Comments on: VW phases out automatics; makes way for DSG http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:43:03 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Volvo and Ford to develop own DSG http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-54792 Volvo and Ford to develop own DSG Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:14:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-54792 [...] If all goes through, we’ll see versions of the Ford Focus ST and high performance Volvo C30 hatches with 2.5 liter inline-5 turbocharged engines and dual clutch gearboxes. Click here for a video on DSG gearboxes, where a Volkswagen Golf GTI 6-speed manual goes against it’s DSG brother. DSG has worked so well for Volkswagen that they are going to phase out conventional torque converter automatics for a pure DSG automatic line-up across the range. [...] [...] If all goes through, we’ll see versions of the Ford Focus ST and high performance Volvo C30 hatches with 2.5 liter inline-5 turbocharged engines and dual clutch gearboxes. Click here for a video on DSG gearboxes, where a Volkswagen Golf GTI 6-speed manual goes against it’s DSG brother. DSG has worked so well for Volkswagen that they are going to phase out conventional torque converter automatics for a pure DSG automatic line-up across the range. [...]

]]> By: Porsche patents dual-clutch gearbox design http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-44995 Porsche patents dual-clutch gearbox design Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:23:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-44995 [...] Related Posts: Volkswagen phases out automatics; makes way for DSG Volkswagen DSG - Direct Shift Gearbox [...] [...] Related Posts: Volkswagen phases out automatics; makes way for DSG Volkswagen DSG – Direct Shift Gearbox [...]

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42637 honda_driver Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:30:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42637 oh, btw... borg-warner is hardly a company thats short of resources.. especially in the testing dept(i have no idea where you got that info from someone). They are fully capable of designing, building and testing any powertrain related product. They hire more than 17,000 people worldwide!! VW "only" contributes 12% of their expected revenue for 2006. Ford contibutes the most at 14%. So whatever VW pays them in terms of their total revenue, is actually quite small. So I don't think they are depending on VW to pay their testing bills. http://www.bwauto.com oh, btw…

borg-warner is hardly a company thats short of resources.. especially in the testing dept(i have no idea where you got that info from someone). They are fully capable of designing, building and testing any powertrain related product. They hire more than 17,000 people worldwide!!

VW “only” contributes 12% of their expected revenue for 2006. Ford contibutes the most at 14%. So whatever VW pays them in terms of their total revenue, is actually quite small. So I don’t think they are depending on VW to pay their testing bills.

http://www.bwauto.com

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42631 honda_driver Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:20:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42631 the question here is, does it make VW any less of a car manufacturer? since they didnt invent, or design the gearbox.. its a german car, running an american gearbox for petes sake ;) in the last month, there are at least 5-6 people who were very vocal against a car manufacturer who doesnt make its own gearboxes.. weird. the question here is, does it make VW any less of a car manufacturer? since they didnt invent, or design the gearbox.. its a german car, running an american gearbox for petes sake ;)

in the last month, there are at least 5-6 people who were very vocal against a car manufacturer who doesnt make its own gearboxes.. weird.

]]> By: mycar_stolen http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42598 mycar_stolen Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:01:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42598 what matter most is which car is using the DSG.bcoz we are not only buying the gearbox only right.if the american guy who designed and licensed teh patent then VW responsible to make use of the gearbox in a car. Now who really have the hands on experience on driving a car with DSG.and please write about the comparison with other options?cheers everybody happy blogging. what matter most is which car is using the DSG.bcoz we are not only buying the gearbox only right.if the american guy who designed and licensed teh patent then VW responsible to make use of the gearbox in a car.
Now who really have the hands on experience on driving a car with DSG.and please write about the comparison with other options?cheers everybody happy blogging.

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42596 raybrig85 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:24:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42596 it is a borg warmer product and invented by them but maybe as wut someone already said...he dun hv the testing capabilities and licensed it to vw... it is a borg warmer product and invented by them but maybe as wut someone already said…he dun hv the testing capabilities and licensed it to vw…

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42578 honda_driver Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:12:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42578 fully understood someone. but there are many who post in this forum, who are of the opinion that, a certain car manufacturer(we all know which one), is not really a car manufacturer or have the ability to build cars, because they have outside contractors, paid by them, to do work for them on their products. but actually, from what i've read about the DSG, its actually a borg warner product, invented by them and not VW. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox fully understood someone. but there are many who post in this forum, who are of the opinion that, a certain car manufacturer(we all know which one), is not really a car manufacturer or have the ability to build cars, because they have outside contractors, paid by them, to do work for them on their products.

but actually, from what i’ve read about the DSG, its actually a borg warner product, invented by them and not VW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

]]> By: SoMeOnE http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42568 SoMeOnE Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:02:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42568 this dsg is basically a vw product..its was funded and had engineers that worked on it...borgwarner came up wit the concept and design but dint have the testing capability ...vw came in and took a risk and they were rewarded...actually there are similar gearboxes by other car makers in diffrent stages...vw just took a big risk to bring into production stage and got its reward..its basically like the mcpherson story where mr mcpherson had the concept and design but didnt have da resources....gm rejected him co they didnt want to take risk but ford took him in..well the rest's just history i guess this dsg is basically a vw product..its was funded and had engineers that worked on it…borgwarner came up wit the concept and design but dint have the testing capability …vw came in and took a risk and they were rewarded…actually there are similar gearboxes by other car makers in diffrent stages…vw just took a big risk to bring into production stage and got its reward..its basically like the mcpherson story where mr mcpherson had the concept and design but didnt have da resources….gm rejected him co they didnt want to take risk but ford took him in..well the rest’s just history i guess

]]> By: xg9 http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42552 xg9 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:36:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42552 cool... can i use this DSG thingy with my iswara? cool… can i use this DSG thingy with my iswara?

]]> By: intermilan http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42544 intermilan Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:14:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42544 sky-high hope.. keep dreaming boyz.. ha ha ha.. no need to drag potong in this one lah.. sekali -sekala lets have a topic w/o em' inside... sky-high hope.. keep dreaming boyz.. ha ha ha..
no need to drag potong in this one lah..
sekali -sekala lets have a topic w/o em’ inside…

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42532 raybrig85 Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:42:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42532 hhmmm...if they join the vw...they will get a lot of things...give benefits for them...like the seat,skoda....we can c a lot of improvement of the seat and skoda cars in term of the car dsg and their tech... hhmmm…if they join the vw…they will get a lot of things…give benefits for them…like the seat,skoda….we can c a lot of improvement of the seat and skoda cars in term of the car dsg and their tech…

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42526 szw Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:33:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42526 wat happen if proton join vw ? wat happen if proton join vw ?

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42497 honda_driver Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:23:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42497 As usual, I'm thinking out loud... Interestingly, the DSG gearbox wasn't even invented or developed by VW but by Borg-Warner. its funny how the usual bashers are quick to point out that a certain carmaker is not a car manufacturer because they use gearboxes developed by someone else. Does this mean VW isn't a car manufacturer because the DSG gearbox, set to replace all gearboxes in their entire range, is not their own? *BorgWarner is a U.S. automotive parts supplier, known for its automatic transmissions and transmission components, (e.g., electro-hydraulic control components, friction materials, and one-way clutches), turbo chargers, engine valve timing system components, and 4-wheel drive system components. The company has manufacturing facilities in the U.S., Europe, and Asia, and provides highly engineered drivetrain component solutions to all three U.S. automakers as well as a variety of European and Asian customers. The company is based in Auburn Hills, Michigan. Robert S. Ingersoll formerly served as the company's CEO and Chairman. As usual, I’m thinking out loud…

Interestingly, the DSG gearbox wasn’t even invented or developed by VW but by Borg-Warner. its funny how the usual bashers are quick to point out that a certain carmaker is not a car manufacturer because they use gearboxes developed by someone else.

Does this mean VW isn’t a car manufacturer because the DSG gearbox, set to replace all gearboxes in their entire range, is not their own?

*BorgWarner is a U.S. automotive parts supplier, known for its automatic transmissions and transmission components, (e.g., electro-hydraulic control components, friction materials, and one-way clutches), turbo chargers, engine valve timing system components, and 4-wheel drive system components. The company has manufacturing facilities in the U.S., Europe, and Asia, and provides highly engineered drivetrain component solutions to all three U.S. automakers as well as a variety of European and Asian customers.

The company is based in Auburn Hills, Michigan. Robert S. Ingersoll formerly served as the company’s CEO and Chairman.

]]> By: mycar_stolen http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42494 mycar_stolen Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:57:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42494 in this kind of situation you will be a proud owner of VW.this is what we called the extarordinary feeling of driving a car.just cant afford to buy a VW here, unless my company pay for me or I managed to buy the golf gti's stucks at the port there. you know AP thing under declare everything...just cant pay the price with my money other people money yes....for sure who cares? in this kind of situation you will be a proud owner of VW.this is what we called the extarordinary feeling of driving a car.just cant afford to buy a VW here, unless my company pay for me or I managed to buy the golf gti’s stucks at the port there. you know AP thing under declare everything…just cant pay the price with my money other people money yes….for sure who cares?

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42465 honda_driver Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:32:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42465 wow.. thats a very bold move by VW. but i can't imagine the cost to change clutches when they're worn out. :) I only have to change 1 clutch in my car today. wow.. thats a very bold move by VW. but i can’t imagine the cost to change clutches when they’re worn out. :) I only have to change 1 clutch in my car today.

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42464 MyBoy Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:26:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42464 From what i heard, BMW been testing its own version of gearbox which is quite similar to VW DSG for quite simetime now. From what i heard, BMW been testing its own version of gearbox which is quite similar to VW DSG for quite simetime now.

]]> By: engtaokia http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42441 engtaokia Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:06:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42441 hopefully i can get my touareg very soon ;-) hopefully i can get my touareg very soon ;-)

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42423 raybrig85 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:03:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42423 yup...i think other carmaker had similar tech like the vw group too... yup…i think other carmaker had similar tech like the vw group too…

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42417 szw Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:02:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42417 lambo rox ! lambo rox !

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42416 tbcheese Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:53:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42416 Wow its cool that they're putting it in the Lambo too. Apparently from the reviews, their current e-gear sucks. I think that other manufacturers have something similar in the works too although they're not licensing from VW. Wow its cool that they’re putting it in the Lambo too. Apparently from the reviews, their current e-gear sucks. I think that other manufacturers have something similar in the works too although they’re not licensing from VW.

]]> By: Tracks http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42408 Tracks Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:07:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42408 A great move by VW but I wonder is the gearbox cheaper to maintain in the long run. A great move by VW but I wonder is the gearbox cheaper to maintain in the long run.

]]> By: Paul Tan http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42406 Paul Tan Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:54:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42406 acbc: Volkswagen has said that they will not be licensing DSG to any other car manufacturer. acbc: Volkswagen has said that they will not be licensing DSG to any other car manufacturer.

]]> By: e-nabilll http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42405 e-nabilll Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:48:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42405 wow! the future is here ! i tink the trick is thers not much power loss like the traditional auto gerabox..bt this is a seriously nice move...wen wil i be an owner of a VW! Toureg here i come! wow! the future is here ! i tink the trick is thers not much power loss like the traditional auto gerabox..bt this is a seriously nice move…wen wil i be an owner of a VW! Toureg here i come!

]]> By: acbc http://paultan.org/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42404 acbc Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:46:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/26/vw-phases-out-automatics-makes-way-for-dsg/#comment-42404 Cool man! Soon, DSG will cheaper for everyone. I wonder when the Japanese will adopt it? VW Golf GTI is still too expensive! :( Cool man! Soon, DSG will cheaper for everyone. I wonder when the Japanese will adopt it? VW Golf GTI is still too expensive! :(

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