I intend to purchase a Kenari now, anyone can provide me advise?

http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/road-test…

put savvy on the track test and showed commendable performance. but sales is still 1 p1 = 6 p2. it shows overall package is the real deal.

hmm p1 ppl might think "wow it takes 6 p2 to defeat 1 p1…" dumb-founded ass.

put ppl in F1 and say we are in F1. put some ppl on top of mt everest then say we are on top of the world. buy lotus then say we make sports cars. cmon i'd rather be humble than be fake.

msia has got the potential and the resources to do proper r&d. but seeing how things are running, i'd rather migrate.

P1 should go back to its roots starting back from its humble beginning and start making cars the way it should be. y not throw away p1 and start a new line all over again? throw away the rotten apple in the basket. give it a new name or something. though managed by same ppl i assure u the impression will be different coz name is different.

we just want something that we can be proud of. when i was studying abroad whenever i hear an angmo say p1 sucks i just stayed quiet coz i malu.

we are not asking much but they shouldnt ask much from out pockets the first place.

P1, the rakyat is ur only lifeline. pls pls pls if u can understand simple english dun throw it away.

and its not that they were not protected or given incentives by the gman and support from loyal msians for 20 years…….

that trust and loyalty cannot be earned back….especially now that msians know that there are better cars out there that cost less and are more reliable besides having better performance. ….but its still true that the gman can still 'influence' us to buy proton….economically….whether u like it or not

proton of course will lose marketshare……just one look at the savvy explains all…….even for people who dont even know about proton.

When Proton use the tagline "Dare to change!" and right under the banner, they're still selling the Saga … I know this will come. Good job BODON

May 25, 2006 @ 12:02 am

What a big deal about “national car” status. This together with CBU, CKD, AP, etc is NAP “self created” classification design to suck more money from rakyat. Talk about majority % ownership also another criteria use by P1 to differentiate it from other as “national car” status. What is so great with this TITLE until many of us have to pay attention! and as it is deem lost face and patritism if we do not defend it.

agree with you this stupid terms only in TAXLAND…in other countries they have their minimu specifications requiremnts to ensure their "rakyat" satisfied and save.

in Malaysia it ensure CROCS to eat more and "rakyat" suffer and die.Malaysians is not the richest people in the world but need to pay more than the Americans, who can eplain this?

can we put this to an end? if we cant why we went to school at least for 17 years?

can decide how to use our own money? can we get thr FREEDOM to drive a better car? we cant wait for our MP's to fight for us? they got their AP then they keep quiet..we have to fight on our own proton must close shop.

Talk about "national", it is the yesteryear of jargon of 1980s, in which "patritic and nationalism" also incorporate into commercial project(s) and mainly own by GLC. What is the big deal about "national car" and GLC if this white elephant project suck more money from rakyat? Produce products that the majority of rakyat don't want? Luckily P2 "tidak terikut-ikut dengan cakap cakap P1", otherwise also get "P1 freak gene syndrome". P1 still go the gut to be claim as "national car"? At least P2 is part of greater big brother Toyota that can take on the world! P1 even can't survive in it own turf? WTF.

In today internal commercial world, ICT, knowledge economy, world class players, MNC is the jargons. P1 need to transform from GLC to MNC, Can P1 just like Toyota or Mercs become world class players? This is the real issue and challenges P1 have to tackle, not on "Limited Edition" on quality and "strategy alliance" talk cock in media! Remeber Toyota achieve world class player – local best and world best in products, not even mentioned as "Japanese Icon"! Mercs is part of DaimlerChryslers never make Mercs less German and Chrysler less American.

Actually there is no real invention by P1/NAP in auto sector, all are copy with the exception of AP, CarTaxLand, CBU, CKD, "national car", crocs, etc. is the "original invention" in this Bolehland. That is the only invention in our car market! Blood sucking money grabbing monster…………..

1. Talk about content – if metal base component in the car, fairly to say all are imported because Bolehland only produce tin (now also almost minimum). So "national car" but "imported content"? This is just like British claim of "tea drinking" is part of "Britishness" identity, yet all tea are imported.

So, this is non issue and redundance but P1 make it so serious as one of criteria to define "national car".

2. "National" (except National brand for electrical appliances) is a bygone word for today free market commercialism. Please don't follow P1, still in 1980s mentality – "body grown but baby mentality after 21 years". Today commercial world is so challenging and sometime brutal in fighting for customers. We live in ICT knowledge base economy. Globalization, open market and trade liberalization is the jargon of today world class achievement. As I mentioned previously, Toyota never boost of "Japanese Icon" (at least can't find in Toyota Corporation website) but strive for continous improvement, innovation, strong tradition of R & D, seek smart partnership, "Local Best" and "World Best".

For DaimlerChrysler merger, it don't make Daimler Mercs less German and Chysler less American. What both of them fighting for is the world class player. No issue on national car, as there are Accord, Camry, etc fully make in America and some of them export back to Japan. No CBU and CKD issue – this is just NAP self created classification just like AP design to suck more money from rakyat.

3. Talk about P2 is not national car, but if this hold true by virtue of majority % not own by Malaysian, then also is not an issue because P2 is part of greatest big brother Toyota – P2 future is very secure even if go global. On the other hand, P1 harping on "National Car" sentiment even got beaten up by P2 in term of sales as recent as now!

4. Today jargon for the best of the best in commercial world are multinational (MNC not GLC), world class player not "minnow national player like P1". This is new millenium, not 1980s! lol ,……….

MNC is always better than GLC lol ……… P1 learn this code.

Point to ponder. Perodua owns 49% of PACSB and Japanese Co. (combined) own 51%. However, Japanese Co. (combined) owns 28.42% of Perodua and therefore owns 13.93% of the 49% of PACSB. Conclusion, Japanese Co.(combined) owns 51% +13.93% (Japanese stakes from Perodua) of PACSB making a total of 64.93% Japanese controlling stake. Manufacturing arm controlled by non Malaysian should not be called a National Car status anymore.

May 23, 2006 @ 11:39 am

Wow, that a good news. I hope that P2 will always be a passion throught Malaysian.

p/s : P2, don’t sell the myvi for 15 years to come, ok? :p

—> P2 may doing that but not for Toyota and Daihatsu…they dont practise that. Thats why we dont see outdated charade and corolla in the production anymore.

May 23, 2006 @ 3:45 pm

G now “very blood thirsty” as many GLCs losing money including P1. So not only they suck local rakyat with fuel hike, NAP, etc, etc. Now they want to find

G so desperate ah! ……….. so next election, at least have to give “protest votes”. In democracy, BN future is in the hand of rakyat because it is chosen by us, not as some BN politician claim that our future is depend on them. What a rubbish talking, if tomorrow don’t choose them, they “balik kampong tanam jagong”, there are endless qualified candidate to be a leader(s) in democratic country like our beloved Bolehland. Wah, 1st time come out with “political statement”! he, he, …. just layment view……

—> The impact already shown in recent Sarawak election…and we are glad to see this really happen and fellow city-zen has spoke out of themselves by casting the vote 'apropriately'.

Out of topic: is the election going to be next year? Rumour says election will be next year as Anwar will be eligible again if the election is held on 08.

set target one by one…we KILL OF PROTON first.

this is wut i knowla…if we refer to the pie chart of the shareholder…perodua 49%…mitsui 7% and the rest is daihatsu…but…u hv to remember that mitsu and daihatsu is not anak syarikat toyota…only daihatsu…mitsubishi is other large carmakers in japan…as i said b4…mbe u all x prasan..anak syarikat toyota is lexus,daihatsu and subaru…if u look at the percentage…perodua still got a high percentage of the shareholder and still consider as a national car…:)…if..if mtsu is anak syarikat toyota…it consider that perodua is not belong to the us…but then automatically japanese and toyota's company…actually there are conflict at the joint venture of the mitsu and toyota bcoz they are the bigger company….in the pie chart…if only daihatsu hv large percentage…itss consider as a toyota's(perodua)…but then in the pie chart daihatsu is not the large percentage…if adding with the mitsui…baru tinggi dr perodua…like protongla….they bought lotus…protong pegang share paling bsar..and lotus is ours…but in this chart…ade 3 carmakers…perodua paling besar…so then perodua still ours….except in the future if toyota bought mitsu…and it will affect the perodua…time tu barula kate perodua bukan national car….hopefully all of u understand of wut im saying above…

i dunnola…tahts wut i thoughtla…my opinion..jz based on the pie chart and the structural chartla…

dun worryla…perodua is still ours…

May 24, 2006 @ 10:06 am

tracks,

if u saying like that..jz want to confirm of wut about at the top of the chart which malaysian group (umw,pnb,mbm,dmsb) 71.58% and japanese group (dmc,mitsui) 28.42% ???

can u explain about that???jz want to know and confirm about that…

Aiyoh, you want me to explain the corporate structure methodology in a business environment. I suggest that you ask a friend who has a business background so that he/she could give you a lengthy explanation and examples. Too long for me to explain clearly.

coz ive got a fren who bought proton at uk…then he come to m'sia and drive my cuzin's car..which same model like he own to…after that he told me that y my cuzin's car is not like him…i mean in term of quality wise…bla..bla…driving pleasure….he said it is worst than his car…it shows that protong anaktirikan rakyat….is it true..then to confirm it…ask my fren at singapore…he owned the wira…dia pernahla bwk wira spec. m'sia…then same comment i got…confirmla…rakyat dianaktirikan…

NeedGoodCar…

ok…for ur survey…actually…i dun want protong to die…i want them to improve and wake up frm thier dream…but kalau da trok sgt n x dapat diselamatkan….its better for them to diela…

all

TALKING cock…

on auto policy..

because..

they NEVER drive a

Potong…

(they drive Maybach…porshe,BMW….

no WONDER…

WONDERING where

their buying POWER from….)

rakyat..oh rakyat!!!!

make u choice wisely,

NEXT!

if u saying like that..jz want to confirm of wut about at the top of the chart which malaysian group (umw,pnb,mbm,dmsb) 71.58% and japanese group (dmc,mitsui) 28.42% ???

can u explain about that???jz want to know and confirm about that…

I oso wish NAP will fail & let them learn some lesson…. i really hate to see our gov & their capitalist frens keep manipulate us like morons… Recent Sarawak election gave them 1st signal….It gave one slap on the face…

akari said,

May 24, 2006 @ 2:49 am

"is really perodua are 51% own by other? y i found this in their web or they forgot to update their own web? lol"

The info you mentioned was correct however you should have look at the Perodua Group of Companies breakdown as well. Perodua Auto Corporation S/B (PACSB) is 51% owned by Japanese. PACSB controls the Perodua Manufacturing S/B (PMSB) and the Perodua Engine Manufacturing S/B (PEMSB) which is effectively the whole manufactring arm of Perodua. Perodua itself only controls the Perodua Sales S/B (PSSB) which is effectively the sales and distribution arm. Now, considering the above, how could it be called national car when it doesn't have a controlling stake in the manufacturing arm in the first place.

Secondly, the price for Perodua original part are expensive. This is so because it is a method to siphone back money to the parent company Toyota through its minions daihatsu, denso and etc. A simple fog/sport lamp switch for the Kenari cost around RM80 which is ridiculous. IMHO, no thanks to all this smart practice, the price for Perodua cars are above the affordable range.

Think about what I have said above and now do you still think that Perodua is a National Car.

I agree with everyone that NAP is a bullshit used to fooled Malaysian. One of the reason why P1 is in bad shape because there are suppliers who not only supplies below par parts but at a price that is way higher than the other suppliers of the same parts. All these happen because the P1 management & political party leader has vested interest in these compaines. Unless the new CEO could do something about it, things would hardly change.