Comments on: Honda I-SHIFT http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:46:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Toyota Auris announced, 2 gas and 3 http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-53890 Toyota Auris announced, 2 gas and 3 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:37:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-53890 [...] The 1.6 liter Dual VVT-i and the 1.4 liter D-4D turbodiesel engine also have an option for Toyota’s MultiMode transmission, which is basically a manual transmission with a computer controlled clutch, like Honda’s i-SHIFT or Proton’s AMT. The thing is, the same 1.6 Dual VVT-i equipped with a MultiMode transmission raises 0-100km/h acceleration time from 10.4 seconds to 12.1 seconds, and the 1.4 D4-D’s time is slower (14.7 seconds versus 12.0) so I suppose the shifting speed of this transmission is not really that great, far from what Volkswagen has achieved with DSG. Honda has got some bad reviews about it’s i-SHIFT, so Toyota had better not end up with the same predicament. [...] [...] The 1.6 liter Dual VVT-i and the 1.4 liter D-4D turbodiesel engine also have an option for Toyota’s MultiMode transmission, which is basically a manual transmission with a computer controlled clutch, like Honda’s i-SHIFT or Proton’s AMT. The thing is, the same 1.6 Dual VVT-i equipped with a MultiMode transmission raises 0-100km/h acceleration time from 10.4 seconds to 12.1 seconds, and the 1.4 D4-D’s time is slower (14.7 seconds versus 12.0) so I suppose the shifting speed of this transmission is not really that great, far from what Volkswagen has achieved with DSG. Honda has got some bad reviews about it’s i-SHIFT, so Toyota had better not end up with the same predicament. [...]

]]> By: chun http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45813 chun Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:40:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45813 DSG is extremely smooth, far smoother than any manual car, and much much smoother than Selespeed and SMG. Plus if you are talking about gear change speed, none of the other automated manuals come close to the shift speed of DSG. IMHO, DSG blows everything else out of the water, including manual transmissions. DSG is extremely smooth, far smoother than any manual car, and much much smoother than Selespeed and SMG. Plus if you are talking about gear change speed, none of the other automated manuals come close to the shift speed of DSG. IMHO, DSG blows everything else out of the water, including manual transmissions.

]]> By: DrA http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45809 DrA Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:19:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45809 I have driven the Ishift Honda Civic recently. And I agree it is not as good as the DSG from VW/Audi. In full auto mode it is very jerky and quite dissapointing. However, in the manual mode (where you have paddles behind the steering wheel) it was very entertaining to drive. The response is relatively quick and it suits the new 1.8 high rev engine very well. So conclusion: Full auto mode - not good. Paddle manual - OK ..so..so I have driven the Ishift Honda Civic recently. And I agree it is not as good as the DSG from VW/Audi. In full auto mode it is very jerky and quite dissapointing. However, in the manual mode (where you have paddles behind the steering wheel) it was very entertaining to drive. The response is relatively quick and it suits the new 1.8 high rev engine very well.
So conclusion: Full auto mode – not good.
Paddle manual – OK ..so..so

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45794 motorhead Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:28:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45794 auto? DSG? i-shift? whats wrong with manuals?.. all honda cars in msia r now auto.. boring la... manuals cool what.. easy to maintain & syok.. total control of a car... auto? DSG? i-shift? whats wrong with manuals?.. all honda cars in msia r now auto.. boring la… manuals cool what.. easy to maintain & syok.. total control of a car…

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45791 4G63T DSM Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:02:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45791 familyman, That is just a regular automatic, with manual select (ie. Its still an auto gearbox.) The differentiation/defination of a manual and auto is whether one has a clutch (manual) or a torque converter (automatic). Even the so called '7 Speed' CVT in the City or Jazz/Fit is just marketing speak for buyers who know no better. CVTs do not have gears. Putting "gears" in it only sets the computer to artificial and predetermined gear ratios. familyman,

That is just a regular automatic, with manual select (ie. Its still an auto gearbox.)

The differentiation/defination of a manual and auto is whether one has a clutch (manual) or a torque converter (automatic).

Even the so called ‘7 Speed’ CVT in the City or Jazz/Fit is just marketing speak for buyers who know no better. CVTs do not have gears. Putting “gears” in it only sets the computer to artificial and predetermined gear ratios.

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45786 MyBoy Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:18:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45786 Paul, More info please. Paul,

More info please.

]]> By: pirate http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45755 pirate Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:20:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45755 Wonder if it's as good as the benchmarked DSG or S-tronic (in Audi's speak)... Wonder if it’s as good as the benchmarked DSG or S-tronic (in Audi’s speak)…

]]> By: familyman http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45741 familyman Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:26:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45741 I-talk laaahhh or I-Shift.. talk talk laah Yeah.. the city's cvt is sweet... the piece de'resistances over vios. but would like to test the I-Shift though.. I've tested the new 2006 Mazda 3.. it has the option to manually shift its autogear through a 4speed gear.. no pedals only the gearstick. Is it considered automated manual transmission also? I-talk laaahhh
or I-Shift..
talk talk laah
Yeah.. the city’s cvt is sweet… the piece de’resistances over vios.
but would like to test the I-Shift though..

I’ve tested the new 2006 Mazda 3.. it has the option to manually shift its autogear through a 4speed gear.. no pedals only the gearstick.
Is it considered automated manual transmission also?

]]> By: KY http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45697 KY Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:04:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45697 what about the savvy? don't left out the AMT. :) what about the savvy? don’t left out the AMT. :)

]]> By: Dogster http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45695 Dogster Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:46:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45695 No worreis abt cost, as soon as they are common in the market,servicing these things can be just peanuts in the end :) No worreis abt cost, as soon as they are common in the market,servicing these things can be just peanuts in the end :)

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45694 4G63T DSM Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:07:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45694 Can't say for the rest but the only 2 clutchless manuals I've driven was the DSG and the Selespeed. Neither is as smooth as a proper manual and a proper automatic. If you are an enthusiast, you wont replace your manual anyway , and a proper auto is better in the city, especially with the CVTs. So it leaves these clutchless manuals in limbo...really, especially these are rather expensive options. No idea on long term reliability though, but for me, the simpler the system, the less things that could go wring with them. Can’t say for the rest but the only 2 clutchless manuals I’ve driven was the DSG and the Selespeed.

Neither is as smooth as a proper manual and a proper automatic.

If you are an enthusiast, you wont replace your manual anyway , and a proper auto is better in the city, especially with the CVTs.

So it leaves these clutchless manuals in limbo…really, especially these are rather expensive options.

No idea on long term reliability though, but for me, the simpler the system, the less things that could go wring with them.

]]> By: cosmohybrid http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45692 cosmohybrid Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:47:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45692 when car manufacturer sells a car with automated manual clutch, little do buyers knows that the unit that actuate the clutch is actually a wear and tear item.. it actually has a certain lifespan and need to be service for some and some even have to be replace over a period of time usage.. and its gonna be costly.. car manufacturer dun tell you this when they launch the car in the market... eg..savvy amt, selespeed, smg, smart softouch, citreon sensordrive to name a few... when car manufacturer sells a car with automated manual clutch, little do buyers knows that the unit that actuate the clutch is actually a wear and tear item.. it actually has a certain lifespan and need to be service for some and some even have to be replace over a period of time usage.. and its gonna be costly.. car manufacturer dun tell you this when they launch the car in the market…
eg..savvy amt, selespeed, smg, smart softouch, citreon sensordrive to name a few…

]]> By: my accord was gone... http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45690 my accord was gone... Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:20:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45690 special car also got a special look, but looking not have HONDA style already... special car also got a special look,
but looking not have HONDA style already…

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45670 szw Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:38:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/03/honda-i-shift/#comment-45670 got dual clutch ? got dual clutch ?

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