ya i know bout dat…bout all the list ure comparing too is correct…but for audis is the s-line…it is the sport division for audis like merc gt amg….sumting like datla…

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No man, you got to research a bit more. Google it if you have to and you'll know. S Line is a product line ONLY, not a Division, Quattro GmbH is the Performance Division of Audi GmbH.

S Line "branded" cars are simply put "More Show than Go" cars.

Just like these upcoming cars by R3. Which is no bad thing as long as the styling is done tastefully. And looking at the Gen2 & Savvy they previously did I'd say R3 has beter taste than their parent company.

I for one having seen the Concept during the Neo Launch wouldn't mind a Satria NEO R3, if it ever comes out ………………

si vous esprit est placé sur Saturne puis votre tête doit être dans l'uranus

désirent ardemment le proton de phase !

July 26, 2006 @ 10:31 pm

superman…jz want to make a correction…audi is S line division…not the quattro…S line is the high end for audi version…

i think maybe sooner R3 will be a official proton tuner like the amg for merc…M for beemer…

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S-Line is the Product Line. They are "spruced" up Audis for people who can't afford or don't want something as hardcore as the S4, S6 & RS4, RS6. Quattro GmBh is the motorsports/tuning division that come up with those cars.

I believe R3 is already the official Proton Tuner. Being owned by Proton…

very intelligent comment.

There is nothing to lose as R3 proves their ability in improving performance on low performance vehicles.

Who knows R3 is tuning for high end vehicles in future? I'm not siding anyone but would like to conclude that "Without experiments, nice product will never exists".

Please bear in mind that, larger size of products will always take times to improve.

i think maybe sooner R3 will be a official proton tuner like the amg for merc…M for beemer…so…no need to fight…

July 26, 2006 @ 2:06 pm

I’m complaining for fun, Proton sale is in deep trouble I just dont want felow MSIAN BEING TRICKED AS THEY WANT TO CLEAR THEIR STOCK"

dude, no offence meant la, but i think malaysians are a lot smarter than you think. if i have a budget of RM65,000, and i want a new largish sedan car, with some go-faster bits, but i'm not exactly a racer who will actually push the car to its limits, I might actually buy a "tarted" up waja with R3 bits. Why? coz that the market i'm in, something family, yet looks fast, and at my budget, theres not many other choices.

I'm not about to go out and buy a RM900,000 M5 right?

I don't own an R3 car, but i've driven them before, and the handling promises are kept. the cars are real drivers cars, and from what I've read in the magazines and newspapers, they all seem to think so too. Are we all being tricked somehow?

July 26, 2006 @ 3:47 pm

Just because a car has front engine, four-doors and a boot doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a family car. A tuning outfit can tune any sort of car they like because 1) they can 2) they sell. So nothing wrong for R3 to do up a Waja or whatever, if there is business in it, they’ll do it.

And what is this about comparing M-Sport and AMG to R3? They are not in the same league. It’s only the essence of what these companies are doing that is similar. That is, tuning standard cars. Resources-wise, they are a universe away

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You hit the nail on the "4 door not family car statement"

I wasn't comparing the R3 to the Germans, more a case of giving example of what a Manufacturer-owned Tuner does. And I believe R3 too wish they had resources like the Germans..haha.. like more powerful engines. And power windows that don't fail..

Just because Proton has abundant stock and R3 coming out with their version of LEV, Zerokit, or whatever it will be called , People put 2+2 and get 5 .. saying it' s just to get rid of old stock…. amazing power of deduction…

i told you, lets talk cars, not personal attack. read in full what i've wrote. i never condemn you. all i touch was your point. i quote what u said, and if u think that i misunderstood ur point, u should explain in here rather than calling me arrogant and typical malaysian (what is typical malaysian? do you mean typical malaysian is arrogant?). life is a learning process why so arrogant, dude

typical Msian la you…so aggressive like you own the R3 team…life is a learning process why so arrogant

waja std then waja R3.stock standard then straightly introduce R3 version.can they something intermediate?if it is only "garnishing"a can do on your own.

no wonder la so many msian dies on the road….so many so arrogant. sorry Paul messing up your wonderful blog.

And what is this about comparing M-Sport and AMG to R3? They are not in the same league. It's only the essence of what these companies are doing that is similar. That is, tuning standard cars. Resources-wise, they are a universe away.

based on your statement above, u just think family car can be tuned (regardless the mod), but when R3 do that, it is questionable. but why they can't?

i think we both agree the R3 tuned car is not that so-called tuned car as compared as other tuner, and this might be the way for P1 to clear the stock. be comfortable with the comparison dude, i understand what you are tryin to say, but just the way u mentioned it was not proper.

i'm open for further factual discussion. lets talk cars.

and btw, i'm not your boss, not now to say the least ,

it is not me la..thats is why I said not comfortable comparing other brands with Proton.

other manufacturer the dont soup-up "family car" they are tuning the "sport sedan" version.

sorry sorry Paul..this is my last comments.

the first R3 is derived from SATRIA GTi not the 1.3/1.5/1.6.

now they have GEN2/WAJA suddenly come R3 versions…

come on lah you all know they want to clear their stocks why still want to highlight my not so perfect comments.cheers everybody

I think you didn't read Paul's post clearly. On the last pharagraph it is clearly stated "…special edition vehicles are not completely souped up Limited Edition Vehicles like what the Proton Satria R3 …"

so it's a case of expecting too much..

Let's just wait and reserve judgement shall we. Bickering endlessly on something that is not out on the market speaks volumes of some post's immaturity.

And what's wrong with R3 coming out with a "family car" (quoting your words)?

BMW M Division, Audi's Quattro Division, MB's AMG, Nissan's NISMO, Toyota's TRD all have 4 door performance(family) car. Some are even Station Wagon.

Some from NISMO, TRD, AMG, M Dvision only have "go-faster" bodykits and not much else. But when R3 "tarts" a GEN2 and WAJA strange comments crop up.

BMW is not a desperate company they do have M3,M5 and M6.but e.g for 3 series they have lots of range including 2 doors version, cabriolet version then they come out with the M range.to satisfied their customers.same like AMG, Brabus, Kleemann because everybody can afford a Benz "there" so if you want different one buy the special version.M5 is totally different car compare to 520i.2.3 litre(last time 2.0)to 5.0 litre V8 some more .

BTW R3 "garnishing"(copy our friend word)same engine,some new bodykits,special body stripe…bla bla bluetooth..do WAJA R3/GEN2 R3 c/w momo s'wheels, recaro seat,special tune suspension….

I'm complaining for fun, Proton sale is in deep trouble I just dont want felow MSIAN BEING TRICKED AS THEY WANT TO CLEAR THEIR STOCK.Sorry I'm really not comfortable comparing BMW/Benz with our super duper P1.

July 26, 2006 @ 1:09 am

Malayman says:

” … these guys need support. yes 22 yrs and we cant really brag about proton … so what? is it so hard to just support your local product? ”

I ‘just’ have to disagree with you. That’s a question blindly put. Yes it’s hard to support when you deserve much better products with the money you pay for a Proton.

Yes agree with you, why you want to support local product that never concern the local itself.I'm not complaining about Proton just for fun just a brother to brother advice for all the younger people to look for other brands. We dont want you to be like us, forced to buy Proton and being insult all the time as the poor msian and also insult by the Proton people itself.(car rosak before engine start, and rosak rosak again) If you still want to support Proton then up to you it is your money. So many bad testimonies still want to buy…so pity la…

p/s SATRIA GTI R3 tune ok la..but WAJA AND GEN2 only to clear stock la.they should come with Gen2 gt/gti FIRST THEN CAME UP WITH r3. WHY THEY WANT TO R3 A CAR FOR FAMILY.

" … these guys need support. yes 22 yrs and we cant really brag about proton … so what? is it so hard to just support your local product? "

I 'just' have to disagree with you. That's a question blindly put. Yes it's hard to support when you deserve much better products with the money you pay for a Proton.

They are a worthy part of Proton. Yes, they make existing stock appear more delicious to buy but they are not fooling you by saying that they are merely adding aftermarket bits and painting the car black with stripes.

So mtay, you're mistaken. It's not about going out shopping for add-ons and saying that you'd be at par or better than R3. R3 has some resources that you and I can't get access to, like car production processes and most of all R&D.

Drive the Satria R3 and you'll know that it's not about speed alone. Balance is all the car is about and no one outside a car company can formulate a car with the same kind of balance and sell it at less than RM100k.

Making a car drive better isn't just about improving its speed alone.

"This car is not a looker nor a performer. the satria gti to my book is the only p1 car worthy of the R3 as its fast, powerful and to the least looks mean as a hot hatch even though the car is fully mitsu colt. who would want to have a race rally research theme on a lame, slow and dumb-foundedly ugly cars?"

Satria R3 has the same/similar bodykits as the Satria GTi. The only noticible difference is the interior and it's fetish black colour. Maybe black is not your fetish..

In terms of performance, the Satria R3 is AT LEAST a couple of seconds faster than the Satria GTi on Sepang and Pasir Gudang circuits.

If you want something quicker than that, call up Tengku Djan and ask him if the Satria SSO or the Putra SSO is on the market. Those two machines are speed demons, the quickest NA Protons in the world, maybe.

Therefore, I think R3 is quite consistent with the world's best factory tuners in the sense that R3-badged cars are better than Proton-badged cars just like M-Power cars are better than normal BMWs..