why are you people so concern about BIG FLOP PROTON? this BIG FLOP PROTON never care about you…they only want your money, squueze you dry.

1. if the tax is so high no money, maybe can buy a good second hand car let the rich poeple or people earning SingDollars/USD buy new car and play around with depreciation.Throw away some ego save lots of money buying 2nd hand cars.which ever you want except P1.dont buy P1 anyhow.

2.if you are paying for your own car dont compare people with company car/car allowance/potong car/stolen car..because they dont care.they are in different situation.but our G dont care they "squeeze; the whole nation.rich people poor people all have to buy expensive car and expenxive fuel that not tally with economy perfomance.

2nd, pump more money to Lotus for them to develope more new technology which can benefit P1.

3rd, for God's sake… stop producing Sagas, Iswaras, Wiras, Satrias & Perdanas! Come up with something new!

Balik-balik Mitsu 2x.. old flame die hard eh?

if materialise, guess it would not be great by any way.

But this clearly signal that they dah desperate dah ni.. hantam la .. asal can use the term potong, smart and strategic in one sentence for real.

Malu la sbb dah pernah kena 'tale' dgn balak Jepun sebelum ni, pastu 'clash' and 'putus tunang' dengan balak omputih pulak. Omputih tu tak nak 'tale' punn… Banyak cekadak katanya. Now nak carik balik balak jepun dulu.. tak pun apek main land pun apek mainland la..

Macam kisah benar bohsia pun ada ni..

About the QUALITY campaign…..

Savvy kan TUV certified (still lagi ke or marketing gimmick je?, anyone).

Apa proton staff / management tak boleh nak continue adapting and spreading the spirit, culture and work ethics yg sepatutunya diwujudkan semasa program TUV tu ke? Apa staff tak 'nampak' apa itu Quality, Continuous Improvement etc..

Ntah-ntah working culture potong ni sarat dgn penyakit 'M' and 'aiman tak kesah' ?

don't tell me

that is china chery deal!

1. You waste your time take flight to this Bolehland and talk to P1 or G (NAP) on strategic tie up.

2. Why should you put your self in trouble (if collaboration take place) by pump in money, transfer technology, train the P1's "monkey", or do everything and anything on the ground, but don't have a say and management control! So you put in the effort like "you cook the rice, P1 eat it, later you wash the plate"! Is it a partnership! Indeed it is bullshit! That is the main reason why until now tie-up never take place for P1 nego with so many parties.

3. You have global outlook, P1 is "xenophobia", are you dare to dump in money knowing very well P1 will go no where. Furthermore, You make tonne of money, why bother about P1, outside Bolehland P1 is "nothing" and no more than churning out outmoded inventory with ridiculous price – never in its history able to compete in open market!

4. P1 is economically not viable since it inception! So you are wise investor won't invest on it!

regarding the quality, i read several reports…..forgot where liao…..some cars r good…i mean new batch…..well, agree, should start a anual proton quality survey forum here.

whatsoever bro, people giving most comments to bash p1 because almost,,no no …. all of proton owners are suffered for their cheap, low quality & high cost products. This is just a channel to release the unsatisfied mood, since whatever complaints from owners also transparent to p1. & no initiatives to improve. Now p1 is sink to the nose than only they realise they are sinking & hard to breath.

So Paul pls prepare one for poton feed back… as kody said, we r not so rich keep changing cars.. feedback can be very useful… can help or bash our national cars oso… hehehe…

whatsoever la, just let the proton died it-self if they don't want to change.

may be after few months, Paul can set up to surveys & check for new P1 owners feedback about the quality of new p1 cars that manufactured after month of April or year 2006 models.

like motorhead stated, new gen2 with some upgrading… but we are not that rich to change the car too often to try the quality. So, any new P1 potential owners please help to raise some feedback for us to know how well the p1 is going for now.

20 years is enough to make people detest. Maybe another 20 years to get recognize?

really wish it gonna be VW… i want VW GTI….

my opinion is, proton should joint venture or have strategic tie-ups with reliable local companies, such as PETRONAS. Maybe if they joint together they would develop more fuel efficient campro or anything that beneficial to them. And, proton also should have some level of strategic collabration with all their suppliers (Componenets etc.) this will benefit in a way that quality supply materials and componenets can be further justified and can be controlled.

Im not saying that Proton should never joint with foreign automakers, but what i emphasis here is try to control things here first than go get foreign help.

These are just my opinion…

bcoz so many malaysian already sell their own stake to others.

so what's left for malaysia is doom…

motorhead, may be u r right…p1 is slowly….slowly inrease their quality when they realise customers are not compromise with their quality.

if at the 1st place P1 already produce quality cars… now sure they can get more than 60% of new cars market shares.

April 6, 2006 @ 1:27 pm

"i do not expect proton to change in the matter of months. let give these new management some room before we start bashing them."

Joe Ooi – Give them not in a matter of mnoths, but 21 damn long years already lah! new management some room, what room/space they want somemore, the consumers are already get squeeze until to the nake and "NO SPACE" even to "stand"! "SRM 90% done! Waht a big deal, 2 door remodified and likely rebadge from other manufacturer old model.

49% of controlling shares.

Proton has the final word

Transfer of technology will benefit proton

Proton will locally manufacture whichever partner's product locally at its plant.

Proton will market the cars at its showroom?

Proton will set a base to market their cars.

Sounds very fammiliar right?

Outsiders version of strategic partnership:

Control majority of proton shares/buy the company all together

Control key decisions and administration possibly foreign people.

Transfer technology to proton.

Rebadging so that proton will be more respected by making a variant version of the partner's own car. Kind of like Volvo s40 and ford focus

Make profit from NAP?

April 5, 2006 @ 5:43 pm

honda_driver – "volks also in trouble now la.. china market collapsing for them.. big boss of volks also in danger of losing his job.. they losing more money than the rest of their subsidiaries can make.. any comment on that joe?"

Joe Ooi – what to comments except to say Proton are able to negotiate with all problematic car manufacturer or auto related companies only. Just to mention a few – VW, Mit, Geely, Chery, Delphy, Lotus, MV Augusta, etc. At the end the results all were failed misely, either fail in enter "smart partnership" or have to take burden like Lotus and MV Augusta, which in turn is tax payer money! P1 want "smart partnership" but their IQ level is "below average"!

Say can P1 like P2 nego and tie up with worldclass players like Toyota or Merc, either directly or indirectly? Problematics foreign companies as above-mentioned already very scare at and "runaway" from "much more problematic P1", what elase P1 can do. Perhaps after nego to all problematic car manufacturers P1 have the opportunity to nego, and all failed. Then the next likely scenario is to nego with "local players" and announce to the market successful "strategic tie-up" with the like of "Ah Chong Kedai Basikal, Muthu Motor Workshop or Ahmad Kedai Ketuk dan Mengecat Kereta". Ha, Ha, Ha, ….. it is a joke,………