Comments on: Proton and Mahindra strategic alliance http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:53:01 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37398 honda_driver Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:10:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37398 well joe, i dont know about "strategic alliances" that proton have done or plan to do, but i do know that no road car in malaysia today uses Copper as a material for fuel tanks. As for mitsu, i only know what i read in the news, and the news guys have clearly quoted proton MD as saying a new proton/mitsu model will be out by early next year and not now, or tommorow, or next week. if you claim that this is info from a proton "whistleblower", he is definitely giving you some pretty silly info or he is extremely ill-informed. Maybe you should verify the info before posting it up in future. As we all know, just because its on TV or the internet, doesnt make it true. well joe, i dont know about “strategic alliances” that proton have done or plan to do, but i do know that no road car in malaysia today uses Copper as a material for fuel tanks. As for mitsu, i only know what i read in the news, and the news guys have clearly quoted proton MD as saying a new proton/mitsu model will be out by early next year and not now, or tommorow, or next week.

if you claim that this is info from a proton “whistleblower”, he is definitely giving you some pretty silly info or he is extremely ill-informed. Maybe you should verify the info before posting it up in future. As we all know, just because its on TV or the internet, doesnt make it true.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37360 Joe Ooi Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:34:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37360 Currently Proton make petrol Campro engine and no other. Currently Proton make petrol Campro engine and no other.

]]> By: kunalt http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37353 kunalt Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:53:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37353 The marriage between mahindra and proton makes sense as of now because it'll help proton expand an set up a shop in India. It is not feasible for any car manufacturer to import cars directly into India because there is a heavy import duty. Imagine, buying a proton for twice the price; would you purchase one? The indian market is very competitive and huge. We have really strict emission norms out here and thats one of the reasons why the Chinese aren't able to sell their products here. The cars need to be tested by an automotive body for fitness and various other tests before it is approved for India. Indians are very cautious about the cars they purchase, and are brand conscious, so a strategic alliance with Mahindra will help proton boost their sales. Besides, Mahindra makes pretty good diesel engines too, I am not sure whether proton makes diesels; please enlighten me. The marriage between mahindra and proton makes sense as of now because it’ll help proton expand an set up a shop in India. It is not feasible for any car manufacturer to import cars directly into India because there is a heavy import duty. Imagine, buying a proton for twice the price; would you purchase one? The indian market is very competitive and huge. We have really strict emission norms out here and thats one of the reasons why the Chinese aren’t able to sell their products here. The cars need to be tested by an automotive body for fitness and various other tests before it is approved for India. Indians are very cautious about the cars they purchase, and are brand conscious, so a strategic alliance with Mahindra will help proton boost their sales. Besides, Mahindra makes pretty good diesel engines too, I am not sure whether proton makes diesels; please enlighten me.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37299 Joe Ooi Tue, 18 Apr 2006 01:37:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37299 Honda_driver - This info from "wristle-blower" which I also can't substantiate. VW had gone through same process, at the end, the deal also not materialize. If Proton really have partnership with Mits, why after the signing of partnership, there are still many press statements by P1 with so many auto parties from Dragonland and India? The sensible scenario is they should stop make press announcement on partnership and come out with new model with Mits! As Motorhead said," … wish Lancer wil be out soon, to replace our old wira… hehehe… " About the fuel tank material, this is info from "wristle-blower", to be frank, I myself do not have any info as to what material currently they use to make fuel tank as well as the mentioned non-ferrous material. The message above is purely I act as "messager" only. Actually I am asking just like you, hope someone with the info can come forward to explain in greater details. Honda_driver – This info from “wristle-blower” which I also can’t substantiate. VW had gone through same process, at the end, the deal also not materialize. If Proton really have partnership with Mits, why after the signing of partnership, there are still many press statements by P1 with so many auto parties from Dragonland and India? The sensible scenario is they should stop make press announcement on partnership and come out with new model with Mits! As Motorhead said,” … wish Lancer wil be out soon, to replace our old wira… hehehe… ”

About the fuel tank material, this is info from “wristle-blower”, to be frank, I myself do not have any info as to what material currently they use to make fuel tank as well as the mentioned non-ferrous material. The message above is purely I act as “messager” only. Actually I am asking just like you, hope someone with the info can come forward to explain in greater details.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37287 motorhead Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:27:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37287 Yea, Joe.. if u dont belive me u can ask ripley.. but i asked poton ppl... i wud like to drive a mitsu.. even if it from proton.. technology & engineering is more important... wish Lancer wil be out soon, to replace our old wira... hehehe... Yea, Joe.. if u dont belive me u can ask ripley.. but i asked poton ppl…

i wud like to drive a mitsu.. even if it from proton.. technology & engineering is more important… wish Lancer wil be out soon, to replace our old wira… hehehe…

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37279 honda_driver Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:53:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37279 joe, need to clarify a few things with what you've said.. This is to prop up their plummeting share vale! Believe it or not! you ask “Ripley”. not sure what you mean by this, but somehow, its seems like proton did sign a partnership with mitsu again, with the president of mmu, and rafidah there as well. it was in the papers and tv as well. are you saying the whole signing ceremony was an elaborate hoax? about the fuel tank info, i would think non-ferrous materials should withstand salt better right? and since when was copper used as a material for fuel tanks? dont ask me, i'm not an engineer, thats why i'm asking. joe, need to clarify a few things with what you’ve said..

This is to prop up their plummeting share vale! Believe it or not! you ask “Ripley”.

not sure what you mean by this, but somehow, its seems like proton did sign a partnership with mitsu again, with the president of mmu, and rafidah there as well. it was in the papers and tv as well. are you saying the whole signing ceremony was an elaborate hoax?

about the fuel tank info, i would think non-ferrous materials should withstand salt better right? and since when was copper used as a material for fuel tanks? dont ask me, i’m not an engineer, thats why i’m asking.

]]> By: mycar_stolen http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37270 mycar_stolen Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:25:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37270 2 heads is better than one..... but two not so smart heads maybe..bigger flop p/s Proton is what bring the Msian down, Proton is like national soccer team only waste of money and waste of time only good for certain people. 2 heads is better than one…..
but two not so smart heads maybe..bigger flop

p/s Proton is what bring the Msian down, Proton is like national soccer team only waste of money and waste of time only good for certain people.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37243 motorhead Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:13:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37243 Mr Biggie.. u sound so technical la... i like u very much.. i think u r a factory towkeh.. can i have yr email??.. like to share technical stuff with u... Mr Biggie.. u sound so technical la… i like u very much.. i think u r a factory towkeh.. can i have yr email??.. like to share technical stuff with u…

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37240 Joe Ooi Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:58:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37240 biggie - I do not have info on the properties of Nylon, perhaps you have knowledge and can explain in greater details! biggie – I do not have info on the properties of Nylon, perhaps you have knowledge and can explain in greater details!

]]> By: biggie http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37231 biggie Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:39:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37231 joe do you know the material property of nylon or not? then you can talk about it fragility lah -biggie joe
do you know the material property of nylon or not? then you can talk about it fragility lah

-biggie

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37225 Joe Ooi Mon, 17 Apr 2006 05:22:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37225 This is "wristle-blower" from Proton "Strategic Alliance" - Nothing is true and everything is speculative. How can so many "alliances" announcement being made in very short of time? The real intention is to show the shareholder P1 do something. This is to prop up their plummeting share vale! Believe it or not! you ask "Ripley". "Quality campaige" - Everything is design to carry out "marketing hype" to increase sales, especially to clear 2005 stock! Believe it or not! you ask "Ripley". Believe it or not - Proton quality campaige not more than "lip service". There are "credible" info saying Proton want to carry out cost cutting by introduce non-ferrous material (nylon type) to replace copper type for fuel tank - Gen-2 and Satria. This material is from Euro tech with max. pressure up to 105 degree celcious but non-resistance to salty condition (seaside). Do it fragile if get hit in accident? This tech may suitable for temperate countries only! Other reason for Euro to use it is recycleable material. This is “wristle-blower” from Proton

“Strategic Alliance” – Nothing is true and everything is speculative. How can so many “alliances” announcement being made in very short of time? The real intention is to show the shareholder P1 do something. This is to prop up their plummeting share vale! Believe it or not! you ask “Ripley”.

“Quality campaige” – Everything is design to carry out “marketing hype” to increase sales, especially to clear 2005 stock! Believe it or not! you ask “Ripley”.

Believe it or not – Proton quality campaige not more than “lip service”. There are “credible” info saying Proton want to carry out cost cutting by introduce non-ferrous material (nylon type) to replace copper type for fuel tank – Gen-2 and Satria. This material is from Euro tech with max. pressure up to 105 degree celcious but non-resistance to salty condition (seaside). Do it fragile if get hit in accident? This tech may suitable for temperate countries only! Other reason for Euro to use it is recycleable material.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37217 motorhead Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:28:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37217 This time strategic alliance... different story... but up to u to believe.. i heard from poton ppl... i oso looking forward... This time strategic alliance… different story… but up to u to believe.. i heard from poton ppl… i oso looking forward…

]]> By: pycazu http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37216 pycazu Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:23:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37216 I think this could lead to disaster to both companies, my personal view. While M&M cars maybe really tough looking and solid, but i can't figure how it will be popular in M'sia, hardly. Tata must perform much better than M&M with its small K-car alike design and good FC, definitely what M'sian are looking for. Same to P1, their car models definitely won't go far at India too, Milo tin chassis, chi-chat sound around, freaking design, No any advantage i can foresee if they gonna market P1 cars there. I see no light, at all! I think this could lead to disaster to both companies, my personal view. While M&M cars maybe really tough looking and solid, but i can’t figure how it will be popular in M’sia, hardly. Tata must perform much better than M&M with its small K-car alike design and good FC, definitely what M’sian are looking for.
Same to P1, their car models definitely won’t go far at India too, Milo tin chassis, chi-chat sound around, freaking design, No any advantage i can foresee if they gonna market P1 cars there. I see no light, at all!

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37209 honda_driver Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:08:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37209 "proton actually will marry mitsu again!!." didnt proton just sign a deal with mitsu 2 months ago, and proton stated that a new proton model based on mitsu will be out next year? it was all over the news. “proton actually will marry mitsu again!!.”
didnt proton just sign a deal with mitsu 2 months ago, and proton stated that a new proton model based on mitsu will be out next year?

it was all over the news.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37202 motorhead Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:30:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37202 Latest info... proton actually will marry mitsu again!!.. leak info from a poton staff... Latest info… proton actually will marry mitsu again!!.. leak info from a poton staff…

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37187 honda_driver Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:46:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37187 as usual, we always jump the gun with our comments. Mahindra may be tiny in malaysia, but in india, they sell millions of mahindras. i think thats the key here, not the malaysian market. as usual, we always jump the gun with our comments. Mahindra may be tiny in malaysia, but in india, they sell millions of mahindras. i think thats the key here, not the malaysian market.

]]> By: accordmania http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37176 accordmania Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:30:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37176 why lah???? tTop mgmt in proton no eyes no brain one ka? stupid + stupid = stupiest, this is what will happend when they tied-up, let's see proton repeats mistakes again and again. Spoiled child will never learn why lah???? tTop mgmt in proton no eyes no brain one ka? stupid + stupid = stupiest, this is what will happend when they tied-up, let’s see proton repeats mistakes again and again. Spoiled child will never learn

]]> By: intermilan http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37118 intermilan Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:05:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37118 desperado. desperado.

]]> By: ir_entau http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37097 ir_entau Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:13:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37097 i dont understand why "We" must be negative in perspective....lets give them some chance....(e.g AOL Time warner two big company after merged price gone down from USD 49 or 52 and now is USD 18 ) if still proven the quality is to be at the same level, we as a consumer have the right not to buy....The key issue now is management.....How can they manage the partnership in order to have better synernergy outcome. i dont understand why “We” must be negative in perspective….lets give them some chance….(e.g AOL Time warner two big company after merged price gone down from USD 49 or 52 and now is USD 18 ) if still proven the quality is to be at the same level, we as a consumer have the right not to buy….The key issue now is management…..How can they manage the partnership in order to have better synernergy outcome.

]]> By: StingRayINC http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37090 StingRayINC Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:17:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37090 Potong and Mahin said let's die together Potong and Mahin said let’s die together

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37082 mystvearn Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:00:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37082 Even though step down with chinese car maker, proton should come out something like this http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/M14.html How much does tihs model cost? BTW, I had to LOL when I saw this pic http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/B13.html This is the first time I am seeing a car on display with the plastics still on the seats. Even though step down with chinese car maker, proton should come out something like this
http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/M14.html
How much does tihs model cost?

BTW, I had to LOL when I saw this pic
http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/B13.html
This is the first time I am seeing a car on display with the plastics still on the seats.

]]> By: Ah-Ba http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37081 Ah-Ba Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:51:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37081 Then we got a new car maker call "Proton-Mah" Then we got a new car maker call “Proton-Mah”

]]> By: willy http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37080 willy Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:34:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37080 The current Protons are pretty crappy already and why the hell they want to tie up with this Indian's "car maker"? How to elevate Proton's image like that? Gila lah. The current Protons are pretty crappy already and why the hell they want to tie up with this Indian’s “car maker”? How to elevate Proton’s image like that? Gila lah.

]]> By: kendo http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37077 kendo Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:40:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37077 tie up next with china cheery, fun, impressive, and hopefully, TRULY CHEAP http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/QQ.html may be proton use it to attack P2 tie up next with china cheery,
fun, impressive,
and hopefully,
TRULY CHEAP
http://www.alado.com.my/web/models/QQ.html

may be proton use it to attack P2

]]> By: weewee http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37074 weewee Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:19:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37074 sigh.. sigh..

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37073 motorhead Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:18:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37073 What??.. Mahindra???.. this is 2 steps behind plan!! If this is true, i feel sorry la for poton... thats it!! bye-bye la.. u r finish la.. wrong move man... Mahindra selling very good meh??.. hardly can see one.... what a stupid plan.... Thx God we ve P2!!.. Looks like P2 will be my choice again... What??.. Mahindra???.. this is 2 steps behind plan!! If this is true, i feel sorry la for poton… thats it!! bye-bye la.. u r finish la.. wrong move man… Mahindra selling very good meh??.. hardly can see one…. what a stupid plan….

Thx God we ve P2!!.. Looks like P2 will be my choice again…

]]> By: REDDEVIL http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37070 REDDEVIL Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:43:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37070 not really convince for the alliance.. very bad move for the proton.. should get a more reliable and strong partnership if proton want to progress further. lousy strategic alliance... may be good for proton to offload wiras to india.. hehe.... not really convince for the alliance.. very bad move for the proton.. should get a more reliable and strong partnership if proton want to progress further.

lousy strategic alliance… may be good for proton to offload wiras to india.. hehe….

]]> By: hetfield85 http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37066 hetfield85 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:33:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37066 Haizz, Proton need to make strategic alliance with bigger and more competitive companies.Why should Proton make an alliance with a company that worst than Proton? Haizz, Proton need to make strategic alliance with bigger and more competitive companies.Why should Proton make an alliance with a company that worst than Proton?

]]> By: GT27 http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37065 GT27 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:13:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37065 Please don't do the strategic alliance with India's Mahindra & Mahindra, I think Mahindra & Mahindra is worst than Proton. It will be a bad move for Proton, and the Proton's image will be worsten than before. Please don’t do the strategic alliance with India’s Mahindra & Mahindra, I think Mahindra & Mahindra is worst than Proton. It will be a bad move for Proton, and the Proton’s image will be worsten than before.

]]> By: weewee http://paultan.org/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37062 weewee Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:46:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/proton-and-mahindra-strategic-alliance/#comment-37062 Judging from this 'strategic alliance', i'm pretty certain that it would benefit Proton well. The Indian market is huge and all Proton needs its to introduce a low cost and fuel economy vehicle. The Savvy could be a hit there, but not to sure about the current models though. It'll be good to see proton coming out with at least 2 new models adding to their current line up. Judging from this ’strategic alliance’, i’m pretty certain that it would benefit Proton well. The Indian market is huge and all Proton needs its to introduce a low cost and fuel economy vehicle. The Savvy could be a hit there, but not to sure about the current models though. It’ll be good to see proton coming out with at least 2 new models adding to their current line up.

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