compulsory bcoz it would have cause Proton’s cost to skyrocket. although it sounds perfectly making sense, however, i have no means to verify this…

i am still wondering why would the government did not make it compulsory for all new cars to be assembled with these as standard accessories? this would also force all other carmakers, not only Proton, to comply and provide better and safer cars for the rakyat’s consumption. if the government is really sincere in making its road safety campaign a success, they should have done this a long time ago…

nonetheless, both Proton and Perodua, despite there is no such ruling to make it compulsory to add ABS and airbags as standard accessories, as a “National Carmaker” as it has always wanted to portray itself as, bearing the flag of Malaysia, could and should, take the bold step to do a service to the nation, in good faith and as a goodwill, put such safety equipments as standard accessories at minimum cost. Havent they heard of Corporate Social Responsibility?

oh, Hatuk forgot… they’re merely Crony Income Enrichment Project…

well… by the time the loan for my current waja is fully repaid, i guess it’s bye-bye Proton then… maybe some other makes. or maybe i’d just ride the “National Bike” Modenas to work and ferry my family around… i guess it wont make much difference anyway… perodua’s cars are too small to be safe while the bigger brother Proton refuse to make safer cars on the grounds of cost and profits…

dengan ini saya sudahi dengan serangkap pantun (ala Karam Singh Walia)

once bitten twice shy,
kena once, can say unlucky,
kena twice, it’s pure bad luck,
but kena THRICE, cars from Proton just plain lousy big time!!!!

It’s about time Proton start capitalising their resource. If I’m not mistaken, when they announce the CamPro project, initially they are planning from 1.3L up to 2.0L (correct me I’m wrong). But I haven’t heard anything new on the 2.0L though.

Does CamPro really has the cam profiling? This is something that I still doubt as some people said that Proton roll out the CamPro without the cam profiling. Is this true? Anyone know?

I get to drive both the Gen.2 manual and auto last week. All I have to say is, they still need to do more fine tuning of the engine to squeeze out the maximum power that it has to offer. I do believe it suppose to have more umpph in a continental way.

For town driving, I’d go for Waja auto instead of Gen.2’s anytime. Better lower end torque. But when driving on rural road and need to overtake…hahah…you do the math. Oh btw, need some clarification here. Has Proton impose T.U.V on the Gen.2 yet? I’d like to see the result if they have. Thanks.

January 15, 2006 @ 7:55 pm

yeah.. they do have ABS( first generation which only work oneside), airbag( first generation and never work!), so call ebd( haywired all the time), low quality break pad( easily overheated and fade and very2 dusty!), efi which only allow car to be driven at 50km/h, campro engine( which i myself got sweat to rev it all the time), steering mounted sound controller( which last not more then 1 year), easily broken airvent, bla bla bla. and stop squeelling to somebody else as if you never had( probably have not seen) a mirror before. go back to your own cave/mud if you still want to do so. supposed this place is meant for civillized people, am i wright paul?

———————-why must go complaint to paul…ehheehhe…like little girl…then say i squel…ahahahahahh…

brake fade and dusty…bmw’s and merc pads are dusty…go complain la…try pushing ur p2 checy hard for more tahn 10 minutes..sure fade jgk

campro got to rev…try telling that to honda with their vtec…

efi to be driven 50kmh?…ur screw up la man…and try telling that to mitsu’s mivec MD tech.
as for ur other complaints..dont tell me other makes of cars never had peoblems…even camry new engine cought fire…seen a few vios with window jatuh problems..and dont get me started on the koreans and p2+avanza…

and the ratio of 10 proton equals to 1 other makes of car,,,surely proton got more chances of problem than those small number of car..
just like when scientist say ur more vulnerable to be striked by lightning than eaten by shark…ya la…cos humans live on land not sea…if humans live under the sea sure la chances are higher…