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correct . gen.2 is underpowered in low rpm.. the power just enough to move car. in case , suddenly u full release the clutch pedal the engine will stop. so, the car will not jerk and hit the front car. save ur money, time and “NCB” insurance. good car right?

need more power?.. push more the gas pedal, till you get the full 110bhp!
anyway go to proton edar/eon and test drive the car b4 u buy.good luck.

Joe Ooi said,
May 19, 2006 @ 1:35 pm

raybrig85 – OK lah just to share knowledge with you.

“Cheap or Expensive” is layman jargon or daily use by aci-asuh, ah-chek apek at pasar selling and buying daily essential like fish, vege, rice, etc. This is so call “pasar language”.

So, now I try to explain in proper context, that is from economic (theory) perspective: –

“Cheap” or “Expensive” is “extreme obsolute measurement on opposite side” of prices in term of “minimum” and maximum”. “Cheap” may be goods and services available in the “mass market” which is affordable, perhaps on a daily basis. For example a glass of Chinese tea or plain water say at 30 sen is “Cheap” and almost affordable to everybody in the market. So what is “Expensive”? Say Airbus 380 Superjumbo 550 seats may cost more than RM 1.20 Billion a piece is consider “Expensive” as it is “nich market” which few corporate aviation client can afford it. “Cheap or Expensive” in proper economic context, is inappropriate or shall not be use in “comparative analysis”.

So comeback to your case, Suzuki Swift, Toyota Yaris or Honda Jazz is not even consider “cheap” at around RM 40 – RM 55 K if you can get it directly from factory without go through CarTaxLand. Not every body can afford at this price range and it is not the “cheapest” good and services in the market like Chinese tea.

So, in proper economic context, use of term for price comparative analysis are “Low or High Price(s)” is more appropriate to describe the relative price of goods and services, albeit “fair price or value for money”
= cost + mark up = price.
Mark up shall refer to prices operate under “free market rate” in which there is no “INTEFERENCE” (i.e. NAP) by external force to distort the Supply and Demand curve.

For comparing these three car under CarTaxLand,
More proper statement is Swift is high price, Yaris is higher price and Jazz is highest price.

If you go to Langkawi, where the price mechanism is operate under free market (”tak ada kacau dari NAP”).
Proper statement for these 3 cars is Jazz is low price, Yaris is lower price and Swift is lowest price (assume they are at same class and similar specs).

Walaueh, give you economic lesson ah,…. he, he, he…..

Anyway, nothing is disagree with you but just to share knowledge. I all the way same with you pertaining to NAP – is “patriotic contribution” lol.

“cheap or expensive” or “low or high price”, aiya, as far as you, me or anyone understand is OK loh, we don’t talk to Soro, IMF, World Bank, WTO mah,……

So to add more, there is no “right” or “wrong” in respect of “cheap/expensive” or “low/high prices”, but as a matter of appropriateness. Also, what language u r talking, “pasar/marketing” or “economic/professional”. However, there always “overlapping” as no clear boundary among them. But with this basic understanding, u have better way to assess whether the goods and services is “under or over price”.

Let give one more example in our daily life. When come to “MEGA SALES”, or some players in retail sector term it as “price war”! How true is true, let us assess on economic perspective of “low/high prices”.

“BIG SALES”, “HARGA RUNTUH”,”CHEAP GET CHEAPER”, “LOWEST PRICE”, “PURCHASE WITH PURCHASE”, “DISCOUNT UP TO 70%” etc, etc.

The reality are these hypermarket or supermarket still make profits as shown in their annual report, except some mid or smaller players “swallowed” by bigger player(s) in this dogmatic fight market.

The profits contributing factor(s) may include but not limited to the following: -
1. Hypermarket make profits not only by selling goods or products, but many products shown on shelf is actually supply by supplier and they have to rent the shelf to display their products – rental income.
2. All wastage bear by suppliers, either due to damage or theft.
3. They sale in big quantity and have achieve economy of scale in term of pricing.
4. They have a credit term which is very favorable to them at the expense of supplier – “interest free’ perhap up to year to roll supplier’s money.
5. Any promotion – all at the expense of supplier or manufacturer (perhap do at no profit or below cost) without affect their profit margin.
6. Some discount up to 70% – OK this is what I want to discuss. This is not a normal free market pricing mechanism – cost + mark up = profits, but may on the following: -
- Dumping price
- Clear old stock
Normally “new arrival” have no discount or normal 10% discount only on textile merchandise, the profit on this item normally average is 150%. So any shirt sale at RM 100.00, their cost is RM 40.00. So 10 shirt, they sale 8 at RM 100 and 2 at RM 30 (70% discount), Total turnover = RM 860
Profit = RM 860 – RM 400 (cost) = RM 460 = 115% (average)

So, the product is basically sale at “clear stock/dumping price”, still consider lower price by consumers perspective. So, in true sense, this case is neither “cheap” nor “lowest price” but is a dumping price. ALL MEGA SALES IS DUMPING PRICE STRATEGY!

For our P1 “Milo Tin On The Wheel” – Iswara, the pricing is still “high” considering it is outdated and protected under NAP. Furthermore, the R & D cost should be recovered long ago by Mits, but P1 is “Moral Hazard” and still selling at this price knowing very well that our consumers is “captured market”. This is not “cheap” but actually still consider as “high price” product. Therefore, we can fairly say P1 is suck!

SORRY LOL ……, SO LONG YET OFF TOPIC!

“mits27 said “Toyota yaris is cheaper then Honda Jazz a little bit”
Let me rewording your statement to reflect more accurately on the pricing of Yaris and Jazz:-
“Both the Toyota Yaris’s price is “very high” and Honda Jazz’s price is “much more higher”!”

Please don’t offend, I compare the car in the range of yaris and jazz, that’s why it is okay to say yaris is little cheaper than jazz. Every one know, malaysia car price has one of the most expensive car price in the world. Because in reality, the yaris and jazz should be around 40k to 50k.

If SRM is better than other protons…… then no hope oledi. Iswara is “Milo Tin On The Wheel”, then SRM is “Tissue Box On The Wheel”………crap, I heard from P1 insider SRM is use back Satria body with “cosmetic” upgrade only. Idf it is true, what do you expect!

hope fully srm will better than other protons….i heard that campro engine in gen 2 is underpowered…is it true??

I wonder how Proton can ever “stock habis”.

They’re still producing the PROTON SAGA ISWARA goddamnit.

Joe Ooi, close shop or foreigner take over? *That* itself isn’t realistic – cuz it’s not gonna happen. Haha.

If you play Starcraft, type “power overwhelming” and you’ll realise you’re playing like Proton.

Proton can close shop..because human start it so human can close the company. This is not a God act. Why you people make like ‘overpriced jointly cheap moving metal Proton” so superior.
remember nobody is perfect so with Proton it can be open for sure it can be close down.

Close shop or foreigner take over is “realistic” but G make it “unrealistic” – So force us to make “patriotic contribution” in this CarTaxLand.

abe – better to pray for P1 close shop or foreigner take over by next year or next-next year is more realistic.
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i never pray for that, wasted. even wira SE also very hard to sell. proton have sell it to the 4th world country to clear the stock..

They’re still producing the PROTON SAGA ISWARA goddamnit.

Joe Ooi, close shop or foreigner take over? *That* itself isn’t realistic – cuz it’s not gonna happen. Haha.

If you play Starcraft, type “power overwhelming” and you’ll realise you’re playing like Proton.

the SRM looks plain on the bumper..

rumours..
next year or next-next year, proton mini-mpv after the wira/iswara stock habis.

p/s Just tested the Caldina GT4, NOT ONLY ME HAPPY THE SALESMAN ALSO..because only can test drive with potential buyer.hopefully can drive around with my daughter in it.fun for family super power for daddy.:-)

SRM should be using Gen.2 Chassis coz P1 only has 3 platforms. Which are A (small cars i.e Savvy), B (medium cars i.e. Gen.2, Waja, SRM) and C (larger cars, i.e NEW V6???)

p.s. Honda Jazz from Thailand lar…