Comments on: Proton vendors need to buck up http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:59:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37488 Joe Ooi Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:43:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37488 biggie - basically "rule of thumb" is the "art" of decision making and "risk management is the "science" of decision making! biggie – basically "rule of thumb" is the "art" of decision making and "risk management is the "science" of decision making!

]]> By: biggie http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37402 biggie Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:20:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37402 joe just read the reports or project analysis studies (can be googled) all are based on the termed called calculated risk. But the essence of the rules made are similar from - the rule of thumb or if u want to make it technical its called heuristics. rule of thumb is the basis for decision making based on empirical evidence. Heuristics are valid for empirical data (variance and probability added to it) as opposed to mechanistic rules (based on physical evidence). then u build up an empirical model to simulate possible outcomes. aiyoo this will be very long but its in your statistics 101 textbook probably 2nd yr eng. its also valid in recent mgt studies but for eng. or scientific appl. its has been the basis for designing experiment from the 15th century. joe

just read the reports or project analysis studies (can be googled) all are based on the termed called calculated risk. But the essence of the rules made are similar from – the rule of thumb or if u want to make it technical its called heuristics.

rule of thumb is the basis for decision making based on empirical evidence.

Heuristics are valid for empirical data (variance and probability added to it) as opposed to mechanistic rules (based on physical evidence). then u build up an empirical model to simulate possible outcomes.

aiyoo this will be very long but its in your statistics 101 textbook probably 2nd yr eng. its also valid in recent mgt studies but for eng. or scientific appl. its has been the basis for designing experiment from the 15th century.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37367 Joe Ooi Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:32:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37367 Biggie - This is my understanding after read through so many references and books regarding risks management in respect to "uncertainty - rule of thumb" and "risks" a. Rule of thumb - normally deal with "uncertainty" which may take place in our daily decision making process. It is quite "subjective" and outcome depend on "posibilities" which required individual experience and jugdement skills to make decisions. This "uncertainty" normaly can't be quantified by statistical approach. b. Risks - risks is known as probable outcome which normally can be quantified statistically and can be solve mathematically. The relationship between rule of thumb and risk at best - once we understand more background on the rule of thumb - the "uncertainty - chances" can be turn into "risk - probability". Normally when come to make decison, especially highly technical and "big" project, then "calculated risks" always take precedent or "rule of thumb". Anyway, it is still a matter of appropriateness as when to use "rule of thumb" or "risk management", depend on nature and complexity of decision. We have to use rule of thumb when say choosing good durians (with condition cannot open the durian) and of course need proper and highly mathematical "calculated risk" when actuarer formulating and produce insurance policy product. Below is typical example of "risk" and "uncertainty" for Insurance and gambling: - Insurance means the policyholders paid certain premium to insurance company to cover particular risk with specific sum insured subjected to the terms and conditions as stipulated in agreement sign by both party. Risk just like energy can’t be “destroyed” but can be “transferred” from one party to another. Risk is known probable outcome, could be quantified and most likely could be solved statistically. Uncertainty is unknown and can’t be solved by statistics. As more data available, uncertainty may be “converted” into risk. Normally, uncertainty is unpredictable; therefore it is always excluded from insurance coverage, e.g. civil commotion, civil unrest, outbreak of war (i.e. force majuere), flood, lightning, earthquake (I.e. act of god), human error, negligent, etc. Insurance likes gambling, operating in same mode - “play with figures”. In gambling, you are gambles your money. In life insurance, you are “gambling” your life and money. All terms and conditions are devised based on highly mathematical calculation and statistical solutions of probability, and of course not any possibility. Insurance just like gambling is “money makes money” business. Insurance “admitting” customers with least risk and optimum return, inter alia, “the healthiest and the strongest.” Insurance coverage normally ups to limit of 65 years. This is because after 65, you are normally retired (i.e. non-productive) and the probability of incurred medical cost is very high. This in turn will make the insurance business venture not viable because the calculated risk is very high. For gambling, they welcome those people who are always lost. The same philosophy of maximize profit prevailed. If you were “god gambler”, you would be “blacklisted” and barred from entering casino. The conclusion is insurance welcome the most “luckiest” persons and gambling welcome those who are the most “unluckiest”. Both insurance and gambling have its same customer base – but “different segment and opposite”. If you have particular disease under exclusion clause in the health insurance scheme, the life insurance company would reject you straight away. Same as gambling would not welcome those who are always win? Biggie – This is my understanding after read through so many references and books regarding risks management in respect to "uncertainty – rule of thumb" and "risks"

a. Rule of thumb – normally deal with "uncertainty" which may take place in our daily decision making process. It is quite "subjective" and outcome depend on "posibilities" which required individual experience and jugdement skills to make decisions. This "uncertainty" normaly can't be quantified by statistical approach.

b. Risks – risks is known as probable outcome which normally can be quantified statistically and can be solve mathematically.

The relationship between rule of thumb and risk at best – once we understand more background on the rule of thumb – the "uncertainty – chances" can be turn into "risk – probability". Normally when come to make decison, especially highly technical and "big" project, then "calculated risks" always take precedent or "rule of thumb". Anyway, it is still a matter of appropriateness as when to use "rule of thumb" or "risk management", depend on nature and complexity of decision. We have to use rule of thumb when say choosing good durians (with condition cannot open the durian) and of course need proper and highly mathematical "calculated risk" when actuarer formulating and produce insurance policy product.

Below is typical example of "risk" and "uncertainty" for Insurance and gambling: –

Insurance means the policyholders paid certain premium to insurance company to cover particular risk with specific sum insured subjected to the terms and conditions as stipulated in agreement sign by both party. Risk just like energy can’t be “destroyed” but can be “transferred” from one party to another. Risk is known probable outcome, could be quantified and most likely could be solved statistically.

Uncertainty is unknown and can’t be solved by statistics. As more data available, uncertainty may be “converted” into risk. Normally, uncertainty is unpredictable; therefore it is always excluded from insurance coverage, e.g. civil commotion, civil unrest, outbreak of war (i.e. force majuere), flood, lightning, earthquake (I.e. act of god), human error, negligent, etc. Insurance likes gambling, operating in same mode – “play with figures”. In gambling, you are gambles your money. In life insurance, you are “gambling” your life and money. All terms and conditions are devised based on highly mathematical calculation and statistical solutions of probability, and of course not any possibility. Insurance just like gambling is “money makes money” business.

Insurance “admitting” customers with least risk and optimum return, inter alia, “the healthiest and the strongest.” Insurance coverage normally ups to limit of 65 years. This is because after 65, you are normally retired (i.e. non-productive) and the probability of incurred medical cost is very high. This in turn will make the insurance business venture not viable because the calculated risk is very high.

For gambling, they welcome those people who are always lost. The same philosophy of maximize profit prevailed. If you were “god gambler”, you would be “blacklisted” and barred from entering casino. The conclusion is insurance welcome the most “luckiest” persons and gambling welcome those who are the most “unluckiest”. Both insurance and gambling have its same customer base – but “different segment and opposite”. If you have particular disease under exclusion clause in the health insurance scheme, the life insurance company would reject you straight away. Same as gambling would not welcome those who are always win?

]]> By: biggie http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37359 biggie Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:32:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37359 joe, calculated risk = rule of thumb with conditionalities. Just some kind of conditional probability in simple term. 'Complex maths' is the term on how industrial consultant make money. Industrial consultant will only be called if one is investing millions for multi-million deals... its no small business. Minimum for plastic injection mold (low quality) will set you back 400K in capital (excluding land). A typical Proton set-up 1-2 mil capital. GO FIGURE. Try to read their reports (consultants), its basically based on many 'rule of thumbs' that you can make if you understand the eng/marketing book that you're reading. joe,

calculated risk = rule of thumb with conditionalities. Just some kind of conditional probability in simple term. 'Complex maths' is the term on how industrial consultant make money.

Industrial consultant will only be called if one is investing millions for multi-million deals… its no small business. Minimum for plastic injection mold (low quality) will set you back 400K in capital (excluding land). A typical Proton set-up 1-2 mil capital. GO FIGURE.

Try to read their reports (consultants), its basically based on many 'rule of thumbs' that you can make if you understand the eng/marketing book that you're reading.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37249 Joe Ooi Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:53:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37249 biggie - joe, its a rule of thumb. need not be right always but its something that you can present to get loans. and Joe .. yes I have enough money made from presenting those figures, of course the rule of thumb is not as simple as the one paragraph expalaination provided. Enough money that I can spend my time here without worrying about work or cars. Joe Ooi - Thing like rule of thumb might applicable to you or small biz/endeavor. But say bridging loan for "cyclical project", "rule of thumb" is not necessary applicable. What u need is highly mathematical "calculated risks" in cash-flow projection to deal with all potential threat and unknown cost at the time of projection (normally put under miscellaneous). In the event u apply "rule of thumb", your project might get stuck and it go into "hole of tomb" - your project become white elephant! biggie – joe, its a rule of thumb. need not be right always but its something that you can present to get loans.

and Joe .. yes I have enough money made from presenting those figures, of course the rule of thumb is not as simple as the one paragraph expalaination provided. Enough money that I can spend my time here without worrying about work or cars.

Joe Ooi – Thing like rule of thumb might applicable to you or small biz/endeavor. But say bridging loan for "cyclical project", "rule of thumb" is not necessary applicable. What u need is highly mathematical "calculated risks" in cash-flow projection to deal with all potential threat and unknown cost at the time of projection (normally put under miscellaneous). In the event u apply "rule of thumb", your project might get stuck and it go into "hole of tomb" – your project become white elephant!

]]> By: biggie http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37232 biggie Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:40:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37232 joe ooi its available in any good 101 mold & die text book joe ooi

its available in any good 101 mold & die text book

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37221 Joe Ooi Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:56:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37221 To: biggie Thank for your info on rule of thumb matter! To: NeedGoodCar Also thank you for info on breakeven and economy of scale matters. To: biggie

Thank for your info on rule of thumb matter!

To: NeedGoodCar

Also thank you for info on breakeven and economy of scale matters.

]]> By: biggie http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37208 biggie Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:06:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37208 acbc they have terminated vendors before, but they cannot terminate the vendors that have boardroom presence. Go figure.. who holds the cards. joe its a rule of thumb. need not be right always but its something that you can present to get loans. and Joe .. yes I have enough money made from presenting those figures, of course the rule of thumb is not as simple as the one paragraph expalaination provided. Enough money that I can spend my time here without worrying about work or cars. needgoodcar thank you for the calc, yes you factor in metal stamp operating cost/labor/maintenace etc...etc... as item in variable cost. I've written a software specifically for plastic injection mold ROI. acbc

they have terminated vendors before, but they cannot terminate the vendors that have boardroom presence. Go figure.. who holds the cards.

joe

its a rule of thumb. need not be right always but its something that you can present to get loans.

and Joe .. yes I have enough money made from presenting those figures, of course the rule of thumb is not as simple as the one paragraph expalaination provided. Enough money that I can spend my time here without worrying about work or cars.

needgoodcar

thank you for the calc, yes you factor in metal stamp operating cost/labor/maintenace etc…etc… as item in variable cost. I've written a software specifically for plastic injection mold ROI.

]]> By: accordmania http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37178 accordmania Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37178 black list his own "rasuah employees" first then quality from its vendors will automatically be good. trust me black list his own "rasuah employees" first then quality from its vendors will automatically be good. trust me

]]> By: acbc http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37100 acbc Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:17:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37100 Proton terminating a vendor? U think they dare? Talk cock sing song stories... nothing is new from Proton. Proton terminating a vendor? U think they dare? Talk cock sing song stories… nothing is new from Proton.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37078 motorhead Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:50:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37078 Wah.. now we can get accounting lessons from these guys.. Wah.. now we can get accounting lessons from these guys..

]]> By: cratzelogy http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37068 cratzelogy Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:37:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37068 well said guys, guess i dunnit to put any comment. respect-man! well said guys, guess i dunnit to put any comment. respect-man!

]]> By: weewee http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37063 weewee Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:03:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37063 The previous Proton management should have highlighted on this problem. If Proton had took the initiative to minimise such problems years ago, then it would be a hell lot better for them. Well its good to see that they are finally doing something about it. I guess more audit on their vendors are required. The previous Proton management should have highlighted on this problem. If Proton had took the initiative to minimise such problems years ago, then it would be a hell lot better for them. Well its good to see that they are finally doing something about it. I guess more audit on their vendors are required.

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37057 NeedGoodCar Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:54:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37057 Bingo, Intermilan Bingo, Intermilan

]]> By: intermilan http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37050 intermilan Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:20:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37050 The political drama involving govts, potong, vendors and the godfathers look like a good basis to make soap opera like the Dallas series yang popular in the 80's. Occasionally, supporting actors come and go.. like the various soon-to-be strategic partner, CEO, potong advisor and geng, EON, etc. sure can make at least 300 episodes. release by potong pictures and produced by wayang potong productions. good way to get extra $$. then can use the $$ to cover losses due to sliding market share. somemore could license the drama to international tv station for more $$. The political drama involving govts, potong, vendors and the godfathers look like a good basis to make soap opera like the Dallas series yang popular in the 80's.

Occasionally, supporting actors come and go.. like the various soon-to-be strategic partner, CEO, potong advisor and geng, EON, etc.

sure can make at least 300 episodes.

release by potong pictures and produced by wayang potong productions.

good way to get extra $$. then can use the $$ to cover losses due to sliding market share.

somemore could license the drama to international tv station for more $$.

]]> By: aesthari http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37047 aesthari Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:01:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37047 Wow, 20-30%! That's so freaking many parts gone to waste. Talk about inefficiency. These guys need not buck up, they need to WAKE up! Wow, 20-30%! That's so freaking many parts gone to waste. Talk about inefficiency. These guys need not buck up, they need to WAKE up!

]]> By: StingRayINC http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37044 StingRayINC Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:11:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37044 Sigh Potong always say say only la......their pen is not powerful one.....see lar if i m not mistaken, in the future when u buy Potong car sure we all will complaint again about the "music" that their car make. :P Sigh Potong always say say only la……their pen is not powerful one…..see lar if i m not mistaken, in the future when u buy Potong car sure we all will complaint again about the "music" that their car make. :P

]]> By: kabikaze http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37042 kabikaze Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:25:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37042 consolidating vendors?!!!! hahaha... that's a good one.. sorry mr. syed. not gonna happen. most vendor got contract from p1 because they pay their dues to the "Godfathers" in this contry. i'd like to see him try though.. consolidating vendors?!!!! hahaha… that's a good one.. sorry mr. syed. not gonna happen. most vendor got contract from p1 because they pay their dues to the "Godfathers" in this contry. i'd like to see him try though..

]]> By: whitE zoMbiE http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37040 whitE zoMbiE Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:12:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37040 boooo...!! boooo…!!

]]> By: wc5be http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37034 wc5be Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:37:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37034 Dear Paul, Tot u might be interested in checking out Kosmo Motor. A local assembler of commercial vehicle in m'sia n region. They r comin out with Beiqi Futon trucks and busses locally. Also they just bought a stake (26%) in Loremo AG, Germany and will be displaying their L22 and CNG busses at Klims 2006 soon. L22 especially is marvelous product coming out 2010. Jus tot u might wana share wif public. <a href="http://www.loremo.com" rel="nofollow">www.loremo.com</a> On dis topic bout PV consolidating, no comments coz it's not gonna do any good overnite. takes few yrs 2 bear result. If any.... Dear Paul,

Tot u might be interested in checking out Kosmo Motor. A local assembler of commercial vehicle in m'sia n region. They r comin out with Beiqi Futon trucks and busses locally. Also they just bought a stake (26%) in Loremo AG, Germany and will be displaying their L22 and CNG busses at Klims 2006 soon. L22 especially is marvelous product coming out 2010. Jus tot u might wana share wif public. http://www.loremo.com

On dis topic bout PV consolidating, no comments coz it's not gonna do any good overnite. takes few yrs 2 bear result. If any….

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37033 mystvearn Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:00:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37033 Maybe proton should change from car maker to car producer. Naza is thriving. What is there to pride if the product is not worth boasting. Maybe proton should change from car maker to car producer. Naza is thriving. What is there to pride if the product is not worth boasting.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37031 motorhead Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:33:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37031 Joe.. the conclusion is.. our products have their very own standard... hope things will improve for proton, our towkays & our ah mois as well (they juai mahal, bcoz they got class), hahaha.... Joe.. the conclusion is.. our products have their very own standard… hope things will improve for proton, our towkays & our ah mois as well (they juai mahal, bcoz they got class), hahaha….

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37030 kody Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:29:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37030 Joe... ok lah your descriptions are better... :) So say somethings related to topic... P1 just keep up & do better.hoohooo.... Joe… ok lah your descriptions are better… :)

So say somethings related to topic…

P1 just keep up & do better.hoohooo….

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37029 honda_driver Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:28:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37029 i'm tired of posting relevant on topic stuff in this blog already. no matter what the topic is, even if it was about dinosaurs and elephants, it will all boil back down to the same things.. Down with P1, down with cartax dreamland aka bolehland..etc. !!!! Change the G and their fuel price raising conspiracy theory!!!! :) I wanna buy a new honda civic at RM65,000....!!!! i'm tired of posting relevant on topic stuff in this blog already. no matter what the topic is, even if it was about dinosaurs and elephants, it will all boil back down to the same things..

Down with P1, down with cartax dreamland aka bolehland..etc. !!!!

Change the G and their fuel price raising conspiracy theory!!!! :) I wanna buy a new honda civic at RM65,000….!!!!

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37027 kody Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:25:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37027 terenceloh said, April 14, 2006 @ 4:40 pm Kody, Your friend’s Vios broke???? Whats breaking power?? Kuasa Pecah?? hey ternceloh bro, i mean ability to stop, stopping power lah... if my grammar was wrong, welcome to correct me...TQ..ha....ha... terenceloh said,

April 14, 2006 @ 4:40 pm

Kody,

Your friend’s Vios broke???? Whats breaking power?? Kuasa Pecah??

hey ternceloh bro, i mean ability to stop, stopping power lah… if my grammar was wrong, welcome to correct me…TQ..ha….ha…

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37026 Joe Ooi Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:04:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37026 motorhead said, April 14, 2006 @ 3:56 pm Ya lorr.. for instance, which one better, our msian amoys or china dolls?? We have international standard what.. hahaha.. kody said, AngMohChaBoh better lah.. bigger spot lights…. a bit off too far from topic…. Joe Ooi said, I believe I can give better comments and outdo both of you! M'sia amoy - "huh, very aksi and sometime jual mahai macam mas, tapi dia tu ikan masin" China Doll - "a bit tasty but not juicy,......." AngMohChaBoh @ gweilol moi @ western girls - hei, kody like spot lights normal lah, the "best standard" is like head, I means sexy AngMohChaBoh with "THREE (3) HEADS" @ the "XXL spot lights" same size with head. Anyway, I wonder why Prince Charles chose to drink "expired milk"! he, he, ....... Anyway, not in the topic. motorhead said,

April 14, 2006 @ 3:56 pm

Ya lorr.. for instance, which one better, our msian amoys or china dolls??

We have international standard what.. hahaha..

kody said,

AngMohChaBoh better lah.. bigger spot lights….

a bit off too far from topic….

Joe Ooi said,

I believe I can give better comments and outdo both of you!

M'sia amoy – "huh, very aksi and sometime jual mahai macam mas, tapi dia tu ikan masin"

China Doll – "a bit tasty but not juicy,……."

AngMohChaBoh @ gweilol moi @ western girls – hei, kody like spot lights normal lah, the "best standard" is like head, I means sexy AngMohChaBoh with "THREE (3) HEADS" @ the "XXL spot lights" same size with head. Anyway,

I wonder why Prince Charles chose to drink "expired milk"! he, he, …….

Anyway, not in the topic.

]]> By: REDDEVIL http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37025 REDDEVIL Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:58:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37025 wow, u guys really expert in analysing the circumstance in proton QC... anyway, this is good move by the proton management team. welldone.. let's hope proton will take this issue seriously.. terminate those vendors producing substandard parts and replace with those really mean business.. i think there is a lot of potential vendors willing to work with proton.. eliminate those ' biasalah' attitude for the sake of malaysian 'face'.... wow, u guys really expert in analysing the circumstance in proton QC… anyway, this is good move by the proton management team. welldone.. let's hope proton will take this issue seriously.. terminate those vendors producing substandard parts and replace with those really mean business.. i think there is a lot of potential vendors willing to work with proton..

eliminate those ' biasalah' attitude for the sake of malaysian 'face'….

]]> By: outspoken http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37024 outspoken Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:51:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37024 on the short term, this campaign will backfire proton's sale.. people will wait till they can get their hands on models which are being manufacturered april 2006.. in the long term, customer's perception and most importantly, confident, will improve.. this IS the way forward, although ,if only they can turn back time................ on the short term, this campaign will backfire proton's sale.. people will wait till they can get their hands on models which are being manufacturered april 2006.. in the long term, customer's perception and most importantly, confident, will improve..

this IS the way forward, although ,if only they can turn back time…………….

]]> By: terenceloh http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37023 terenceloh Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37023 Kody, Your friend's Vios broke???? Whats breaking power?? Kuasa Pecah?? Kody,

Your friend's Vios broke???? Whats breaking power?? Kuasa Pecah??

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37022 Joe Ooi Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:38:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/14/proton-vendors-need-to-buck-up/#comment-37022 biggie - To elaborate further, what I know from economic perspective, volume is more related to achieve economy of scale. Economy of scale is means the minimum nos. of units need to be produce in order to achieve lowest cost per units. For example, in auto industry, the minimum units of each models to be produce to achieve economy of scale is 500,000 (lowest price per unit). Therefore, none of Proton model ever achieve economy of scales, and is not price competitive, in fact sold at relatively high price even under protective market.Those models achieve economy of scale is Toyota Corrolla, sold for approx. 26 Millions units worldwide (refer to Guiness World of Record)! biggie – To elaborate further, what I know from economic perspective, volume is more related to achieve economy of scale. Economy of scale is means the minimum nos. of units need to be produce in order to achieve lowest cost per units. For example, in auto industry, the minimum units of each models to be produce to achieve economy of scale is 500,000 (lowest price per unit). Therefore, none of Proton model ever achieve economy of scales, and is not price competitive, in fact sold at relatively high price even under protective market.Those models achieve economy of scale is Toyota Corrolla, sold for approx. 26 Millions units worldwide (refer to Guiness World of Record)!

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