Comments on: Perdana Replacement Model to get I4 engine? http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:34:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: OPRAH WINFREY http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-182162 OPRAH WINFREY Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:34:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-182162 OLD DESIGN............> OLD DESIGN…………>

]]> By: kazman03 http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-78709 kazman03 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:26:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-78709 i heard from one proton source it gonna be v6 2.0 mivec engine i heard from one proton source it gonna be v6 2.0 mivec engine

]]> By: galvintan http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-51288 galvintan Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:14:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-51288 Boy...I cant wait to see the new Perdana replacement unit. Though I just got my V6, I don't mind changing to a better version of Perdana :) I'll still keep my old V6 to mod into an Eterna Twin Turbo :) Boy…I cant wait to see the new Perdana replacement unit. Though I just got my V6, I don't mind changing to a better version of Perdana :)

I'll still keep my old V6 to mod into an Eterna Twin Turbo :)

]]> By: Perdana Replacement Model study still underway http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-45510 Perdana Replacement Model study still underway Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:07:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-45510 [...] Related Posts: Perdana Replacement Model to get I4 engine Perdana Replacement Model in April 2007 [...] [...] Related Posts: Perdana Replacement Model to get I4 engine Perdana Replacement Model in April 2007 [...]

]]> By: The Automotive Industry, first half of 2006 http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-45317 The Automotive Industry, first half of 2006 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:22:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-45317 [...] Proton also says a new model is in the line-ups to be introduced next year, although the model is still in discussion stages. No details have been revealed except that it is not an SUV model. From discussion to introduction in about the time span of a year? Datuk Kamarulzaman also says Proton cannot reveal any details yet before gaining approval from partners, so this should be a joint-venture for an MPV or a large executive car considering the mention of partners and a fast time to market. [...] [...] Proton also says a new model is in the line-ups to be introduced next year, although the model is still in discussion stages. No details have been revealed except that it is not an SUV model. From discussion to introduction in about the time span of a year? Datuk Kamarulzaman also says Proton cannot reveal any details yet before gaining approval from partners, so this should be a joint-venture for an MPV or a large executive car considering the mention of partners and a fast time to market. [...]

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44353 topgunthang Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:45:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44353 its impossible that proton would fit a 4wd system in it. it was engineered as a fwd. besides....its definitely gonna be lacking power so no point of putting 4wd in. would be nice to at least get the engine of the golf gti or the mazda 6 mps engine in it. but we all know this is proton. oh wait thats not right. its a mitsubishi rebadged. well its lucky mitsu could find a market for it. the new holden looks like its gonna sell alot at about the same price with tons more power and rwd plus a range of electronic gizmos as standard. btw....the rear on both cars look alike. shared aussie designs? its impossible that proton would fit a 4wd system in it. it was engineered as a fwd. besides….its definitely gonna be lacking power so no point of putting 4wd in. would be nice to at least get the engine of the golf gti or the mazda 6 mps engine in it. but we all know this is proton. oh wait thats not right. its a mitsubishi rebadged.

well its lucky mitsu could find a market for it. the new holden looks like its gonna sell alot at about the same price with tons more power and rwd plus a range of electronic gizmos as standard. btw….the rear on both cars look alike. shared aussie designs?

]]> By: drifter http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44293 drifter Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:26:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44293 is rwd a back wheel drive...if it is then...alot of youngsters would buy it cause it can drift... is rwd a back wheel drive…if it is then…alot of youngsters would buy it cause it can drift…

]]> By: Matthew Seleigh http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44240 Matthew Seleigh Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:18:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44240 There can't be any 2.4, 2.4 or 2.0 V6 engines as Mitsubishi has pulled the pin on all of the company's sub-3.0 litre bent sixes. If it's a V6 with three diamonds, it'll be a 3.0, 3.5 or 3.8 now. As fuel economy has become more and more of an issue, the Japanese are abandoning the small V6 concept. Vis-a-vis a well-designed four of equal displacement, the small V6s lack of torque at critical speed ranges has a big impact on installed fuel economy. Mazda abandonded the field nearly a decade ago and Mitsu is belatedly (of course - after all they were quite busy hiding recall information) following suit. Matthew S There can't be any 2.4, 2.4 or 2.0 V6 engines as Mitsubishi has pulled the pin on all of the company's sub-3.0 litre bent sixes. If it's a V6 with three diamonds, it'll be a 3.0, 3.5 or 3.8 now.

As fuel economy has become more and more of an issue, the Japanese are abandoning the small V6 concept. Vis-a-vis a well-designed four of equal displacement, the small V6s lack of torque at critical speed ranges has a big impact on installed fuel economy. Mazda abandonded the field nearly a decade ago and Mitsu is belatedly (of course – after all they were quite busy hiding recall information) following suit.

Matthew S

]]> By: lowprofile http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44231 lowprofile Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:35:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44231 Proton should have a 2.0 light pressure turbo and a 2.4 or 2.5 naturally aspirated engine in the 380. for that kind of weight, the car needs at least 180bhp - 190bhp to move around. Size wise, its kinda huge (built for Aussie and American size mah) so it might go well with Malaysians who need a large sized car (though not necessarily with large engine) to shout success ;) ala Camry and Accord. Proton should have a 2.0 light pressure turbo and a 2.4 or 2.5 naturally aspirated engine in the 380. for that kind of weight, the car needs at least 180bhp – 190bhp to move around. Size wise, its kinda huge (built for Aussie and American size mah) so it might go well with Malaysians who need a large sized car (though not necessarily with large engine) to shout success ;) ala Camry and Accord.

]]> By: mycar_stolen http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44224 mycar_stolen Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44224 Whopper said Just hope Proton doesn’t mess up the build quality. you hope gonne a very BIG HOPE. tariq said but hey,it’s the buyer’s choice to get one THEN CHOOSE OTHER MAKE LA...WHY BOTHER ABOUT PROTON. Whopper said

Just hope Proton doesn’t mess up the build quality.

you hope gonne a very BIG HOPE.

tariq said

but hey,it’s the buyer’s choice to get one

THEN CHOOSE OTHER MAKE LA…WHY BOTHER ABOUT PROTON.

]]> By: Whopper http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44217 Whopper Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:50:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44217 The achilles heel of the new PRM or the Mitsubishi 380 would be that it still uses a 4 speed automatic transmission whereas most of its rivals have gone for a 5 speed automatic transmission. Otherwise the PRM aka Mitsu 380 looks like beautiful. Just hope Proton doesn't mess up the build quality. The achilles heel of the new PRM or the Mitsubishi 380 would be that it still uses a 4 speed automatic transmission whereas most of its rivals have gone for a 5 speed automatic transmission. Otherwise the PRM aka Mitsu 380 looks like beautiful. Just hope Proton doesn't mess up the build quality.

]]> By: tariq http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44202 tariq Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:19:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44202 a heavy car like this, i think,should be RWD.fuel consumption is maybe compromised abit,but hey,it's the buyer's choice to get one. a heavy car like this, i think,should be RWD.fuel consumption is maybe compromised abit,but hey,it's the buyer's choice to get one.

]]> By: ... http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44194 ... Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:32:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44194 The australian 380 with the 3.8 litre engine is selling for around RM80k in australia. If a smaller than 380-engined PRM is sold at more than the current Perdana prices, then it is yet another Proton rip off from the rakyat. The australian 380 with the 3.8 litre engine is selling for around RM80k in australia. If a smaller than 380-engined PRM is sold at more than the current Perdana prices, then it is yet another Proton rip off from the rakyat.

]]> By: sukanduniaaku http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44183 sukanduniaaku Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:05:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44183 wah..300kg heavier than the perdana. why hah? cant they make it lighter? btw, how much the price of the PRM? i guess it'll be rm110k at least..! wah..300kg heavier than the perdana. why hah? cant they make it lighter?

btw, how much the price of the PRM? i guess it'll be rm110k at least..!

]]> By: e-nabilll http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44182 e-nabilll Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:47:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44182 i tink best is using the VW 2Litre FSI Engine....turbo or none turbo are very flexible...i jus hope proton finally gets a proper 5speed auto box for the perdana no mater wat engine it wil use...if thy can borow mitsibishis 5 speed invec2 tiptronic..wil be a good choice...current perdanas v6 engine is really good..bt the auto box doesnt match the engine at all..... i tink best is using the VW 2Litre FSI Engine….turbo or none turbo are very flexible…i jus hope proton finally gets a proper 5speed auto box for the perdana no mater wat engine it wil use…if thy can borow mitsibishis 5 speed invec2 tiptronic..wil be a good choice…current perdanas v6 engine is really good..bt the auto box doesnt match the engine at all…..

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44175 szw Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:30:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44175 i think ppl would be interested in buyin a rwd . i think ppl would be interested in buyin a rwd .

]]> By: Isamu http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44173 Isamu Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:23:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44173 The problem with Proton was always "nice idea, bad execution..". If Satria Neo can be used as a yardstick, I believe Proton is heading towards the right direction.. :) The problem with Proton was always "nice idea, bad execution..". If Satria Neo can be used as a yardstick, I believe Proton is heading towards the right direction.. :)

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44172 mystvearn Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:02:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44172 Looks like they need to redesign the car to make it very very light Looks like they need to redesign the car to make it very very light

]]> By: pixie_wawan http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44164 pixie_wawan Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:09:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44164 blur~ blur~

]]> By: Paul Tan http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44162 Paul Tan Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:16:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44162 I know there is a 4G64 2.4 liter, but the USDM Galant's 2.4 liter is the 4G69. Differences: "the new engine uses a lighter iron block, a higher 9.5:1 compression ratio (from 9.0:1), a dual-port exhaust manifold (from a single), longer intake runners, and lighter valves, pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft, and rocker cover. Most notable is the installation of MIVEC, Mitsubishi's variable-valve-timing-and-lift system. Similar to Honda's VTEC system, MIVEC employs separate cam profiles for low and high engine speeds. But whereas VTEC uses two distinct cam profiles, MIVEC uses three—a high-lift, high-speed profile and low- and mid-lift, low-speed profiles, which, according to Mitsubishi, better induce swirl in the cylinders for improved combustion and emissions" <a href="http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/galant/features_specs.jsp?t=mechanical" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/galant/fea...</a> <a href="http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/7065/mitsubishi-lancer-ralliart.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/7065/mitsubi...</a> I know there is a 4G64 2.4 liter, but the USDM Galant's 2.4 liter is the 4G69.

Differences:

"the new engine uses a lighter iron block, a higher 9.5:1 compression ratio (from 9.0:1), a dual-port exhaust manifold (from a single), longer intake runners, and lighter valves, pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft, and rocker cover. Most notable is the installation of MIVEC, Mitsubishi's variable-valve-timing-and-lift system. Similar to Honda's VTEC system, MIVEC employs separate cam profiles for low and high engine speeds. But whereas VTEC uses two distinct cam profiles, MIVEC uses three—a high-lift, high-speed profile and low- and mid-lift, low-speed profiles, which, according to Mitsubishi, better induce swirl in the cylinders for improved combustion and emissions"

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/galant/fea… http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/7065/mitsubi…

]]> By: ... http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44161 ... Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:10:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44161 Nope, the 380 does not have RWD. That is one of the reason it is not selling well in Australia, when its competitors the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon both are RWD. Toyota is even planning to give its Toyota Aurion a 4WD to try and capture the market of the Holden and Ford. I think the 380 can be fitted with 4WD and it would make a nice to of the range car. Nope, the 380 does not have RWD. That is one of the reason it is not selling well in Australia, when its competitors the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon both are RWD. Toyota is even planning to give its Toyota Aurion a 4WD to try and capture the market of the Holden and Ford.

I think the 380 can be fitted with 4WD and it would make a nice to of the range car.

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44156 szw Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44156 is there a rwd ? is there a rwd ?

]]> By: ... http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44155 ... Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:47:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44155 They can use the 2.5 litre V6 6a13 from a JDM galant. AFAIK the 2.4 I4 is called 4G64. Fuel consumption is relative. A person who is used to driving an Iswara would surely say it consumes alot of fuel. but i think perdana's FC is comparable to other cars in its class. And a Lotus Carlton replacement based on the PRM maybe? (6A13 2.5 twin turbo 300hp) They can use the 2.5 litre V6 6a13 from a JDM galant. AFAIK the 2.4 I4 is called 4G64. Fuel consumption is relative. A person who is used to driving an Iswara would surely say it consumes alot of fuel. but i think perdana's FC is comparable to other cars in its class.

And a Lotus Carlton replacement based on the PRM maybe? (6A13 2.5 twin turbo 300hp)

]]> By: acbc http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44151 acbc Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:34:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44151 I'm already planning a hybrid of 4G63 + 4G64 + turbo... should give lots of torque on the low end. :) I'm already planning a hybrid of 4G63 + 4G64 + turbo… should give lots of torque on the low end. :)

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44136 szw Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:53:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44136 i think an inline 4 will do da job well if dey r usin 2.4 . but pls put in a 5-speed auto or giv us cvt pls . i think an inline 4 will do da job well if dey r usin 2.4 .

but pls put in a 5-speed auto or giv us cvt pls .

]]> By: lembagatanah http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44129 lembagatanah Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:50:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44129 wah surely good engine but not suitable la. even if it is, so costly and much more expensive compared to current perdana. me think any engine with more than 160hp is suficient 4 this car considering it's weight. hopefully P1 can put a good mitsu engine into this wah surely good engine but not suitable la. even if it is, so costly and much more expensive compared to current perdana. me think any engine with more than 160hp is suficient 4 this car considering it's weight. hopefully P1 can put a good mitsu engine into this

]]> By: KY http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44128 KY Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:24:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44128 evo engine. :P evo engine. :P

]]> By: SatriaGuy http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44126 SatriaGuy Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:53:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44126 Power-to-weight ratio is always a moot point for heavy cars. You don't need a very powerful engine if the car is mostly made of aluminium (like the 5-series and Audi A6). Still, in selecting an engine for the upcoming Perdana replacement (PRM?), Proton needs to also consider other important matters such as crash test performance, engine mounting(which relates to NVH), emissions(regulations for sale overseas), fuel economy etc, etc. So it's not just confined to power alone. A car like the Perdana has to be quiet and refined, ride well and roomy inside. Power-to-weight ratio is always a moot point for heavy cars. You don't need a very powerful engine if the car is mostly made of aluminium (like the 5-series and Audi A6).

Still, in selecting an engine for the upcoming Perdana replacement (PRM?), Proton needs to also consider other important matters such as crash test performance, engine mounting(which relates to NVH), emissions(regulations for sale overseas), fuel economy etc, etc.

So it's not just confined to power alone. A car like the Perdana has to be quiet and refined, ride well and roomy inside.

]]> By: mycar_stolen http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44124 mycar_stolen Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:03:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44124 I'm not the one who used the terms..but... I4 Inline 4 <a href="http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm" rel="nofollow">http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm</a> I'm not the one who used the terms..but…

I4 Inline 4
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine-inline.htm

]]> By: Bbingbong http://paultan.org/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44121 Bbingbong Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:38:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/17/perdana-replacement-model-to-get-i4-engine/#comment-44121 err can i ask what is I4???? =)) err can i ask what is I4???? =))

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