Comments on: Proton and Chery discussing two-way partnership http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:44:15 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Assorted Proton announcements http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-48889 Assorted Proton announcements Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:53:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-48889 [...] Memorandum of Understanding between Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional Sdn Bhd, Chery Automobile Co Ltd and Alado Corporation Sdn Bhd to be extended for another 2 months subject to approval of Board of Directors of all three companies. This is likely to do with the talks Proton has been having with Chery on a joint venture in assembly and distribution for Proton cars in China as well as Chery cars in Malaysia. [...] [...] Memorandum of Understanding between Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional Sdn Bhd, Chery Automobile Co Ltd and Alado Corporation Sdn Bhd to be extended for another 2 months subject to approval of Board of Directors of all three companies. This is likely to do with the talks Proton has been having with Chery on a joint venture in assembly and distribution for Proton cars in China as well as Chery cars in Malaysia. [...]

]]> By: ah_birdy http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-39625 ah_birdy Thu, 25 May 2006 13:35:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-39625 Hi motorhead, Infact Chery is a high quality car company, if you ever been to China. I have drive and see a lot of different model Chery in China. Even some Taxi is using Chery in China. Proton quality really need to be improve. The Chery models which sell in Malaysia is at the cheaper range among Chery models. For example QQ is just RMB2,9800=RM1,4000(Ringgit Malaysia) in China-even cheaper than a Kancil, but in Malaysia, it is selling at a higher price. That is why you all felt the quality not good. because "Expensive price, But lousy quality." But infact, "It is very cheap car, but govenment tax allot compare others Foreign cars." If not, even Kancil also cant survive. http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/M14.html See this... then it will show you the technology where Proton achieved. China have a lot of high quality and high technology product, just we Malaysian prefer to import cheaper products, that is why the quality if not good. Hi motorhead,
Infact Chery is a high quality car company, if you ever been to China. I have drive and see a lot of different model Chery in China. Even some Taxi is using Chery in China. Proton quality really need to be improve.

The Chery models which sell in Malaysia is at the cheaper range among Chery models. For example QQ is just RMB2,9800=RM1,4000(Ringgit Malaysia) in China-even cheaper than a Kancil, but in Malaysia, it is selling at a higher price. That is why you all felt the quality not good. because
“Expensive price, But lousy quality.” But infact, “It is very cheap car, but govenment tax allot compare others Foreign cars.” If not, even Kancil also cant survive.

http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/M14.html
See this… then it will show you the technology where Proton achieved.

China have a lot of high quality and high technology product, just we Malaysian prefer to import cheaper products, that is why the quality if not good.

]]> By: Proton signs pact with Chery and Jinhua » http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-39426 Proton signs pact with Chery and Jinhua » Wed, 24 May 2006 03:05:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-39426 [...] Proton targets 100,000 cars for the export market by 2008. Partnerships with Chinese and Indian companies will allow it access to more markets and hopefully help it achieve it’s 100,000 cars target. Related Posts: Proton and Chery discussing two-way partnership Proton to announce tie-up with Chinese firm this week Proton and Chery partnership Proton and Jinhua Youngman Automobile in partnership [...] [...] Proton targets 100,000 cars for the export market by 2008. Partnerships with Chinese and Indian companies will allow it access to more markets and hopefully help it achieve it’s 100,000 cars target. Related Posts: Proton and Chery discussing two-way partnership Proton to announce tie-up with Chinese firm this week Proton and Chery partnership Proton and Jinhua Youngman Automobile in partnership [...]

]]> By: outspoken http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36014 outspoken Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:40:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36014 is money what? and proton cars wll be rebadged in china.. so no direct effect on proton's brand name.. is money what? and proton cars wll be rebadged in china.. so no direct effect on proton’s brand name..

]]> By: chris_the_germ http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36012 chris_the_germ Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:52:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36012 goosebumps! Proton with Chery quality going around in China? I don't think that this will have any effect on Proton. China is too competitive in car prices. And I would only assume that Proton's costs are higher than anybody elses, cause of economies of scale. Or: expect Chinese Protons for RM 20,000... goosebumps! Proton with Chery quality going around in China?

I don’t think that this will have any effect on Proton. China is too competitive in car prices. And I would only assume that Proton’s costs are higher than anybody elses, cause of economies of scale. Or: expect Chinese Protons for RM 20,000…

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36007 motorhead Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:28:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36007 poton can la.. at least quality a bit better la... may be can market in china.. good oso la.. furthermore international deals getting more relevan nowdays... just dont bring china quality to msia la.. see how cheap skuters doin in msia.. buy 1 free 1 people oso never buy, like disposable junks ...& never saw a single cheery car oso.. i wonder how cherry Datuk can tahan... but i heard gen2 2006 model have many improvement.. anyone can verify?? poton can la.. at least quality a bit better la… may be can market in china.. good oso la.. furthermore international deals getting more relevan nowdays… just dont bring china quality to msia la.. see how cheap skuters doin in msia.. buy 1 free 1 people oso never buy, like disposable junks …& never saw a single cheery car oso.. i wonder how cherry Datuk can tahan…

but i heard gen2 2006 model have many improvement.. anyone can verify??

]]> By: catborg http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36005 catborg Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:07:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-36005 Sharfox.. the blind basher still stupid basher.. just ignore them.. they just rubbish.. anyway.. china is very big market.. even there's many market palyer outside ther.. but if you can get 1% from their BILLIONS punya market rakyat.. how much was it? THINK! Sharfox..
the blind basher still stupid basher..
just ignore them.. they just rubbish..

anyway.. china is very big market..
even there’s many market palyer outside ther..
but if you can get 1% from their BILLIONS punya market rakyat..

how much was it?

THINK!

]]> By: Sharfox http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35998 Sharfox Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:03:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35998 Hmmm.... As usual, Costly mistake la...wrong decission la, better go with VW la.... c'mon la Bros. I remember when we discussed about the JV bt P1 and VW. Most of us bash both P1 and VW. And then the JV thing is being hold and there you came again and bash. Now, P1 are looking for a cost effective yet massive market by signing with Cherry and then getting bashed again. Any possitive feedback in terms of economic of scale? Non I guess. Now, Cherry is one good thing to bash rite?... That's ou problem since 'green'... we judge b4 they can show something to us. Bro Initial D, I kinda agree with U, better happen than none. Hmmm…. As usual,
Costly mistake la…wrong decission la, better go with VW la…. c’mon la Bros. I remember when we discussed about the JV bt P1 and VW. Most of us bash both P1 and VW. And then the JV thing is being hold and there you came again and bash. Now, P1 are looking for a cost effective yet massive market by signing with Cherry and then getting bashed again.
Any possitive feedback in terms of economic of scale? Non I guess. Now, Cherry is one good thing to bash rite?… That’s ou problem since ‘green’… we judge b4 they can show something to us. Bro Initial D, I kinda agree with U, better happen than none.

]]> By: Initial D http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35995 Initial D Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:13:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35995 anyway, this better happen................coz.........better than none. anyway, this better happen…………….coz………better than none.

]]> By: rexis http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35993 rexis Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:06:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35993 Well it sound very milo to me... milo tin Well it sound very milo to me… milo tin

]]> By: accordmania http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35985 accordmania Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:10:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35985 Proton Cherry is sound like a delicious ice-blended cherry with cream + vanilla flavored icecream potong....mmmm...sure sell like hot cake. Proton Cherry is sound like a delicious ice-blended cherry with cream + vanilla flavored icecream potong….mmmm…sure sell like hot cake.

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35972 kody Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:26:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35972 Wahlaueh... Time will prove how well our infant(P1) will develope... either get sick n die..., doing so so...hoping PAPA protection again n again... now try to get a friend with almost same capabilities... i wonder what can p1 learnt from?? only access for assembly there n save cost to penetrade China market. May be the WAJA still can sell overthere... but tolong....dun bring the GEN 2 to there... p/s i still prefer WAJA than GEN2 because of outlook, space, interior & class(waja interior looks more class than GEN2) Wahlaueh…
Time will prove how well our infant(P1) will develope… either get sick n die…, doing so so…hoping PAPA protection again n again… now try to get a friend with almost same capabilities… i wonder what can p1 learnt from?? only access for assembly there n save cost to penetrade China market. May be the WAJA still can sell overthere… but tolong….dun bring the GEN 2 to there…
p/s i still prefer WAJA than GEN2 because of outlook, space, interior & class(waja interior looks more class than GEN2)

]]> By: E-Nabill http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35970 E-Nabill Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:15:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35970 buy one p1 , free one cherry! i hope this partnership wil help p1 more than cherry...if it translates to p1 selling more cars thn no problem,anything othr than that...thn the idea of chery flooding msian market really scares me... buy one p1 , free one cherry!
i hope this partnership wil help p1 more than cherry…if it translates to p1 selling more cars thn no problem,anything othr than that…thn the idea of chery flooding msian market really scares me…

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35967 mystvearn Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:58:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35967 Lets try to recap the Chinese market for a while here. Proton are making slightly better cars than Cherry, so by entering China, people over there can choose between worse quality Cherry or "slightly" higher quality proton. Or yet they can choose better quality from other international car manufacturers. Proton will utilize its factory to full potential as it will have some "work" in manufacturing other cars, as for the sales of cars Malaysian's are even more sceptical of Cherry than Proton so proton sales would not be that affected here. Unless of course Cherry is the next KIA/Hyundai, then it will it the national car market. Since VW wanted controlling stake, acnd could not obtained it, maybe proton should go a "MV augusta" towards VW and get quick cash LOL. Though I don't think this will happen. I am not sure how on earth dod proton not know what they had with MV augusta anyway. Back to the Cherry thing, hopefully proton does not plan to with cheap low quality parts from Cherry for their upcoming models just to make prices competetive.... But short term prospect for the normal people like us is that we just LOL at the idea Lets try to recap the Chinese market for a while here. Proton are making slightly better cars than Cherry, so by entering China, people over there can choose between worse quality Cherry or “slightly” higher quality proton. Or yet they can choose better quality from other international car manufacturers.
Proton will utilize its factory to full potential as it will have some “work” in manufacturing other cars, as for the sales of cars Malaysian’s are even more sceptical of Cherry than Proton so proton sales would not be that affected here. Unless of course Cherry is the next KIA/Hyundai, then it will it the national car market.
Since VW wanted controlling stake, acnd could not obtained it, maybe proton should go a “MV augusta” towards VW and get quick cash LOL. Though I don’t think this will happen. I am not sure how on earth dod proton not know what they had with MV augusta anyway.
Back to the Cherry thing, hopefully proton does not plan to with cheap low quality parts from Cherry for their upcoming models just to make prices competetive….

But short term prospect for the normal people like us is that we just LOL at the idea

]]> By: kuntakinte http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35966 kuntakinte Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:50:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35966 No matter how far, a loser will always be able to spot their own kind. No matter how far, a loser will always be able to spot their own kind.

]]> By: tariq http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35964 tariq Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:20:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35964 *cough cough* *cough cough*

]]> By: Denniz http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35963 Denniz Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:19:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35963 2 Negatives = Positive. :D 2 Negatives = Positive. :D

]]> By: HatukNgkau http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35962 HatukNgkau Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:19:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35962 Paul Tan said, March 30, 2006 @ 3:07 pm But I wonder what of the NAP ruling regarding selling assembling capacity to 3rd party manufacturers. ============================================ don worry, have u forgotten the "case by case basis" clause after that? Proton will get approval. Semuanya OK! Paul Tan said,
March 30, 2006 @ 3:07 pm

But I wonder what of the NAP ruling regarding selling assembling capacity to 3rd party manufacturers.

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don worry, have u forgotten the “case by case basis” clause after that? Proton will get approval. Semuanya OK!

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35960 motorhead Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:09:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35960 hahaha... mine a bit polite... but yours can use osolah.... hahaha... lucky i am not a tong sampah driver.. hehe.. hahaha…

mine a bit polite… but yours can use osolah…. hahaha… lucky i am not a tong sampah driver..

hehe..

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35958 kody Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:01:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35958 Wahlaueh... motorhead bro, this is the actual formula PROTON + CHERRY = TONG SAMPAH... just my own 2 cents. Good & bad together you can become either good or bad, when bad + bad then become nightmare WORST... P1 go sell to VW, then ur core markets custoers will gain confident faster. :) Wahlaueh…

motorhead bro, this is the actual formula
PROTON + CHERRY = TONG SAMPAH…
just my own 2 cents. Good & bad together you can become either good or bad, when bad + bad then become nightmare WORST…
P1 go sell to VW, then ur core markets custoers will gain confident faster. :)

]]> By: pycazu http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35956 pycazu Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:32:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35956 See how P1 will perform in the toughest car arena with so many big players around. Oversea market never can create a way of escape for P1... See how P1 will perform in the toughest car arena with so many big players around. Oversea market never can create a way of escape for P1…

]]> By: dfs3000my http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35955 dfs3000my Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:32:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35955 Hmm, I can still recall that there was one test collision on the cherry models and what did it end up? Well, looks like a milo tin anyway. I hope that proton will improve the cherry quality and not end up adapting that quality. ;) Hmm, I can still recall that there was one test collision on the cherry models and what did it end up? Well, looks like a milo tin anyway. I hope that proton will improve the cherry quality and not end up adapting that quality. ;)

]]> By: triplesaber http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35953 triplesaber Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35953 the name chery reminds me of a p*rn megazine my bro brought back frm Canada years ago..hehe. If Proton can sell cars in China, then good la. The population is so huge, and perhaps Proton can make enuff money to finally stop relying on G's protection, and invest in making good cars tht can compete with the majr players. i just hope it wont drag Protong down into another costly mistake. the name chery reminds me of a p*rn megazine my bro brought back frm Canada years ago..hehe.
If Proton can sell cars in China, then good la. The population is so huge, and perhaps Proton can make enuff money to finally stop relying on G’s protection, and invest in making good cars tht can compete with the majr players. i just hope it wont drag Protong down into another costly mistake.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35948 motorhead Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:09:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/30/proton-and-chery-discussing-two-way-partnership/#comment-35948 haha.. good la.. proton = chery = quality... i guess... any komen? haha.. good la..

proton = chery = quality…

i guess… any komen?

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