I was just replying hypothetically to Johanbey.

With the cars I have I don’t need for an overpriced FF Hot Hatch

I’m not, as you say, a NATO..muahaha

Superman,

206Gti 2.0 16v 180bhp can be order what?
but must got $$ la.. no point NATO only.. like got $$$..

hehehe..

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_4195add5-cb73c03a-1b8b3bb0-81e4569b

Why such a stupid sounding name ?

JohanBey

BTW if it was a normal GEN.2 1.6 or a 1.4/1.6 Naza 206 clone I’d buy neither. Unless it’s a GEN.2 R3 (if they ever make it) or 206 GTi (2.0 16v 180bhp)

looks like you are a big fan of NAZA and Nasimuddin… oh well.

If you can abide a company that hold a MAJOR monopoly on APs, “cheat” the Govt on unpaid tax, under declare ALL their imported cars, in turn maximising their profits, which help fund their current business, then so be it.

as you said they are “innovative” in creating a profit….

If you’ve been reading NST you will know that Naza has a big vendor park opposite the factory in Gurun, Kedah. The Koreans/French have had their vendors to give technical assistance to truly develop local vendors to improve quality.

The story about Naza & Raf!d@# is just a smokescreen spread by the ‘other one’ – the one that has NO factory, NO dealer network, nothing built with their own hands. Unlike Naza which started from humble beginnings in 1974 and slowly grew, these guys started in a flash of an eye and now all 3 of their directors own a HELICOPTER each!! Nasimuddin? He goes to work by car.

Sorry but I think all the sly comments are based more on jealousy than facts, so I’m putting in something to counter that. Be rational lah! What we need is more choice in the market so the big fellows can give more offerings to the MALAYSIAN CONSUMER!

You think the Japanese are not making TONS of money of the backs of Malaysians? Perodua is laughing all the way to the bank, Toyota too with 37,000 Avanza’s sold, and Honda too. Their Thai & Indonesian plants make money with the KD pack, and the local Toyota/Honda assembler makes money too. All this money goes out of the country and Malaysians keep lining up to buy 80k+ Vios/City which aren’t even sold globally! But when Nasimuddin earns big bucks, but also feeds over 20,000 Malaysians (own staff + vendors), its very wrong isn’t it? The same opportunities were given to hundreds if not thousands of others but they just sat on their fat @$$es and made a quick buck, and didn’t build up or invest in anything.

Crabs always pull down other crabs trying to get out of the bucket.

check out the last post of 16 may 06

http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/allposts.asp?summary=1&Forum=ap319603972&access=1&status=1&Subject=Naza+Bestari+aka+Peugeot+206&Closed=&page=3

anyway car is out tomorrow, no point kicking a fuss about who posted wat first.

Naza using the AP edge is called seizing opportunity and being innovative in creating profit margin. anyway they are earning merc buyers money not low-income earner like myself, so, whats the fuss? and using that money to reinvest and come-out with a lower-than-40%-content-national-car, thats called creative business strategy. able to get china, korea and now french partners in less than 5 years, thats visionary CEO leadership, coz you dont put all eggs in 1 basket, coming out with almost no-missed rebadge, Ria-MPV, Citra-Mini MPV, Sorento-SUV, Sutera-K Car and now (god! pls dont) Bestari-Hot Hatch, thats call marketing 101 aka common sense. Unlike some of the forgettable keh-leh-feh (chinese for extra actors) Tiara-crap, Juara-more crap, Arena-shit load of crap. (n.n,)v

gen-2 & 206 : if you are buying, which would you choose?

1. If metal base, our country never produce iron, steel, copper perhaps with exception of tin (not us in car)all are from other countries – Australia is one of the biggest iron ore producer. So can we concluded that all metal base is not local contents. For local components, it may produce in our country, who is the owner, FDI, foreign tech but produce locally. How do they measure it – in term of weight, technological content, monetary value, percentage (%) etc, etc, etc?

2. If plastic or other non-ferrous material, where the material come from, do it entirely from Bolehland, I don’t think so.

4. So one component a lone may gone through few thousand hand to process from many many many countries and end up the Proton is the “end user”, can it say as local content/component.

5. How about say Continental tyre buy rubber and petroliam base product and bring back to Germany to produce high performance tyre. Later export back to Malaysia as end/finish product. Hw to classified it – “local content but imported car components”?

The classification as local/foreign content/component is very opaque and unnecessary! As it will create the “domino effect which subject to never ending argument” except as an excuse or use as weapon by G and NAP to suck more money from us to feed big fat crocs! Every individual like us and even P1 can argue on local content/component but on what basis and how to define it.

How about Johore’s Rambutan from Air Hitam area export to Singapore, later process it and tin it as processed food, re-export as Made in Singapore “tropical longan”! WTF.

I still think the stigma of the NX02 being a peugeot will affect their sales somewhat. but thats just my opinion, i’m no expert unlike many of our fellow forummers here.

btw, does anyone realize naza is not a glc, so they dont get like 20mil grant to built a so-called RnD warehouse with almost free land in tanjung malim?

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NAZA ain’t a GLC but they get help in other ways.. like not paying full tax on RM730k Merc. Like selling the imported cars at full price but only giving a pitiful amount as “Tax & Excise Duty”

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Comment by tantan — 16/5/2006 at 11:39 am
NAZA are coming out with cars that are so called ‘copied’ but at least NAZA put the effort on trying to produce other car in its own plant and i do believe that NAZA will come up with its own design and own car.
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Incredibly , NAZA gets praise for doing the same thing Proton started out doing 20 yrs ago….

p/s we organised Formula One but rakyat always driving outdated cars at very high price.this 1.4 auto is not the French will encourage you to buy.Unless you like to have a practice on puching the big buzzer like hazard like buttons.

malaysians have given up on homegrown designs, aka Proton designs. they suck. after the unpleasant experience of previous ‘local’ designs from Proton, now consumers feel safer to buy rebadged cars, at least it is proven. Who would want to be guinea pig a second time?

5 doors for such a small car is quite cramped. I heard NAZA will also be rebadging 307, is that true? The 307 is a muchh, muchh better buy, really! 5-door or not!

Besides, the 206 WRC rally car is so sexy. Wide body kit.

Renault Samsung Motors (Korean: 르노삼성 자동차) is a South Korean car maker. It was first established as Samsung Motors in 1994 and started selling cars in 1998, just before South Korea was hit by the Asian financial crisis. Negotiations with Renault started in December 1998 and in September 2000 Renault bought a 70% stake for $512 million.

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Samsung_Motors

Pure bull-headedness may not work this time. Through the end of September, Samsung had sold barely half the autos it had projected for all of 1998, its first year of production. (And many of those sales were to Samsung employees.) The company estimates its auto operations will lose $286 million this year – analysts say the actual number is likely to be much bigger. Giving up will not be cheap. Samsung has reportedly invested more than $3 billion in automobile operations including plant and equipment – the entire group’s debt is enormous. Within Samsung, debate is raging over whether the company should continue making cars. No one from Samsung is talking publicly, but inside sources say many more executives want the company out of the auto industry than the other way around.

taken from http://www.pathfinder.com/asiaweek/98/1106/biz_2_samsung.html

from my observation, samsung went into automotive industry is because of the owner’s passion for car, sounds like how they started proton. but eventually, after failing to takeover Kia motors, everything look bleak and renault came in and bought stakes, sounds like what VW wanted to do. but proton didnt take the bait and decided to stay single in the age of marriage industry.