Comments on: Proton signs pact with Chery and Jinhua http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:44:15 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Assorted Proton announcements http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-48891 Assorted Proton announcements Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:55:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-48891 [...] The joint feasibility study between Lotus Engineering Malaysia Sdn Bhd and Youngman Automobile Group Co Ltd (Jinhua Youngman) will end on 28th September 2006. The study is current in the financial, legal and marketing aspect phase. [...] [...] The joint feasibility study between Lotus Engineering Malaysia Sdn Bhd and Youngman Automobile Group Co Ltd (Jinhua Youngman) will end on 28th September 2006. The study is current in the financial, legal and marketing aspect phase. [...]

]]> By: Chery QQ for RM39,888 http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-43914 Chery QQ for RM39,888 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:01:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-43914 [...] As I previously reported, Chery also intends to assemble an MPV and an SUV here in Malaysia, the Chery B14 V5 Crossover and the Chery T11 Tiggo. While previous reports suggested they might be assembled at Oriental Assembler Sdn Bhd’s plant in Johor Baru, Alado group executive chairman Tan Sri Cam Soh Thiam Hong said at the QQ launch that Alado is currently in talks with a few other assemblers and Proton tops it’s list of preferred assemblers. This would be in line with Proton’s alliance talks with Chery, which would result in Proton assembling it’s vehicles at Chery’s plant in China and Chery assembling it’s vehicles in Proton’s plant here. [...] [...] As I previously reported, Chery also intends to assemble an MPV and an SUV here in Malaysia, the Chery B14 V5 Crossover and the Chery T11 Tiggo. While previous reports suggested they might be assembled at Oriental Assembler Sdn Bhd’s plant in Johor Baru, Alado group executive chairman Tan Sri Cam Soh Thiam Hong said at the QQ launch that Alado is currently in talks with a few other assemblers and Proton tops it’s list of preferred assemblers. This would be in line with Proton’s alliance talks with Chery, which would result in Proton assembling it’s vehicles at Chery’s plant in China and Chery assembling it’s vehicles in Proton’s plant here. [...]

]]> By: Proton back in black; partnership with PSA Peugoet Citroen » http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-40032 Proton back in black; partnership with PSA Peugoet Citroen » Wed, 31 May 2006 17:20:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-40032 [...] As for the talks with PSA Peugoet Citroen, Syed Zainal said they have been going well, and the partnership is expected to be broader than the one it has currently with Mitsubishi. Proton currently has partnerships with Volkswagen and Mitsubishi, and is in talks with Chery Automotive of China. It’s subsidiary Lotus Engineering is also in talks with JinHua Youngman, another Chinese automotive company. Proton also has an agreement with Petronas to jointly develop larger capacity engines of 1.8 liter to 2.2 liter. Proton’s own Campro currently serves the 1.3 liter and 1.6 liter range. Talks with an Indian partner are also underway. [...] [...] As for the talks with PSA Peugoet Citroen, Syed Zainal said they have been going well, and the partnership is expected to be broader than the one it has currently with Mitsubishi. Proton currently has partnerships with Volkswagen and Mitsubishi, and is in talks with Chery Automotive of China. It’s subsidiary Lotus Engineering is also in talks with JinHua Youngman, another Chinese automotive company. Proton also has an agreement with Petronas to jointly develop larger capacity engines of 1.8 liter to 2.2 liter. Proton’s own Campro currently serves the 1.3 liter and 1.6 liter range. Talks with an Indian partner are also underway. [...]

]]> By: jtshin http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39606 jtshin Thu, 25 May 2006 11:29:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39606 Speaking of Lotus... why there are no new models coming out? only seen 2 recent models for few yrs already n look alike... Elise n Exige... hmmm... China automakers? give them some time I think... they'll rush up P1... P1 only eat rakyat's money while chinese automakers even though they copy but one day they will succeed... like hyundai... age nearly same as P1 but their cars are selling like hot cakes in US markets nowadays... n European market as well... Hyundai even got Kia as its subsidiary with nice looking n quality cars around... No matter who P1 is joining... tengoklah sendiri... headache eat 'lao sai' medicine... how to cure... hmm... Speaking of Lotus… why there are no new models coming out? only seen 2 recent models for few yrs already n look alike… Elise n Exige… hmmm…

China automakers? give them some time I think… they’ll rush up P1… P1 only eat rakyat’s money while chinese automakers even though they copy but one day they will succeed… like hyundai… age nearly same as P1 but their cars are selling like hot cakes in US markets nowadays… n European market as well… Hyundai even got Kia as its subsidiary with nice looking n quality cars around… No matter who P1 is joining… tengoklah sendiri… headache eat ‘lao sai’ medicine… how to cure… hmm…

]]> By: sheridansulik http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39546 sheridansulik Thu, 25 May 2006 01:24:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39546 Chinese Car manufacturer is known as the COPYCATS....Chevy becomes Chery ...and we see Mercedes being copied straight forward!!... What will PROTON be in China?..PRATA??.. PROTON needs to play well in this CHINA Market..or else the New Lotus Exige will get copied by the Chinese.. Chinese Car manufacturer is known as the COPYCATS….Chevy becomes Chery …and we see Mercedes being copied straight forward!!… What will PROTON be in China?..PRATA??..

PROTON needs to play well in this CHINA Market..or else the New Lotus Exige will get copied by the Chinese..

]]> By: StingRayINC http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39520 StingRayINC Wed, 24 May 2006 17:01:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39520 Haih.....why ar why???? Jinhua is almost same as P1, assemble cars, with 10 - 20 years technology. Not long ago, if i m didn't recall wrongly, they just being sued by Honda and Audi i think....Sigh plz la P1 and the G, what is your national pride damn it ? being superior in being copycat? Last time there is VW quickly sell it to them and get the sum of money and let them control la, P1 u know "chun toi" meh? even a lay man in the street could tell what is the future after getting hooked up with VW and the consequences of failinf to do so. Haih…..why ar why???? Jinhua is almost same as P1, assemble cars, with 10 – 20 years technology. Not long ago, if i m didn’t recall wrongly, they just being sued by Honda and Audi i think….Sigh plz la P1 and the G, what is your national pride damn it ? being superior in being copycat? Last time there is VW quickly sell it to them and get the sum of money and let them control la, P1 u know “chun toi” meh? even a lay man in the street could tell what is the future after getting hooked up with VW and the consequences of failinf to do so.

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39511 NeedGoodCar Wed, 24 May 2006 15:29:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39511 VW kasi tak mahu...P1 bungkuslah VW kasi tak mahu…P1 bungkuslah

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39510 NeedGoodCar Wed, 24 May 2006 15:28:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39510 what can p1 get from jv with these dragonland companies? Didn't they read the news about a 7-yo boy brutally murdered bcos the beast who happened to be his brother-in-law befriend a fox from dragonland? mere coincidence...or omen? what can p1 get from jv with these dragonland companies? Didn’t they read the news about a 7-yo boy brutally murdered bcos the beast who happened to be his brother-in-law befriend a fox from dragonland? mere coincidence…or omen?

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39505 Joe Ooi Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39505 Alado (is personaly own by Datok but other biz involve making alloy wheel) having problems on import Chery car and some stuck at Port Klang. So, what is the "strategic partnership" P1 can achieve with Chewry and Alado except utilize its privilege and connection to "smoothen up" import of Chery cars into Malaysia? Alado (is personaly own by Datok but other biz involve making alloy wheel) having problems on import Chery car and some stuck at Port Klang. So, what is the “strategic partnership” P1 can achieve with Chewry and Alado except utilize its privilege and connection to “smoothen up” import of Chery cars into Malaysia?

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39500 raybrig85 Wed, 24 May 2006 12:20:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39500 i think they take a long roadla...it shouldnt b happen...:( i think they take a long roadla…it shouldnt b happen…:(

]]> By: jtshin http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39477 jtshin Wed, 24 May 2006 08:09:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39477 Like Bigjoe said, chinese manufacturers are crude, impatient people... why? Bacause they have big markets out there... time=money. if they slow like proton... they close door go back to village plant their vegetables liao... haha... It's really a shame that the Malaysian government keep on not wanting to sell its share to VW... keep on 'want face' but do they think Proton can compete with such lousy directors and lousy qualities? If VW take over Proton, I can say whole board of director ppl will be changed and all the models will be renewed with better ones with those hot selling models like SUV etc... and of course using better materials in the car comparing with the rubbish plastic which can break easily like those in Wira nowadays n Waja... Like Bigjoe said, chinese manufacturers are crude, impatient people… why? Bacause they have big markets out there… time=money. if they slow like proton… they close door go back to village plant their vegetables liao… haha… It’s really a shame that the Malaysian government keep on not wanting to sell its share to VW… keep on ‘want face’ but do they think Proton can compete with such lousy directors and lousy qualities? If VW take over Proton, I can say whole board of director ppl will be changed and all the models will be renewed with better ones with those hot selling models like SUV etc… and of course using better materials in the car comparing with the rubbish plastic which can break easily like those in Wira nowadays n Waja…

]]> By: Bigjoe http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39456 Bigjoe Wed, 24 May 2006 06:16:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39456 Its simple to see why Chinese car makers want to sign distribution agreement in Malaysia with Proton but why would Chinese car makers want distribute Proton in China? They already have better car in the same models in China. Unless the Chinese car makers can get away without actually succeeding to distribute Proton in China, I don't see this making any sense. My sense is that its Datuk behind Alado manouevering to sell more Chery in Malaysia. China fast growing market may look like an opportunity for Proton but its all about execution and in the end, the Chinese will find Malaysian car makers unable to execute as fast as they can and give up. I really can't see the Chinese being long term partners with Malaysian car companies - much too slow to execute for them and Chinese manufacturers are crude, impatient people. Its simple to see why Chinese car makers want to sign distribution agreement in Malaysia with Proton but why would Chinese car makers want distribute Proton in China? They already have better car in the same models in China. Unless the Chinese car makers can get away without actually succeeding to distribute Proton in China, I don’t see this making any sense. My sense is that its Datuk behind Alado manouevering to sell more Chery in Malaysia.

China fast growing market may look like an opportunity for Proton but its all about execution and in the end, the Chinese will find Malaysian car makers unable to execute as fast as they can and give up. I really can’t see the Chinese being long term partners with Malaysian car companies – much too slow to execute for them and Chinese manufacturers are crude, impatient people.

]]> By: rexis http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39454 rexis Wed, 24 May 2006 06:10:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39454 -_-" again? -_-” again?

]]> By: jtshin http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39452 jtshin Wed, 24 May 2006 05:46:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39452 Well, hope P1 really can do the study well.. n hope they can wake up in 'mummy's arm' n start to walk by itself... like what i read in the newspaper today, Najib said tat the G-man is not going to pull of its protective umbrella so fast to let P1 walk by itself... hmm.. stupid... if continue like tat, even collaborating with chinese automakers won't improve anything... compare to Hyundai which is nearly the same age as P1, it had exported damn lots of cars overseas n set up numerous plants out there... with qualities that can be trusted by westerners... while P1... shame... 21 years for sales keep on dropping in its own kampung n not selling well outside... with no feasibility studies at all... n no safety test... i wonder the Savvy TUV cert is true or not... hmmm... maybe only the unit send to TUV for testing is good in quality... China is a big market, so Proton's aiming is not bad, but how long can it survive in the land that is full of quality cars from other country and damn cheap chinese cars? lets see wat it can do at the big land.... Well, hope P1 really can do the study well.. n hope they can wake up in ‘mummy’s arm’ n start to walk by itself… like what i read in the newspaper today, Najib said tat the G-man is not going to pull of its protective umbrella so fast to let P1 walk by itself… hmm.. stupid… if continue like tat, even collaborating with chinese automakers won’t improve anything… compare to Hyundai which is nearly the same age as P1, it had exported damn lots of cars overseas n set up numerous plants out there… with qualities that can be trusted by westerners… while P1… shame… 21 years for sales keep on dropping in its own kampung n not selling well outside… with no feasibility studies at all… n no safety test… i wonder the Savvy TUV cert is true or not… hmmm… maybe only the unit send to TUV for testing is good in quality… China is a big market, so Proton’s aiming is not bad, but how long can it survive in the land that is full of quality cars from other country and damn cheap chinese cars? lets see wat it can do at the big land….

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39451 mystvearn Wed, 24 May 2006 05:36:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39451 why Dragonland. How about study with Deutschland why Dragonland. How about study with Deutschland

]]> By: rafreez http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39448 rafreez Wed, 24 May 2006 04:51:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39448 Proton always try to look for something that is profiting but honestly, they look at the wrong place. Chinese have a big market...but only in China...they produce alot of things and export it but all the export stuff has a european or us badge not their own. If proton wanted to do this unless they have a brand well known for its quality or whatsoever tat is great then I think this is a good move but since proton has a very bad reputation, this partnership is a grave digging move....just my 2cents... Proton always try to look for something that is profiting but honestly, they look at the wrong place. Chinese have a big market…but only in China…they produce alot of things and export it but all the export stuff has a european or us badge not their own. If proton wanted to do this unless they have a brand well known for its quality or whatsoever tat is great then I think this is a good move but since proton has a very bad reputation, this partnership is a grave digging move….just my 2cents…

]]> By: Dogster http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39446 Dogster Wed, 24 May 2006 04:48:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39446 Chery and JinHua?? I heard that the cars from China is worser than P1.... P1 gone one step back in quality assurance.. Chery and JinHua?? I heard that the cars from China is worser than P1…. P1 gone one step back in quality assurance..

]]> By: acbc http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39444 acbc Wed, 24 May 2006 04:34:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39444 Chinese car QC is already bad... when add Proton into the picture... even worse! :( But, given time... they (Chinese manufacturers) can improve because they have to compete in the market flooded with American, European, Japanese and Korean cars. Proton? Nah... being protected by the G-man, they don't strive to do better... at all! Chinese car QC is already bad… when add Proton into the picture… even worse! :(

But, given time… they (Chinese manufacturers) can improve because they have to compete in the market flooded with American, European, Japanese and Korean cars.

Proton? Nah… being protected by the G-man, they don’t strive to do better… at all!

]]> By: drM http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39443 drM Wed, 24 May 2006 04:28:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39443 motorhead, absolutely spot on. saving proton is one thing. buying a car that fits customer bill is another. I dont mind forking out 100-150K for any proton model if only it is at par with the quality of Honda or Toyota or whatever. people can find the money. dont worry. we can buy anything we like. and if Proton can produce a good that we like, there's should be no problem. not even money. This cherry-aldado-dadu thing is ridicioulus. The Chinese product cheaper, but certainly not even moderate level in quality. Think. think. think. what the sort of vehicle that people want to buy. Haiiyaa...they all got Datukship, Tan Sris, Tuan, Puan, oso cannot figure out aaa? that appoint me lah as CEO.wahahahahahaha motorhead, absolutely spot on.

saving proton is one thing. buying a car that fits customer bill is another. I dont mind forking out 100-150K for any proton model if only it is at par with the quality of Honda or Toyota or whatever. people can find the money. dont worry. we can buy anything we like. and if Proton can produce a good that we like, there’s should be no problem. not even money. This cherry-aldado-dadu thing is ridicioulus. The Chinese product cheaper, but certainly not even moderate level in quality.

Think. think. think. what the sort of vehicle that people want to buy. Haiiyaa…they all got Datukship, Tan Sris, Tuan, Puan, oso cannot figure out aaa? that appoint me lah as CEO.wahahahahahaha

]]> By: tanasi http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39442 tanasi Wed, 24 May 2006 04:15:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39442 Previously they've lost millions with the wrong Chinese partner. Hopefully this time they learn the lessons. I think it is a step in the right direction. Hope to hear similar deal with an Indian partner, the last time I heard it was Mahindra. Previously they’ve lost millions with the wrong Chinese partner. Hopefully this time they learn the lessons. I think it is a step in the right direction. Hope to hear similar deal with an Indian partner, the last time I heard it was Mahindra.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39440 motorhead Wed, 24 May 2006 04:14:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39440 "Proton signed a pact yesterday with Chery and it’s Malaysian distributor Alado Corp Sdn Bhd to do a feasibility study that will last until 28th August 2006 on the assembly and distribution of Chery vehicles here, as well as the assembly and distribution of Proton vehicles in China." Study 1st only la... well, better study betul2.. I am not sure msian can accept chinese cars... but until now i never see not even one cheery yet.. i donno how Datuk Alado can make money from the chinese cars bisnes...Boleh tahan ka Datuk?? but sure goin to fail la.. just like chinese bikes... buy 1 free 2 oso can not sell.. maybe oneday P1 will oso use this kind of offer... but buy 1 free 1 la... Msian got high taste.. JAZZ or Swift for 90k, oso can buy... “Proton signed a pact yesterday with Chery and it’s Malaysian distributor Alado Corp Sdn Bhd to do a feasibility study that will last until 28th August 2006 on the assembly and distribution of Chery vehicles here, as well as the assembly and distribution of Proton vehicles in China.”

Study 1st only la… well, better study betul2.. I am not sure msian can accept chinese cars… but until now i never see not even one cheery yet.. i donno how Datuk Alado can make money from the chinese cars bisnes…Boleh tahan ka Datuk?? but sure goin to fail la.. just like chinese bikes… buy 1 free 2 oso can not sell.. maybe oneday P1 will oso use this kind of offer… but buy 1 free 1 la…

Msian got high taste.. JAZZ or Swift for 90k, oso can buy…

]]> By: assimo http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39439 assimo Wed, 24 May 2006 04:13:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39439 So pity potong...too hard to find partner..or too demand?..Mmm..what happened to cheap ' Lotus' car project??...any news of that or just talking only?? :-( So pity potong…too hard to find partner..or too demand?..Mmm..what happened to cheap ‘ Lotus’ car project??…any news of that or just talking only?? :-(

]]> By: Tracks http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39435 Tracks Wed, 24 May 2006 03:32:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39435 Action speak louder than words. So far all talk and not much action. Hopefully Proton had learned its lesson from the failed project in Indonesia assembling outdated Wira's and not repeat the same foolish mistake. They lost damn a lot of money in that venture. Action speak louder than words. So far all talk and not much action. Hopefully Proton had learned its lesson from the failed project in Indonesia assembling outdated Wira’s and not repeat the same foolish mistake. They lost damn a lot of money in that venture.

]]> By: whodz http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39434 whodz Wed, 24 May 2006 03:29:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39434 Fast act by p1, I heard they want to collaborate with Indonesian car makers also..nola..tipu only..I think P1 wants to collaborate with all car makes/assembellers a.k.a automotive companies to export their cars. P1 can't afford by their ownself, good thing that P1 aware that earlier... Fast act by p1, I heard they want to collaborate with Indonesian car makers also..nola..tipu only..I think P1 wants to collaborate with all car makes/assembellers a.k.a automotive companies to export their cars. P1 can’t afford by their ownself, good thing that P1 aware that earlier…

]]> By: Initial D http://paultan.org/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39431 Initial D Wed, 24 May 2006 03:28:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/05/24/proton-signs-pact-with-chery-and-jinhua/#comment-39431 enough of the talking liao........i wanna see sum real result......all this while.....alwayz announce "looking at possible JV" , "developing some models", "in discussion with other parties".........etc.........( no end ).......... duno liao.......blur liao......haizzzzz............ Cheers!!!!! enough of the talking liao……..i wanna see sum real result……all this while…..alwayz announce “looking at possible JV” , “developing some models”, “in discussion with other parties”………etc………( no end )……….

duno liao…….blur liao……haizzzzz…………

Cheers!!!!!

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