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By: UnFamOusâ&bdqu

UnFamOusâ&bdqu — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:11:35 +0000

lolz

By: mycar_stolen

mycar_stolen — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:00:23 +0000

see why Mitsu allow to copycat the 380, because it is already "masuk longkang" in other market, Msia Bolehland everything also Boleh, dumping ground for unsuccesful products and force the "rakyats" to buy some more with very high price and not to mention all gadgets take out already.

By: topgunthang

topgunthang — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:29:02 +0000

not being pessimistic….just realistically thinking how the situation is and will turn out.

i doubt it will be on par with hondas and toyota by competing with the same car category. the only significant advantage is in price for the proton. handling can only take you so far. lotus expertise is immense in thier field, but lets not forget that most successful car companies already know more or less how to make a car handle well just as well as lotus, only diference is in the decision of what u want to sacrifice or obtain to get market acceptance. the lotus branding has become no more than just a label when being used by proton.

but lets wait till the car comes out and make a comparison on it.

july the 16th the aussies are eagerly awaiting the biggest marketing campaign by holden regarding the new commodore. that together with toyota's impending release of the new v6 car as well as the camry will leave no space for the 380.

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:54:04 +0000

hhmmm…kinda weird…y the platform for the mpv is different???still dun understand…i think it is ok coz i think not affect anything…dunnola…jz wondering abt it coz if we look at wut beemer do to their x5…which derived frm 5 er platform…..frm normal car to suv???ok je…can masok….but y mpv should hv a diff platform???

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:57:59 +0000

i agree with u waimak…thats wat all of us meant…

By: Celicazz

Celicazz — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:27:06 +0000

if Proton do that, we'll be having an MPV that can do nothing at all…MPV need a different platform, which is differs from family cars… but, introduction of VVA by Lotus might make it into reality… further research needed, it is not easy to be done than saying it… anyone can say about it, but is everyone willing to walk the talk? if u want this thing to happen, support Proton lah… but 10 of their Neo, 15 of their Waja and many2 Savvy and Iswara…then, they hav enuff money to develope one…

By: lembagatanah

lembagatanah — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:56 +0000

a don't think they are fool enough to abandon such a great things happen to proton. looking at gen-2 and waja, got me thinking proton is on the right track, but quality issue is another vital part for being a carmaker. still hoping the new md can do this for us.

i still believe waja/gen-2 platform is good but wondering why proton do not take the fortune to develop another model on that chasis – mpv,suv,pickup etc

By: waimak

waimak — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:25:25 +0000

Celicazz,

All these years people are saying that Proton models have some resemblance with Alfa, Mitsu, to some extent BMW and what not. Maybe I'm wrong but by virtue of partnership/ business arrangment, no doubt these characteristics are unavoidable. However I hope that in the long term Proton would be able to appear in the market with its own identity in terms of design, driving charateristic, quality, special features and etc. despite the different usage of platforms/ engine.

The tuning and handling by Lotus has been already regarded as key characteristic of Proton brand. I hope more of these 'traits' can be developed.

Just my 2 cents..

By: ahoklah

ahoklah — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:12:38 +0000

tried my sister's Mitsubishi Galant while I was down in Melbourne. Really felt nice driving it. Maybe because of the V6 engine.

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:04:18 +0000

if u c some comment of the waja,gen2 by journalist…they will praise of the handling of those cars….the handling is good…but…when come out with the reliability,quality and other things…proton still lack of those things….

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:00:15 +0000

agree wit u honda_drver…if u really want to enjoy and test the handling of the car…got to jalan bengkang bengkok…u can feel the handling which is good or not…

celicazz…

yup…we can c they starting to make thier own identity with a gen2,savvy and neo…its good for them…btw..let c if they continue with these perdana…

if u cant c the others carmakers identity…nvmd…

By: lembagatanah

lembagatanah — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:53:18 +0000

agree wit honda driver. the characteristic of the car produced by different company is another aspect. pug has been tested for more rigid, lot of corners, hill climbing etc, but the german has a very good hiway, so pug emphasis on body strength to tackle on cornering area more than powerful engine.

i still feel lotus may bring in something to proton. in term of handling, i drove a waja before, and to be honest, put aside all the quality issue, it's good car. i never drove bmw and merc before, so don't know what it is like

By: honda_driver

honda_driver — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:25:02 +0000

good handling is not about driving straight all day on a highway. in fact, good handling is even more important when you have roads as small and as poor quality as ours. In a nutshell, its the whole package. how well the car corners, stability in a straightline, responsiveness, braking, balance…etc.etc.

handling is known as active safety. its the ability to get out of an accident before it occurs. In a way, you can call it the 1st stage. Passive safety like seatbelts and airbags are the last resort, things you rather not have to rely on unless you really have to.

By: Dogster

Dogster — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:34:39 +0000

I am just wondering with all those lotus handling, I doubt we can use it to the max potential as our roads are small and low quality. I dont know exactally how lotus handling feels but logically speaking, we need to drive fast enough to feel the handling right? So say we put the handling into this car, how could we benefit?

By: i'm run

i'm run — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:32:58 +0000

I hope it wouldn't be a rebadge model of Mitsubishi 380. Just what Naza and Perodua are doing…

By: DrA

DrA — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:54:11 +0000

I agree with topgunt, but we have to remember that P1 has lotus which can help with the ride and handling. And as we can see from the neo, quality would hopefully be good. Don't be too pessimistic, I'm sure P1 would pull it together and would produce a better car than mit380. And I'm sure it will be on par with the Hondas and Toyotas.

By: Isamu

Isamu — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:36:47 +0000

cyborgx,

Careful there. You don't wanna get yourself into a libel case.

By: topgunthang

topgunthang — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:05:41 +0000

it is no surprise the 380 sells bad in australia. in the same way it sells bad in the US or europe. that very same reason is why proton can purchase the model outright. there is no need to develope this 'new' model. it is basically a failed product that MMC cant sell and is being sold at a cheap price of which proton can afford. (desperate companies attract each other) the reason why it fails is that it is competing against the competitor which is holden commodore and ford which is larger, more powerful, cheaper to buy, drives better and is rear wheel drive. both cars like all cars made in australia also means do not retain value well disregarding what the magazines or newspapers tend to report. 2-4 years sees the car losing half its market price. that and also the recent surge of affordable and comfortable european and jap options sees the 380 dead even before it came out. the awards and ancap and aussie websites dont tell the whole story as the MMC australia factory depends on the model to stay alive. even so, the 380 is still failing horibly after all the hoo-hah. however the picture totally changes when it is badged as a perdana coz of the lack of a 'commodore' in msia. its a new model, but nothing special. just expect replacements using cheaper lower grade material and components.

By: DrA

DrA — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:57:50 +0000

I think PRM based on the mit380 is a good idea. It will save a lot in terms of development costs. However, I agree that it needs to have a family look. The neo is a good start. With a sharper/mature look of the neo the PRM could be a winner. The mit380 looks a little bit short. PRM needs to have a longer wheelbase than the mit380. If it does, the PRM would really stands out. Plus it would look more exclusive. Overall, I think PRM needs to be the flagship model of the P1 line up, not the awkward looking Chancellor.

By: intermilan

intermilan — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:55:22 +0000

wah 380 is that bad ahh..

btw, mpv with PSA-Peugeot Citroen.. possible model, anyone?

Citroen Berlingo?

Peugeot 806? (too old)

By: cyborgx

cyborgx — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:04:04 +0000

bei

are you suprised that Proton and Mitsu trying to push rejected cars to us? no,I m not, because I know all local Proton Wira,Waja are rejected batches from exporting to UK. :/

By: bei

bei — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:50:46 +0000

Mitsubishi 380 doesn't sound good here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_380 Proton has just become Mitsubishi dumping ground?

By: denarii

denarii — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:33:13 +0000

hope they do a good job!!!

By: acbc

acbc — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:42:05 +0000

Now… if only our roadtax is based on vehicle's weight… 3.8L is yummy… imagine chasing a souped up EVO9 on NKVE with it. Raw NA power!

By: Celicazz

Celicazz — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:48:36 +0000

some say proton cars doesnt hav the identity…

but i wonder why most ppl say that Neo is looking similar to Savvy and Gen2?

I dont understand these ppl…I also dont see much about Honda having their identity…look the same with Toyota's… I dunno…for Conties, i do see some…

By: mystvearn

mystvearn — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:04:57 +0000

I'm not that optimistic about the PRM. Though looks good, but its quite a big car, not sure what the FC will be.

I've had nightmares with Perdana. I've drove the V6, its sluggish, and frustrating. In fact my orignal Perdana (M) was faster. The interior is the same despite 10 years now. So is the exterior. All perana has flaws, and noticbly the plastic bumper-body joint under the front lights will bend/flex after 18 monthts ownership.You can see it in all Perdana's. the new facelift version has a metal/steel plate covering that defect in order not to detect it.

I don't find it hard to believe that the perdana will be launched by 2012. The saga/iswara is still with us. Waja is still there.

Even though P1 sells high in UK, you still have to agree that P1 is not really a convinence for the rakyat, more like a burden. Now Thai's has placed some 20% tarrif export from Malaysia, and Malaysia want to "pujuk" Thai's to do away with it.

Why pride on a own car manufacturer when its not really worth the pride. I've been overseas lots of times, and P1 cars which I see is really used as the bashed up cars, not maintainable, or even bragging it. It really is like those very old Toyota cars, vans that malaysians drive of the 60-70's where its not taken care at all.

Hope P1 will be even better in future.

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:40:16 +0000

ya…i agree wit u waimak…proton's identity now berterabur…dun hv a permanent or something dat when we c the car…we can recognize its style…identity….

IMO…for me…like the jap car..e.g…honda,toyota,mazda,nissan,mitsu and else and the contis like merc,beemer,audi,alfa romeo,vw…when i c those cars i can c their identity,dsg language,dsg philosophy and else(conclusion…wut i mean is the character of that car)…

but proton dun hv it…jz can c it on gen2 and the neo…even the savvy one not showing the character of the proton cars….hhmmm…jz my opinion…

By: raybrig85

raybrig85 — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:34:17 +0000

paulâ€¦sori out of topicâ€¦can u do a review on honda elysionâ€¦same class with toyota alphard and nissan elgrandâ€¦.that honda really prettyâ€¦saw one in bangsarâ€¦hhmmâ€¦how much it will cost here???