P/S can anybody tell me reason(s) to support Proton and and what you get as a feedback?

one comment E46 also not good after 2 years, yes agree it cant be a car will in tip top all the time. it depends on driver,driving style,maintenance etc thats why we have percentage studies.

anytime on the road when I see Msian in Proton at junctions, traffic lights, parkings I know they are not happy.yes they can say my P1 is good to drive from A to B but is it really worth to pay..how about and extra visit to repair broken power window(oh my god this is a very old story), fast broken dampers,etc etc…
btw Joe…hope you get your Toyota ASAP. please get back your smile.

?? sure or not… sound crazy!!

I guess if Naza is assembling the car, the body will come without the peugeot logo. I’m sure ppl will find a way to change it anyway

I’m more afraid of having my rear logos stolen… dunno how many times i’ve see hondas around with their logos missing.

Actually loss of taxes may recoup from higher sales volumn as more consumers can affort new and higher range car. If Autralia is use as an indication with similar population, our passenger cars annual sales might jump 2 time or 800,000 units instead of around 400,000 units, by those upgrade or new buyer (including average frequency of change). That my add comments. So roadtax incremeent keep to minimum.

mtay,

if u refer to my comments on NX02 spyshot… I did mentioned that Peugeot 206 is a good car. I have no doubt abt that . but what left to be seen is the QUALITY OF its cloned.. NX02. !

Can we please have a discussion on the pros and cons of the 206 WITHOUT mentioning P1, P2, P 133, NAP, etc.? Please?

I drive a 206, so I’d like to share a little first-hand experience with everyone. But first, I wanna clear up a bit of miscommunication posted earlier.

#1. Pug 206 was first launched in 1996, but only launched in M’sia in 2000. So yes, it is actually a 10-year old model.

#2. Many people say continental cars are high maintenance, unreliable etc. My car is 6 yrs old, no mechanical problems.

#3. Yes, it only does 74 bHP. But there’s more to performance than just horsepower.

Here’s what I like about the car:

- Cost of ownership: My road tax is now only RM96 per year. I spend an average of RM1K to RM2K per year on maintenance and repairs. And that’s at C&C, which is crazy on labour charges.

- Fuel consumption. I average 10km per litre. My driving style is very (very, very) aggressive. When my gf was driving the car for awhile she averaged about 13km per litre.

- The engine turns first time every morning, and best of all there’s no irritating “squeek squeek” belt sound that I suffered from my previous cars (a 1996 proton, and a 2002 Nissan Sentra).

- Body strength. My rear bumper has been “kissed” four times. Twice, the guys who banged me had to have major work done on their bonnets. Up until the last one, there wasn’t even a scratch. Now the bumper has started to peel slightly, but that’s it. When this happened to my Nissan & Proton last time, the bumper dropped after a couple days. So, exterior build strength is actually pretty good.

- Handling. I’m on stock suspension. Car handles corners so much better than Wira, Sentra, Civic, and Accord which I also regularly drive (my past cars and family’s cars la… not mine, k?). It didn’t twitch going thru the bends on the Karak highway; in the Civic, I almost died.

- “POWERRRRR” (sound familiar?). The powerplant’s output is indeed rather low @ approx. 74 bHP, but there’s no shortage of pickup, especially at lower revs. I forget how they do it exactly, it’s something to do with the car having a heavier than normal flywheel.

It goes pretty fast on the highway too… but of course I don’t go above 110 (:P)

Cons?

The crappy air-con. It’s 10% air-con and 90% heater (mine is built for British weather). Let’s hope NAZA puts a Denso or at least a properly climatised unit in there.

There are also some minor (and quite common) niggles with the indicator stalk. I’ve had to change mine twice in the past 6 years. No problem getting the part, though.

Rims with the right offset (PCD 108) are not easy to find.

When I first heard Naza was doing the 206, my first reaction was “time to change car”. But now, I’ve reconsidered, I’ve keeping the car and hoping this will mean ppl will start bringing in more affordable performance parts and kits.

I think if Naza does their job properly, you’ve got a pretty good car coming.

Cheers.

Ever heard the saying “Grass isn’t always greener on the other side”

Not all cars are great ok. Yeah Proton sucks, quality wise (in some cases) but personally having owned and used more than my fair share of National, Japanese, Korean and Euro Car, I must say these lopsided view you have that only Proton car suxx is rather naive, as by your own admission the Proton MArque is the only brand you have used… Try using a Korean Kia for a week. Or use a E46 3 Series that starts to give problems after 2 yrs of ownership (despite paying RM200k+) …get around more. used more cars then maybe you would understand what I mean.

BAck to topic.

The NX02-rebadge 206, big deal.What make you think the spares won’t be as expensive to the Savvy’s as Peugeot also originates from France so who’s to say the air filter won’t cost as much.

-National
-Artwork (Design)
-Zero
-Attitude

The 1.1L engine is from HDMC, which is a joint venture between Harbin Dongan Auto Engine Co., Ltd, Harbin Dongan Engine Manufacturing Co., and Harbin Aircraft manufacturing Corp from China, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation and Mitsubishi Corporation from Japan, and MCIC Holdings Sdn. Bhd. from Malaysia.

Sorry but I think statements to the contrary are wrong.

Source:
a) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naza_Sutera
b) http://www.hdmc-engine.com.cn/gsjj-e.htm

He suppose can give you answer as look at the way he posted comments here like to jump into “emotional conclusions” before ask for clarification. He can come out with all kind of detritous of nasty comments as he have a lot of knowledge since he may “related to P1″. His comment can be sum up as “judgemental – lack of knowledge yet full of hatred”. Remembered motorpro, I still respect your right of opinion even though I may not agree with what you say. I am just a layman to learn and in search of truth, not to argue who is right who is wrong!

Who know that Savvy AIR FILTER cost RM800!!!!?

Ha ha ha.. I don’t know how to react when been told about this by the Proton Authorised Service Centre ppl.

Damn la.. why did i asked about it in the first place. i tot savvy is ok… but see.. AIR FILTER RM800!!

Anybody know how much Ferrari air filer cost tak?

when ask why this crazy price, they said it from Renault…. whatever the stupid reason is, this is a pure crazy price for an air filter of a RM43K car.

The air filter cost 1.8% of total car cost.

Maybe coz the air filter come together with the container sekali.. but still..

i’m sure any savvy owner will masam muka once they realise about this. Perhaps potong will locally assemble it later to reduce the price. Good Luck SAVOC members!

btw..u say that myv sales is dropping..and have ready stock..y i search so many branch and dealer but cant find 1 with ready stock?motopro..can u let me know where i can find a ready stock myv? wanna book 1..

im a potong owner too…but cant find any proud owning 1…

So don’t blame consumer like me giving P1 more than 10 years chance. FYI, I promise ot myself won’t make “3rd mistakes” by owning another P1 car. Better buy second hand Toyota or Honda. I check wit Perodua showroom, Their waiting period for MyVi is “slightly” reduce from 8 or 9 months to 6 months, not due to slow sales as claim by you but due to they ramp up their production to meet the demand. Savvy, huh, can get car upon loan approval (as short as 48 hours – not bcause of big production capacity but under demand from market).

Ask for clarification first before you jump into nasty conclusion about where I come from. I am here to solemnly declare that I am not coming from Perodua, Proton or Naza but just a “frustrated” x 100% Proton car owner! Name the fatal accident, there is post in Paul Tan previous blog about this! You go and find out your self. This post is less than a month old! You talk about Sutera, I frankly speaking I cannot and not in the position to talk like about Iswara and Waja. So let us see how Sutera fair in the market.

You are the one who have to think wisely given that you claim P1 support our national economy? Think wisely, how much tax payer moeny invest in P1 set up yet 20 years later still have to support P1 in the form of NAP CarTaxLand, or support all the crocs pocket. You mentioned that oyu do market study, where is the findings and result, just post here to prove your point! ha, ha, ha, … if cannot post then retract back your statement?

I respect honda_driver rights of opinion but not necessary have to agree with him just like about his argument that VW RM 42 million investment is a “mistake”. But for me, NAP and P1 screw up VW investment! See previous Paul Tan blog and you will find not the revelation of Europe Holyland Da Vinci code, but the verdict of Bolehland P1 code developed by Motorhead and NeedGoodCar!

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE DECLARATION AND TO STRONGLY STATED THAT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU IN RESPECT OF THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT BY YOU: –
“If yr intention is to KILL P1..u r wasting yr time cos u dont really know them well..I hv full confidance and I m driving P1 car and so far I m happy not like you! So u like others than BE IT..dont spoil the market OK…let Malaysian decide not you decide for them!”

How do you proof this statement is reflected me given the above explanantion on my Iswara and Waja car? In my life owning car, currently I own P1 car only, still no other brand eventhough I clarify that I won’t own 3rd P1 car due to my valid reasons. How and in what way I am as an individual can spoil P1 market? When I say that I decide and when I said not let Malaysian in general to decide! Self imagination conclusion, baseless without just cause and excuse. Luckily I a am not LKY, if so will sue you for defamation and claim for general and examplary damages, later make you bankrap! Ha, ha, ha, …. I stop here, wastig my time to elaborate and argue with a person tainted by P1 DNA. Good luck to you for you confidence and happy about P1 car>

It shows that you r really emotional and true facts that u probably from either PEODUA staff or NAZA cos u reaction is so obvious. U actually no nuts! and just know how to critics P1.

Name me fatal accident as wht u claim due to P1 car quality? Evidence please. Pls refer to Hafei Lobo @ Sutera crash test at 40 KM and see what happen…the whole chasis crash up to the middle part and no used having AIR BAG if that will only protect yr handsome/pretty face where the rest of yr body parts is already smash into peaces.

Think wisely not simply jumping to conclusion,..that is only think i hv to say about you Joe..If yr intention is to KILL P1..u r wasting yr time cos u dont really know them well..I hv full confidance and I m driving P1 car and so far I m happy not like you! So u like others than BE IT..dont spoil the market OK…let Malaysian decide not you decide for them!

and btw joe ooi, what motopro is saying has not come true yet, whether it fails or not. So the very fact that you criticise him, you are not entirely right. Same goes for what you are saying as well. Half of what you say has not come to past either, so you are not entirely right as well. Its perfectly ok to put forward your arguments, but you are doing it in a way that you are already 100% correct when you are not.

I think you should join proton joe, since seem to have a sound strategy, maybe with your contribution, they can actually succeed as an automobile manufacturer. better than just NATO.

Joe Ooi –
Give the new Proton MD a chance, who deny him a chance? which consumers can stop him to perform for P1. If you ask me, given a chance, I can confidently say MD SZ will SUCCESSFULLY LEAD Toyota in world market, but Proton will FAIL SZ MISERY in Bolehland domestic market! “Just like Jose Maurinho can lead Chelsea successfully in EPL, but ATM will fail him misery in Malaysian Super League!”

In what way P1 as GLC Company they support our national economy? If that is the case, then NAP shall be expunge from our auto market equation and let P1 compete in level playing field. Why ask consumers to make “patriotic contribution” under CarTaxLand? I had done economic analysis, conclusion is P1 is liability to Bolehland, P1 together with NAP is a culprit and become “Moral Hazard” to our nation. The economic cost (additionl tax: 300% – 5%)to consumers in 2004 alone is more than RM 8 Billion, in 20 years existence perhaps more than RM 100 Billion, how much tax P1 pay to G, definitely less than RM 5 Billion for the last 20 years!

“right until our child scolarship” – where is evidence and record show P1 extend scholarship to public at large! Show the evidence! Otherwise retract back your baseless statement!

You said that “now you guys intend to KILL the product just becos u feel like u deserve better?” Do you know how many got kill on the road because of P1 unsafe car, which if G take preventive action, can be avoided? Of course, this is because both of P1 and NAP, we deny the chance to buy better car at lowest price given the CarTaxLand prices. Why ask consumers to pay highest/exorbitant just because of P1! The issue here is not and consumers never fail to support P1, but P1 fail everybody, G, even NAP misery, outright disappoinment!

motopro – “Trust me guys, I did my study on market and found thta after NAP, the whole automotive industry facing critical situation.”

Joe Ooi – I challenge you post your market study here” Let what kind of findings oyu have! or you talking bullshit!

You talk about Savvy, you even can say Savvy can beat Ferrari in F1, say what you ant to say without justification. Just ask you one simple question – What is the purpose of Savvy and MyVi in our market? SALE – the no.1 KPI! So sales for Savvy is how many unit say up to Dec 05, or just in March 06. MyVi delivered more than 7,000 units in March 06, how many units Savvy achieve, please post here! But my friend happen to be component supplier to Savvy told me that their initial monthly projection for that component (use 1 unit in 1 car)is 1,500 but later reduced to 750. If this is an indication, Savvy sales is approximately 10% of MyVi, what big ash talk you want to boost here?

motopro – “Think a while and understand my words than u will knw the truth!”

Many of us think and discuss until have “no mood” to talk already as P1 always NATO – Talk Only No Action. The sad truth is P1 is liability to our nation from using tax payers money to set up more than 20 years ago until today consumers still have to support P1 in the form of “patriotic contribution, aka CarTaxLand” P1 never creating wealth to nation but always suck consumers blood!

Like SAVVY people condemnd 100% but suddently silent WHY? Bcos it is proved to be a excellent car and best part is that the bit MYV on the track. 6 units of full modified MY-V cannot bit 1 single unit of original spec SAVVY..Not the speed but the ride-n-handling guys…It is a evolution so trust me while we are commenting they r reading and improving but let us give them a chance, not only them but to everyone of our local national Car. Be proud of our cars..Dont talk about Malaysia Boleh if we cannot!

Think a while and understand my words than u will knw the truth!

Yes, you may hv yr reason this and that, but bare in mind that being a car manufacturer not assemblying company is not easy. They spend billions of dollars to deliver gd design and product to Malaysian suddently came along this pirates of clonning and distroy the market by producing such car and with propaganda they managed to squeez yr mentality and perception towards other manufacturers bcos they knew this is the right time to hit cos people started to hate the product.

Having award on the most trusted product by Readers Digest may not be a big deal to some negative people but as for me being a Malaysian, I am proud to say that the sampling came from Malaysian and if they really hate the product of PROTON why must they vote for that product? Answer is there are 1.5 millions proud owners of PROTON still in the market and they feel like the car is still relaible and affordable.

Now you guys talk about clonning cars, why not clone BMW, Merz why must it be H.LOBO @ Sutera, PUG206 god knows wht else? Study the HISTORY guys not the PRICE or names of company?

Last time when talk about PUG206 and othr models people are scared and condamned bcos of the reselling values…Imagine PUG306 buying at RM 80+K yr made 97 now cost only RM 11K. Stil no buyers. Reason high maintanance. Now suddently PUG206 everyone say good, excellent, perfect..WHY? Is tht bcos you want to KILL your national CAR PROTON? Sorry guys that the fact I can see frm most of us…we act based on emotional not the fact! If my statement is wrong about China engine used by them, meaning that the same reason as for continental will continue..Dont give me reasons that the price of the parts is now cheap bcos of NAZA…

Give the new Proton MD a chance to proof his word and as a GLC Company they support our national economy right until our child scolarship and now you guys intend to KILL the product just becos u feel like u deserve better?