Comments on: Lotus Cars for the next 5 years http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:52:24 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: NYB http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-47326 NYB Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:15:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-47326 Malaysian workers' wages are low, so is the productivities. Do you think that if we pay Japanese wages and will get Japaneses quality ? I hardly think so. More money means more time to sit in mamak shop and talk rubbish. Any comments on the quality of Lotuses built in Malaysia compared to those built in UK ? Malaysian workers’ wages are low, so is the productivities. Do you think that if we pay Japanese wages and will get Japaneses quality ? I hardly think so. More money means more time to sit in mamak shop and talk rubbish.

Any comments on the quality of Lotuses built in Malaysia compared to those built in UK ?

]]> By: carbontech http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43409 carbontech Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:18:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43409 did u guys ever know the Europa S panels are made in Malaysia.................. did u guys ever know the Europa S panels are made in Malaysia………………

]]> By: Imprezo http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43362 Imprezo Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:01:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43362 I'm just real glad I traded in my Waja for a brand new 1.8 Civic... I’m just real glad I traded in my Waja for a brand new 1.8 Civic…

]]> By: superman http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43138 superman Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:22:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-43138 jtshin said, June 29, 2006 @ 2:52 pm Lotus had turned into something like Brabus? tuning other cars to better performance? Lets hope Lotus can do well in their productions as well… ___________________________________________________________________________ Lotus has been tuning cars for other manufacturers fo a long time . The Lotus Cortina iin the article came out in the 60's. The Carlton in question came out 80's jtshin said,
June 29, 2006 @ 2:52 pm

Lotus had turned into something like Brabus? tuning other cars to better performance? Lets hope Lotus can do well in their productions as well…
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Lotus has been tuning cars for other manufacturers fo a long time . The Lotus Cortina iin the article came out in the 60’s. The Carlton in question came out 80’s

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42883 raybrig85 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:07:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42883 hhhmm..theyre jz harapkan their elise only...the esprit is too old to compete with others...they should release the new esprit a.s.a.p to compete with other local brand like aston martin,tvr and bentley... hhhmm..theyre jz harapkan their elise only…the esprit is too old to compete with others…they should release the new esprit a.s.a.p to compete with other local brand like aston martin,tvr and bentley…

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42872 honda_driver Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:58:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42872 thanks for all the info from the guys who replied me.. btw, on the contrary guys.. lotus is the one that has no money, and proton is funding their survival.. dont forget that the reason they got bought up in the first place is, coz they were going bankrupt. they have the brains, and the technology, but they are even worst off than proton in terms of business sense.. thanks for all the info from the guys who replied me.. btw, on the contrary guys.. lotus is the one that has no money, and proton is funding their survival.. dont forget that the reason they got bought up in the first place is, coz they were going bankrupt. they have the brains, and the technology, but they are even worst off than proton in terms of business sense..

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42864 tbcheese Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:49:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42864 Could it be that Proton can't afford to pay for Lotus' services? I mean Lotus has to be able to survive by itself as a company and I don't think they can do that if Proton keeps leeching off their resources. Could it be that Proton can’t afford to pay for Lotus’ services? I mean Lotus has to be able to survive by itself as a company and I don’t think they can do that if Proton keeps leeching off their resources.

]]> By: SoMeOnE http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42858 SoMeOnE Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:31:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42858 well basically...think about it yea...proton's have bad rep....i mean lotus is a company wit racing heritage,...its a bad combination in a business sense..well ya see....jus becoz ur own a company does not mean u can use it..its basically lots of business issues here...if proton makes the lotus unbashedly mass market ..it will lose its value it had bulit up over ther years..i mean think about it.... a 70 k souped up proton that has everythin in it tuned by lotus...well...those top earners around da world wit deep pockets will stop turnin to lotus for their need fer speed coz any other normal person gets acess to da same bloody thing even if they pay half a million...this is why proton has not been utilizin lotus to da max...its business suicide....lotus will lose its value...proton will enjoy sales but will be blamed around da world for makin the brand mass market and we know how discernin the west press are..so its double blow....it be good for us but it ends there....and i u were thinkin...hey!...gm did that to chevorlet and made it mass market by puttin the badge of dawoo cars...well firstly...besides uncle sam and its poeple..many people are still cluless about that brand and secondly ITS GM....they just have the resources and poeple to turn a brand in that manner...THIS IS WHY PROTON IS NOT USIN LOTUS LIKE ALL U POEPLE OUT THERE WANT THEM TOO...IT HAS VERY BAD AFTER EFFECTS....THATS JUST REALITY I GUESS... well basically…think about it yea…proton’s have bad rep….i mean lotus is a company wit racing heritage,…its a bad combination in a business sense..well ya see….jus becoz ur own a company does not mean u can use it..its basically lots of business issues here…if proton makes the lotus unbashedly mass market ..it will lose its value it had bulit up over ther years..i mean think about it…. a 70 k souped up proton that has everythin in it tuned by lotus…well…those top earners around da world wit deep pockets will stop turnin to lotus for their need fer speed coz any other normal person gets acess to da same bloody thing even if they pay half a million…this is why proton has not been utilizin lotus to da max…its business suicide….lotus will lose its value…proton will enjoy sales but will be blamed around da world for makin the brand mass market and we know how discernin the west press are..so its double blow….it be good for us but it ends there….and i u were thinkin…hey!…gm did that to chevorlet and made it mass market by puttin the badge of dawoo cars…well firstly…besides uncle sam and its poeple..many people are still cluless about that brand and secondly ITS GM….they just have the resources and poeple to turn a brand in that manner…THIS IS WHY PROTON IS NOT USIN LOTUS LIKE ALL U POEPLE OUT THERE WANT THEM TOO…IT HAS VERY BAD AFTER EFFECTS….THATS JUST REALITY I GUESS…

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42844 tbcheese Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:24:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42844 honda_driver, its not an insider kind of story. I read it in some publications. I did a search and managed to get a link though annoyingly the article does not have a date. http://www.autocarmag.com/news_article.asp?na_id=219069 <em>The production estimate is 2500 cars a year of the aluminium or composite skinned car, which is crucial to Lotus, which is currently running its Hethel operation on a three-day week.</em> you might find this interesting too <a href="http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060522/FREE/60516004&SearchID=73249144568815" rel="nofollow">Link</a> <em>Lotus is also likely to revise its U.S. sales targets for the Elise and Exige, to cut excess stocks, which reached “600 to 700” unsold cars earlier this year, according to a well-placed source.</em> honda_driver, its not an insider kind of story. I read it in some publications. I did a search and managed to get a link though annoyingly the article does not have a date.

http://www.autocarmag.com/news_article.asp?na_id=219069
The production estimate is 2500 cars a year of the aluminium or composite skinned car, which is crucial to Lotus, which is currently running its Hethel operation on a three-day week.

you might find this interesting too
Link
Lotus is also likely to revise its U.S. sales targets for the Elise and Exige, to cut excess stocks, which reached “600 to 700” unsold cars earlier this year, according to a well-placed source.

]]> By: Zongtwi a.k.a Speed Junkie http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42832 Zongtwi a.k.a Speed Junkie Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:19:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42832 shikamaru5314 said, June 29, 2006 @ 8:53 pm Relax. I speculated that P1 will produce certain car chasis here at Malaysia using apx platform and then give to them to be assembled at UK. Thats why the production can be increased to 8000. Mits GTO maybe. APX=Eorupa, Ultimate(p1/prm), GTO(maybe),SUV --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your speculation doesn't make sense. Fisrt off, Proton's tanjung Malim plant is totally underutilised, why should they give assembly work to Lotus UK? In fact Proton initially wanted to assemble the Esprit in Malaysia. (Proton even has another plant in Indonesia which is underutilised as well fyi). Secondly, labour rates in UK are much much higher than in Malaysia. Which means, unless it is an actual Lotus product, there's no way Proton are going to allow manufacturing to take place in UK. shikamaru5314 said,
June 29, 2006 @ 8:53 pm

Relax. I speculated that P1 will produce certain car chasis here at Malaysia using apx platform and then give to them to be assembled at UK. Thats why the production can be increased to 8000. Mits GTO maybe. APX=Eorupa, Ultimate(p1/prm), GTO(maybe),SUV
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Your speculation doesn’t make sense. Fisrt off, Proton’s tanjung Malim plant is totally underutilised, why should they give assembly work to Lotus UK? In fact Proton initially wanted to assemble the Esprit in Malaysia. (Proton even has another plant in Indonesia which is underutilised as well fyi). Secondly, labour rates in UK are much much higher than in Malaysia. Which means, unless it is an actual Lotus product, there’s no way Proton are going to allow manufacturing to take place in UK.

]]> By: shikamaru5314 http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42813 shikamaru5314 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:53:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42813 Relax. I speculated that P1 will produce certain car chasis here at Malaysia using apx platform and then give to them to be assembled at UK. Thats why the production can be increased to 8000. Mits GTO maybe. APX=Eorupa, Ultimate(p1/prm), GTO(maybe),SUV Btw, Paul why certain videos cannot be viewed? Relax. I speculated that P1 will produce certain car chasis here at Malaysia using apx platform and then give to them to be assembled at UK. Thats why the production can be increased to 8000. Mits GTO maybe. APX=Eorupa, Ultimate(p1/prm), GTO(maybe),SUV

Btw, Paul why certain videos cannot be viewed?

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42784 szw Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:56:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42784 anything to do wif proton ? lolz ! anything to do wif proton ?
lolz !

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42779 kody Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:32:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42779 e.g. for wira 1500cc Aeroback SE, just change the suspension to 1600cc wira... ekzos system upgrade a bit.... Relax...men.... just some comments... :) e.g. for wira 1500cc Aeroback SE, just change the suspension to 1600cc wira… ekzos system upgrade a bit….

Relax…men…. just some comments… :)

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42774 honda_driver Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:03:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42774 kody: "Just do some minor suspension tuning… then claim…tuned by Lotus…. shame on P1" so what exactly do you know that lotus does for proton, that made you come to the conclusion that only minor suspension tuning is involved? kody: “Just do some minor suspension tuning… then claim…tuned by Lotus…. shame on P1″

so what exactly do you know that lotus does for proton, that made you come to the conclusion that only minor suspension tuning is involved?

]]> By: honda_driver http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42773 honda_driver Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:01:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42773 wow.. where do you get information like this? i would love to be able to get info like that as well.. you know someone working in the lotus plant in hethel? "Lotus production line is currently working on a reduced week so I guess sales aren’t that good." wow.. where do you get information like this? i would love to be able to get info like that as well.. you know someone working in the lotus plant in hethel?

“Lotus production line is currently working on a reduced week so I guess sales aren’t that good.”

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42770 tbcheese Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:39:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42770 damn...was slow by a few minutes :p damn…was slow by a few minutes :p

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42768 tbcheese Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:38:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42768 I think 8000 cars is quite good for such a small specialty carmaker. Anyone got the sales numbers? If I'm not mistaken, Lotus production line is currently working on a reduced week so I guess sales aren't that good. I think 8000 cars is quite good for such a small specialty carmaker. Anyone got the sales numbers? If I’m not mistaken, Lotus production line is currently working on a reduced week so I guess sales aren’t that good.

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42767 raybrig85 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:34:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42767 yeah...ure rite...for a handmade car...8000 units a year...it is increadible.... yeah…ure rite…for a handmade car…8000 units a year…it is increadible….

]]> By: Zongtwi a.k.a Speed Junkie http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42765 Zongtwi a.k.a Speed Junkie Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:32:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42765 kody said, June 29, 2006 @ 3:53 pm I think the production rate is quite slow to produce 8000 units annually. ------------------------------------------------------------ Think again...8000 units for mass production is very slow. But Lotus is not a mass production company. All it's cars are hand built. To build 8000 cars a year by hand is phenomenal. The current maximum rate is about 6000 units a year...that is if they go all out in producing cars. Try going on their manufacturing line, it's frickin amazing to see. kody said,
June 29, 2006 @ 3:53 pm

I think the production rate is quite slow to produce 8000 units annually.
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Think again…8000 units for mass production is very slow. But Lotus is not a mass production company. All it’s cars are hand built. To build 8000 cars a year by hand is phenomenal. The current maximum rate is about 6000 units a year…that is if they go all out in producing cars. Try going on their manufacturing line, it’s frickin amazing to see.

]]> By: raybrig85 http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42758 raybrig85 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:08:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42758 this car is very powerful and yeah..its so famous in uk... this car is very powerful and yeah..its so famous in uk…

]]> By: foreverunited http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42757 foreverunited Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:05:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42757 hey kody, what's up with the P1 bashing? pls dont give out of topic comments here.. hey kody, what’s up with the P1 bashing? pls dont give out of topic comments here..

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42752 kody Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:53:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42752 .... a bit off topic... think of P1...related.... forgot to give comment on this. Well done Lotus. I think the production rate is quite slow to produce 8000 units annually. …. a bit off topic… think of P1…related…. forgot to give comment on this. Well done Lotus. I think the production rate is quite slow to produce 8000 units annually.

]]> By: kody http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42750 kody Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:49:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42750 Wahlaueh... i must say Fxxx to P1... so stupid & never fully utilise Lotus KAO KAO for the tuning (engine & suspension). Just do some minor suspension tuning... then claim...tuned by Lotus.... shame on P1... Atleast... wira tune to 110hp...upgrade stoping power , safety features & suspension....then advertise KAO JAO....sure will boost the sale again lah... like wira Aeroback SE... Wahlaueh…

i must say Fxxx to P1… so stupid & never fully utilise Lotus KAO KAO for the tuning (engine & suspension). Just do some minor suspension tuning… then claim…tuned by Lotus…. shame on P1… Atleast… wira tune to 110hp…upgrade stoping power , safety features & suspension….then advertise KAO JAO….sure will boost the sale again lah… like wira Aeroback SE…

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42744 tbcheese Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:10:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42744 Hope they do well. The Europa is so sexy. Hope they do well. The Europa is so sexy.

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42741 ShaolinTiger Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:56:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42741 Yah my uncle used to have a Lotus Carlton, was a pretty popular car in UK for those with money and mid-life crisis...but still wanted something practical. Holy shit it was powerful. Yah my uncle used to have a Lotus Carlton, was a pretty popular car in UK for those with money and mid-life crisis…but still wanted something practical.

Holy shit it was powerful.

]]> By: cratzelogy http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42740 cratzelogy Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:55:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42740 i would like to see LOTUS WALK THE WALK! engtaokia, i saw some related articles that Lotus is working on it already. Lets keep our finger crossed! i would like to see LOTUS WALK THE WALK! engtaokia, i saw some related articles that Lotus is working on it already. Lets keep our finger crossed!

]]> By: jtshin http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42739 jtshin Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:52:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42739 Lotus had turned into something like Brabus? tuning other cars to better performance? Lets hope Lotus can do well in their productions as well... Lotus had turned into something like Brabus? tuning other cars to better performance? Lets hope Lotus can do well in their productions as well…

]]> By: engtaokia http://paultan.org/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42733 engtaokia Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:43:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/06/29/lotus-cars-for-the-next-5-years/#comment-42733 nice dev from lotus. will these guy tuned satria neo too? hmmm.... nice dev from lotus. will these guy tuned satria neo too? hmmm….

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