Comments on: BMW and Audi ad tussle http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:17 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: E30bimmerman http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-250077 E30bimmerman Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:31:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-250077 to V_Noz You know nothing about bmw and audi. in fact you're just a envious looser. shame on you kid. to V_Noz

You know nothing about bmw and audi.
in fact you’re just a envious looser.
shame on you kid.

]]> By: marie http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-209181 marie Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:00:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-209181 I own both cars there both great cars. I was amused at some of these comments on how they stenotype people on what car they drive. I would imagine those cant afford either. I own both cars there both great cars. I was amused at some of these comments on how they stenotype people on what car they drive. I would imagine those cant afford either.

]]> By: pekan http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-58937 pekan Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:47:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-58937 apparently Subaru and Bently have something to say too. check these out. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/audi.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/bmw.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/subaru.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/bentley.jpg HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY..! apparently Subaru and Bently have something to say too.

check these out.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/audi.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/bmw.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/subaru.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/4JB1T/bentley.jpg

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY..!

]]> By: damion http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46667 damion Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:51:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46667 more like developing brain tumor if things keep up... more like developing brain tumor if things keep up…

]]> By: matmoto_5125 http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46423 matmoto_5125 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:49:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46423 u do brainstorming ka..?lol.. u do brainstorming ka..?lol..

]]> By: damion http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46395 damion Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:15:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46395 matmoto, it suddenly came into me. lol... matmoto, it suddenly came into me. lol…

]]> By: matmoto_5125 http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46389 matmoto_5125 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:06:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46389 aiyo...damion...so much talk la.. aiyo…damion…so much talk la..

]]> By: damion http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46373 damion Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:36:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46373 German marques sold in Malaysia can hardly be compared on a head on situation. The fight here isn't really on power because of the ridiculous taxes (road tax inclusive). When they compete back in the Autobahn, they talk about elusive horsepowers made from petrol hungry V8s and how fast you can go. You can't drive a 5.5litre V8 here in Malaysia. The roadtax will kill you and if that doesn't, let the insurance agencies have a take at you. Technology wise, how many "tau-kehs" here actually know how to work the i-Drive(or other systems from other makes) properly? Here in Malaysia it's about brand exclusivity or rather, brand name. Or is it? Nowadays, I would say that BMW here in Malaysia is getting more and more affordable (in a way) by CKD means and they fall deep down in quality such as fit & finish. Problematic models are beginning to surface and BMW Malaysia is having headaches over certain issues regarding built quality and how long the local contents can actually last. For example, 5-series is having that problem currently. Ask a dealer regarding the 523i which is now out of stock due to it not being assembled. They would gladly give you the just in 520i CBU'ed from Thailand whichs costs a lot more less than the 523i but with almost as much stuff that the 523i has. Problem is quality inconsistency with local parts. Looks wise, a big salute to Chris Bangle for making the BMWs so much different. However, when they decided to make the 3-series a little bit less aggresive due to the fact that they don't want to ruin the potential market it already has, I would say this is where it goes wrong and the current 3-series simply looks queer. It's a design that is rather in the middle of nowhere between aggresive and conservative. The coupe doesn't look as intimidating as the M3 as well. Mercedes have failed to intrigue most people nowadays. The local CKD cars have bad quality(only German marque comparison) compared to the models of the yesteryears. Fit and finish isn't what we would call desirable and trim wise? The leather feels fake for a leather. I remember the days when Mercedes still looked geekish but still had the upper hand for offering Comfort among everything else. Being in a Mercedes then really felt different because the luxury that bombards you straight to the face really is something else. Now? The whole plastic thing is just so wrong. Focus back to quality please? Looks department. Despite the major improvements they made a few years ago with the car designs they've launched, sadly I feel that the momentum is feeling a bit lost. I'll reserve my comments for Audi. Not very sure about the daily grinds of owning one but my experience with the showroom models were rather fantastic. Fit and finish is as what they say top notch for me. And the exterior looks no longer looks bland compared to the previous models. Of course I still think that the radiator grille is a bit too big for a car, but the entire design is incorporated harmoniously no doubt. So what is the real battle for German marques here then? Is it the looks? Is it still power? Or just back to the basics of quality assured? Rethink our stand we should, no? My personal choice then? Audi has good fit and finish, looks cool as well. BMWs have good looks and resale value & Mercedes is well, Mercedes. Hmm, for the price of the german marques sold here, I think I'm better off in a Japanese marque for years to come. Despite them being CKD'ed. At least I know my spare parts are affordable rather than elusive. * Driving doesn't mean owning. And it's a whole world of difference to drive it for a day than driving it everyday. German marques sold in Malaysia can hardly be compared on a head on situation. The fight here isn’t really on power because of the ridiculous taxes (road tax inclusive). When they compete back in the Autobahn, they talk about elusive horsepowers made from petrol hungry V8s and how fast you can go. You can’t drive a 5.5litre V8 here in Malaysia. The roadtax will kill you and if that doesn’t, let the insurance agencies have a take at you. Technology wise, how many “tau-kehs” here actually know how to work the i-Drive(or other systems from other makes) properly? Here in Malaysia it’s about brand exclusivity or rather, brand name. Or is it?

Nowadays, I would say that BMW here in Malaysia is getting more and more affordable (in a way) by CKD means and they fall deep down in quality such as fit & finish. Problematic models are beginning to surface and BMW Malaysia is having headaches over certain issues regarding built quality and how long the local contents can actually last. For example, 5-series is having that problem currently. Ask a dealer regarding the 523i which is now out of stock due to it not being assembled. They would gladly give you the just in 520i CBU’ed from Thailand whichs costs a lot more less than the 523i but with almost as much stuff that the 523i has. Problem is quality inconsistency with local parts.
Looks wise, a big salute to Chris Bangle for making the BMWs so much different. However, when they decided to make the 3-series a little bit less aggresive due to the fact that they don’t want to ruin the potential market it already has, I would say this is where it goes wrong and the current 3-series simply looks queer. It’s a design that is rather in the middle of nowhere between aggresive and conservative. The coupe doesn’t look as intimidating as the M3 as well.

Mercedes have failed to intrigue most people nowadays. The local CKD cars have bad quality(only German marque comparison) compared to the models of the yesteryears. Fit and finish isn’t what we would call desirable and trim wise? The leather feels fake for a leather. I remember the days when Mercedes still looked geekish but still had the upper hand for offering Comfort among everything else. Being in a Mercedes then really felt different because the luxury that bombards you straight to the face really is something else. Now? The whole plastic thing is just so wrong. Focus back to quality please?
Looks department. Despite the major improvements they made a few years ago with the car designs they’ve launched, sadly I feel that the momentum is feeling a bit lost.

I’ll reserve my comments for Audi. Not very sure about the daily grinds of owning one but my experience with the showroom models were rather fantastic. Fit and finish is as what they say top notch for me. And the exterior looks no longer looks bland compared to the previous models. Of course I still think that the radiator grille is a bit too big for a car, but the entire design is incorporated harmoniously no doubt.

So what is the real battle for German marques here then? Is it the looks? Is it still power? Or just back to the basics of quality assured?
Rethink our stand we should, no?

My personal choice then? Audi has good fit and finish, looks cool as well. BMWs have good looks and resale value & Mercedes is well, Mercedes. Hmm, for the price of the german marques sold here, I think I’m better off in a Japanese marque for years to come. Despite them being CKD’ed. At least I know my spare parts are affordable rather than elusive.

* Driving doesn’t mean owning. And it’s a whole world of difference to drive it for a day than driving it everyday.

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46368 V_NoZ Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:48:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46368 Dumb... driven a friend's Audi!..DUH... some plp dont understand simple sentances! what pity.... Dumb… driven a friend’s Audi!..DUH… some plp dont understand simple sentances! what pity….

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46367 ingolstadt Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:40:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46367 V_NoZ said, August 7, 2006 @ 7:14 pm The ULTIMATE DRVING MACHINE RULEZZ!.BMW has got the brand value compared with Audi. lets take an example, if u drive an Audi plp might think that u got not enough money to buy a bmw. plp might think that he is trying to show off by driving a cheap german car! other reason for Malaysian not to drive the Olympic looking badge is because of bad resale value. V_NoZ said, August 9, 2006 @ 2:01 pm I have driven a bmw, merc and an Audi before I have been for test drive on road shows too. ___________________________________________________________________________ LoL. Go on, it'll never end. V_NoZ said,
August 7, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

The ULTIMATE DRVING MACHINE RULEZZ!.BMW has got the brand value compared with Audi. lets take an example, if u drive an Audi plp might think that u got not enough money to buy a bmw. plp might think that he is trying to show off by driving a cheap german car! other reason for Malaysian not to drive the Olympic looking badge is because of bad resale value.

V_NoZ said,
August 9, 2006 @ 2:01 pm

I have driven a bmw, merc and an Audi before I have been for test drive on road shows too.
___________________________________________________________________________

LoL. Go on, it’ll never end.

]]> By: matmoto_5125 http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46223 matmoto_5125 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:36:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46223 GO BMW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BMW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46214 V_NoZ Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:01:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46214 ingolstadt.. We do not take it personally with the brand we favor? I DO but I DONT think U DO. U are criticizing the person rather then the what u think about the car. This is an automotive blog, not political! When I have conversation with my fellow friends about a particular brand, they will talk freely about the brand and vice versa .I think some people here love to hit out at opinions and not the person and have fun reading it. So its u kind of childish mentally who feel like being humiliated or basically harassed by other peoples view that u would retaliate back in such manner! For your information! I have driven a bmw, merc and an Audi before I have been for test drive on road shows too. You are telling me that u don’t have favorite among them? As I said earlier, I support strongly for brands that I feel it deserve! It’s not my problem u think alike. It’s what I LIKE AND WHAT I FEEL...U CAN TAKE A HIKE! obvoiusly i will favour a brand coz its better.. DUH! which world are u in boy? LEARN HOW TO PEN UR VIEWS DOWN. DONT MENTION NAME WHEN U REPLY! ingolstadt..
We do not take it personally with the brand we favor? I DO but I DONT think U DO. U are criticizing the person rather then the what u think about the car. This is an automotive blog, not political! When I have conversation with my fellow friends about a particular brand, they will talk freely about the brand and vice versa .I think some people here love to hit out at opinions and not the person and have fun reading it. So its u kind of childish mentally who feel like being humiliated or basically harassed by other peoples view that u would retaliate back in such manner! For your information! I have driven a bmw, merc and an Audi before I have been for test drive on road shows too. You are telling me that u don’t have favorite among them? As I said earlier, I support strongly for brands that I feel it deserve! It’s not my problem u think alike. It’s what I LIKE AND WHAT I FEEL…U CAN TAKE A HIKE!
obvoiusly i will favour a brand coz its better.. DUH! which world are u in boy?
LEARN HOW TO PEN UR VIEWS DOWN. DONT MENTION NAME WHEN U REPLY!

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46206 ingolstadt Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:33:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46206 Again V_Noz, we do not take it personally with the brand we favor, it's cheeky fans like u who oftenly spoil the atmosphere. Again, who mentioned BMW as being a lesser car? No one. Everyone knows they're good. But it's you, fan boys like you that constantly bashed out other brands, just because the one you favor is the one you felt its better. STUPIDITY. BUY ONE AND DRIVE IT. And keep quiet. DONT TAKE RACER BOY ATTITUDES TO THESE GERMAN MARQUES. As i said, go drive your wira. Again V_Noz, we do not take it personally with the brand we favor, it’s cheeky fans like u who oftenly spoil the atmosphere. Again, who mentioned BMW as being a lesser car? No one. Everyone knows they’re good. But it’s you, fan boys like you that constantly bashed out other brands, just because the one you favor is the one you felt its better. STUPIDITY.

BUY ONE AND DRIVE IT. And keep quiet. DONT TAKE RACER BOY ATTITUDES TO THESE GERMAN MARQUES.

As i said, go drive your wira.

]]> By: chun http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46202 chun Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:16:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46202 Here are some comparos from the leading German mags, Autobild and Automotor und Sport. I tend to trust their comparos more when it comes to German cars since the journos are from the land where marques originate and they don't seem to be so biased. I have noticed a trend in recent years. Audi is kicking butt! http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2fsuche%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d6285%26artikel_seite%3d4%26A_SESS%3dc0b8afca8968530da9e40026aef18976 http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2fsuche%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d6048%26artikel_seite%3d6%26A_SESS%3dc0b8afca8968530da9e40026aef18976 http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2ftest%2fneuwagen%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d7322%26artikel_seite%3d5 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2Fd%2F92854&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools Here are some comparos from the leading German mags, Autobild and Automotor und Sport. I tend to trust their comparos more when it comes to German cars since the journos are from the land where marques originate and they don’t seem to be so biased. I have noticed a trend in recent years. Audi is kicking butt!

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2fsuche%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d6285%26artikel_seite%3d4%26A_SESS%3dc0b8afca8968530da9e40026aef18976

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2fsuche%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d6048%26artikel_seite%3d6%26A_SESS%3dc0b8afca8968530da9e40026aef18976

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.autobild.de%2ftest%2fneuwagen%2fartikel.php%3fartikel_id%3d7322%26artikel_seite%3d5

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2Fd%2F92854&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46183 tbcheese Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:57:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46183 A surprising verdict http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0607_2007_supersedans/index.html and a not so surprising verdict http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109032 BMW have also dropped their "Ultimate Driving Machine" marketing phrase for "Company of Ideas". Maybe its cos they feel they've established their reputation as performance oriented and its time to move on. But somehow it doesn't sound as cool as "Power of Dreams" does it? A surprising verdict

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0607_2007_supersedans/index.html

and a not so surprising verdict

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109032

BMW have also dropped their “Ultimate Driving Machine” marketing phrase for “Company of Ideas”. Maybe its cos they feel they’ve established their reputation as performance oriented and its time to move on. But somehow it doesn’t sound as cool as “Power of Dreams” does it?

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46171 V_NoZ Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:07:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46171 something to laugh about! http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106052 cheers agian! something to laugh about!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106052
cheers agian!

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46170 V_NoZ Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:01:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46170 wanna share something interesting.. http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/10/18/bmw-audi-luxurysedans-cx_dl_1019show_ls.html cheers wanna share something interesting..
http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/10/18/bmw-audi-luxurysedans-cx_dl_1019show_ls.html
cheers

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46166 V_NoZ Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:37:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46166 ingolstadt- well i guess i hurt ur feelings eh? .. just to bad ur taking it the wrong way. iam entitle to write what i feel about my comments! u learn how to accept other plp comment.. ok? ingolstadt- well i guess i hurt ur feelings eh? .. just to bad ur taking it the wrong way. iam entitle to write what i feel about my comments! u learn how to accept other plp comment.. ok?

]]> By: Cheeky Audi Advertisement http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46163 Cheeky Audi Advertisement Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:06:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46163 [...] Here’s another cheeky advertisement from Audi, which incorporates 4 other brands in it - Mercedes Benz, Volvo, BMW and Alfa Romeo. Thanks to tango5 in the previous ad post comments. [...] [...] Here’s another cheeky advertisement from Audi, which incorporates 4 other brands in it – Mercedes Benz, Volvo, BMW and Alfa Romeo. Thanks to tango5 in the previous ad post comments. [...]

]]> By: V_NoZ http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46162 V_NoZ Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:54:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46162 Dear:december A 1997 Audi A6 is better than a 325i E46 anytime?? u r comparing an A6 againt the 3series.. well. that shows how the 3 series is! cant complete with the 5 series range.sad! on what ground are u supporting this statement? pls do state clearly. TQ well i remember very clearly during the that time when audi was selling the A6 so desparatly in the 90's, the adverts were mentioning that they would buy back the car at the same price after 3 years of use?? what conjob is that? i think ur really outdated.. coz bmw won awards for quality recently and before.!Strategic Vision's Total Quality Index (TQI) rated BMW as the top in quality measurement.BMW’s Regensburg, Germany, plant earns the Silver Plant Quality Award. BMW’s Munich plant tie for the Bronze Plant Quality Award. A BMW is made to perform. Innovative engineering and technology are at the core of what makes a BMW a BMW. Every detail of a BMW is designed and crafted to elevate each moment of the driving experience to pure pleasure. BMW engineers know that anything that doesnt provide more exhilaration, more comfort, or enhance driving safety simply doesnt belong in a BMW. Through time, the BMW car has proven itself to be one of the best cars one could ever have.according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Initial Quality StudySM (IQS) released today. The study is in its 20th year.Brands with the fewest defects and malfunctions include BMW, Chrysler, Hyundai, Lexus, Porsche and Toyota. Brands with the fewest design problems include GMC, Hyundai, Jaguar, Lexus, Nissan and Porsche. so that makes Merc and Audi which are not even in the list are cars with lots of defects! why wait for 3-4 years and make silly mistakes.They took a long time to develop the TT and still it didnt perform like a sport car! u know what i mean.. had some handling problem.. so bad it had to install a spolier!with the xtra time it made a costly mistake. iam not sure with the new TT.. wait and see! i might be in KLCC to trashing those cars ! on the other hand BMW's cannot afford to make such blundders. as paul posted bmw's stringent quality testing video some time back.. this is a good testiment to the brand i call.. BMW ...THE ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!! Dear:december
A 1997 Audi A6 is better than a 325i E46 anytime?? u r comparing an A6 againt the 3series.. well. that shows how the 3 series is! cant complete with the 5 series range.sad! on what ground are u supporting this statement? pls do state clearly. TQ well i remember very clearly during the that time when audi was selling the A6 so desparatly in the 90’s, the adverts were mentioning that they would buy back the car at the same price after 3 years of use?? what conjob is that? i think ur really outdated.. coz bmw won awards for quality recently and before.!Strategic Vision’s Total Quality Index (TQI) rated BMW as the top in quality measurement.BMW’s Regensburg, Germany, plant earns the Silver Plant Quality Award. BMW’s Munich plant tie for the Bronze Plant Quality Award.
A BMW is made to perform. Innovative engineering and technology are at the core of what makes a BMW a BMW. Every detail of a BMW is designed and crafted to elevate each moment of the driving experience to pure pleasure. BMW engineers know that anything that doesnt provide more exhilaration, more comfort, or enhance driving safety simply doesnt belong in a BMW. Through time, the BMW car has proven itself to be one of the best cars one could ever have.according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Initial Quality StudySM (IQS) released today. The study is in its 20th year.Brands with the fewest defects and malfunctions include BMW, Chrysler, Hyundai, Lexus, Porsche and Toyota. Brands with the fewest design problems include GMC, Hyundai, Jaguar, Lexus, Nissan and Porsche. so that makes Merc and Audi which are not even in the list are cars with lots of defects! why wait for 3-4 years and make silly mistakes.They took a long time to develop the TT and still it didnt perform like a sport car! u know what i mean.. had some handling problem.. so bad it had to install a spolier!with the xtra time it made a costly mistake. iam not sure with the new TT.. wait and see! i might be in KLCC to trashing those cars ! on the other hand BMW’s cannot afford to make such blundders. as paul posted bmw’s stringent quality testing video some time back.. this is a good testiment to the brand i call.. BMW …THE ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!

]]> By: tango5 http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46161 tango5 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:43:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46161 Hahaha, you ppl mite wanna check this car ad, found it in YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjRHvgfr9-I ...cheeky AUDI! :) Hahaha, you ppl mite wanna check this car ad, found it in YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjRHvgfr9-I
…cheeky AUDI! :)

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46126 ingolstadt Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:37:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46126 V_Noz- 1.8 Turbo a fuel guzzler? Yours doing that ? or you dont have one but someone somehow rather somewhere talked bout it and you overheard right? If you guys are talking about luxury cars, Germany had three. If it were to be luxury marque, only Mercedes Benz fits the category. Manufacturing luxury vehicles more than 90 years. Whereas Audi's first V12 engine car is in the 30's, BMW only made their move into this category less than 30 years ago. I do love BMW for its engineering excellence. But i hate poser boys like you who pretend to know and hence like it. VCD boys, Saloon boss aunties..... these are the packs over here in Asia that dirtied BMWs image. So V_Noz, stay with your Wira Evo. Or Provo. For the time being. V_Noz- 1.8 Turbo a fuel guzzler? Yours doing that ? or you dont have one but someone somehow rather somewhere talked bout it and you overheard right?

If you guys are talking about luxury cars, Germany had three. If it were to be luxury marque, only Mercedes Benz fits the category. Manufacturing luxury vehicles more than 90 years. Whereas Audi’s first V12 engine car is in the 30’s, BMW only made their move into this category less than 30 years ago. I do love BMW for its engineering excellence. But i hate poser boys like you who pretend to know and hence like it. VCD boys, Saloon boss aunties….. these are the packs over here in Asia that dirtied BMWs image. So V_Noz, stay with your Wira Evo. Or Provo. For the time being.

]]> By: december http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46122 december Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:33:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46122 Dear Mr V_NoZ , i beg to differ, how sure can you be that the only reason (cheaper) that Audi is the best selling luxury car in the Germany? Have you compared it personally? A 1997 Audi A6 is better than a 325i E46 anytime, period. BMW's has never earned quality reputation, the hoo haa's are only in countries outside the European reign. BMW breeds like forkin rabbits, the last you ever saw Audi A6 before the current was 2001/02, why the 3-4 years gap? Precision is important, not stupid facelifts that makes your car look more like a whale day by day. But the again, choices are subjective if you ask me, you have a passion for BMW's, i would respect that, really, considering you have your points of justification. Anyway, Audi for life :P I'd seriously buy a Yeti anytime than a BMW, the ultimate poser's machine. Dear Mr V_NoZ , i beg to differ, how sure can you be that the only reason (cheaper) that Audi is the best selling luxury car in the Germany? Have you compared it personally? A 1997 Audi A6 is better than a 325i E46 anytime, period. BMW’s has never earned quality reputation, the hoo haa’s are only in countries outside the European reign.
BMW breeds like forkin rabbits, the last you ever saw Audi A6 before the current was 2001/02, why the 3-4 years gap? Precision is important, not stupid facelifts that makes your car look more like a whale day by day. But the again, choices are subjective if you ask me, you have a passion for BMW’s, i would respect that, really, considering you have your points of justification.

Anyway, Audi for life :P I’d seriously buy a Yeti anytime than a BMW, the ultimate poser’s machine.

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46120 ingolstadt Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:39:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46120 racelogic said, August 8, 2006 @ 12:18 am I am not a fan of either cars but have to admit BMW is a better car than Audi. Audi is really for ignorant ppl. Some examples of Audi’s stupidity: Audi makes 20valve engine with turbo that makes less power than some other makers 16 valve normally aspirated engine! Audi made A6 chassis out of aluminium and it weighs almost 1300kg - stupid. Audi made the TT to have upforce instead of downforce - Car wants to take off from the ground at high speed! A 2005 model Audi 1.8 20 valve turbo engine upgraded running 1.1 bar boost makes 210bhp at the engine. A Mitsubishi GSR Turbo designed and made over 10 years ago with some 150,000+kms makes some 220bhp with 0.7 bar boost! ___________________________________________________________________________ Lol you know nothing bout cars, better go Food/Flower/Fishing forums? Tell me, do you know whats the difference of engines with 140hp/6800rpm, max torque@5400rpm, another 1.8litre engine, 125hp, max torque 1600rpm-5000rpm? I'll tell you, the former is an engine tuned by marketing department, the latter is an engine tuned by engineering department. A6 chassis made of aluminium, and it weighs 1300kg. My oh my, thanks for revealing it's figures, its VERY impressive. It's lighter than a galvanised steel A4. To give you a slight idea of how light it is, it's only 3 passengers away from a Honda Integra DC2. Anyway, I'd rather discuss with enthusiasts than EXPLAIN to amateurish yodas in automotive forums or blogs. racelogic said,
August 8, 2006 @ 12:18 am

I am not a fan of either cars but have to admit BMW is a better car than Audi. Audi is really for ignorant ppl.

Some examples of Audi’s stupidity:

Audi makes 20valve engine with turbo that makes less power than some other makers 16 valve normally aspirated engine!

Audi made A6 chassis out of aluminium and it weighs almost 1300kg – stupid.

Audi made the TT to have upforce instead of downforce – Car wants to take off from the ground at high speed!

A 2005 model Audi 1.8 20 valve turbo engine upgraded running 1.1 bar boost makes 210bhp at the engine. A Mitsubishi GSR Turbo designed and made over 10 years ago with some 150,000+kms makes some 220bhp with 0.7 bar boost!
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Lol you know nothing bout cars, better go Food/Flower/Fishing forums? Tell me, do you know whats the difference of engines with 140hp/6800rpm, max torque@5400rpm, another 1.8litre engine, 125hp, max torque 1600rpm-5000rpm? I’ll tell you, the former is an engine tuned by marketing department, the latter is an engine tuned by engineering department.

A6 chassis made of aluminium, and it weighs 1300kg. My oh my, thanks for revealing it’s figures, its VERY impressive. It’s lighter than a galvanised steel A4. To give you a slight idea of how light it is, it’s only 3 passengers away from a Honda Integra DC2.

Anyway, I’d rather discuss with enthusiasts than EXPLAIN to amateurish yodas in automotive forums or blogs.

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46115 4G63T DSM Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:28:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46115 Audi has some hits and misses, but I wouldn't be too sure to write them off behind BMW or Benz this early. I remember test driving the first 1.8L Turbo Quatro A4s when they came out. The feeling was "what is this all about???". If you compare raw power alone, my mitsu makes twice the power (300 vs 150 in the Audi and just as much torque). However, they have improved a lot and the newer Audi powerplants are examples on how turbo engines can be made to respond just as good as N/A cars. As for technology transfer, the someone was be a bit ignorant to say there is no link. You wont have turbochargers if Porsche didn't make their Road cars with 'race technology turbochargers", you wont have AWD, if the Quattro Sport Rally car didn't exist, and neither the Mitsu EVO or the Scoobies would see the light of day if not for either of them. How about tyre technology? traction control? exotic materials (aluminum, carbon fiber)? High specific output engines? Variable valve timing? None will have made it to passenger cars if not for race programs. Audi has some hits and misses, but I wouldn’t be too sure to write them off behind BMW or Benz this early.

I remember test driving the first 1.8L Turbo Quatro A4s when they came out. The feeling was “what is this all about???”. If you compare raw power alone, my mitsu makes twice the power (300 vs 150 in the Audi and just as much torque).

However, they have improved a lot and the newer Audi powerplants are examples on how turbo engines can be made to respond just as good as N/A cars.

As for technology transfer, the someone was be a bit ignorant to say there is no link. You wont have turbochargers if Porsche didn’t make their Road cars with ‘race technology turbochargers”, you wont have AWD, if the Quattro Sport Rally car didn’t exist, and neither the Mitsu EVO or the Scoobies would see the light of day if not for either of them.

How about tyre technology? traction control? exotic materials (aluminum, carbon fiber)? High specific output engines? Variable valve timing?

None will have made it to passenger cars if not for race programs.

]]> By: Tracks http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46110 Tracks Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:50:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46110 All three are premium marques. If I were to rate based on what I would like to drive, it be first BMW, Mercedes then Audi. However, if it's a tuned version then RS4, M3 and AMG in similar class strictly because having four wheel drive in Malaysia works best when it rains. All three are premium marques. If I were to rate based on what I would like to drive, it be first BMW, Mercedes then Audi. However, if it’s a tuned version then RS4, M3 and AMG in similar class strictly because having four wheel drive in Malaysia works best when it rains.

]]> By: SoMeOnE http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46097 SoMeOnE Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:07:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46097 well...if i wer to give my 2 cents of opinion..these 2 brands are always behind the num1 luxury marque overall which is of course the mercedes...im NOT a mercedes fan and among the 3 ..if i had the money i would surely go for BMW because thier designs are just so much hip..this marque cater to diffrent needs and target group even if they are competitors....the mercedes is fold matured drivers who value comfort and prestige over everythin else....while the bmw is a true driver's car as the munich firm has always invested a large part of its yearly r and d into that area since the early days and the reason why they are sellin so well this past few years is becoz of the bangle factor as they were able to combine great driving quality wit the looks..i know there are fans there but the older bmw's rarely looked beter than the mercedes of those times....well..omin to da AUDI..well they certainly posses the best build quality of the 3 and its for poeple that appricaite attenton to detail in construction and an bale alternative to the other both....i would dare say this 3 are level on technology terms but thier marketin departments are just so good wit comin up wi fancy namess for basically the same thing...but i must also say bmw and mercedes is a lil ahead of audi as audi had always suffered miss management since its creation and the efects are still felt despite being run by the capable vw group these days.... well…if i wer to give my 2 cents of opinion..these 2 brands are always behind the num1 luxury marque overall which is of course the mercedes…im NOT a mercedes fan and among the 3 ..if i had the money i would surely go for BMW because thier designs are just so much hip..this marque cater to diffrent needs and target group even if they are competitors….the mercedes is fold matured drivers who value comfort and prestige over everythin else….while the bmw is a true driver’s car as the munich firm has always invested a large part of its yearly r and d into that area since the early days and the reason why they are sellin so well this past few years is becoz of the bangle factor as they were able to combine great driving quality wit the looks..i know there are fans there but the older bmw’s rarely looked beter than the mercedes of those times….well..omin to da AUDI..well they certainly posses the best build quality of the 3 and its for poeple that appricaite attenton to detail in construction and an bale alternative to the other both….i would dare say this 3 are level on technology terms but thier marketin departments are just so good wit comin up wi fancy namess for basically the same thing…but i must also say bmw and mercedes is a lil ahead of audi as audi had always suffered miss management since its creation and the efects are still felt despite being run by the capable vw group these days….

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46096 tbcheese Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:29:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46096 Oh yeah the Mk1 TT did have problems with the rear end breaking loose at high speed. That was quite a big problem. As for the horsepower ratings, Audi had the tendency to tune its engines for torque rather than power to improve drivability. Maybe you can post some toque numbers here for the Mitsu and we can compare a lil. Oh yeah the Mk1 TT did have problems with the rear end breaking loose at high speed. That was quite a big problem.

As for the horsepower ratings, Audi had the tendency to tune its engines for torque rather than power to improve drivability. Maybe you can post some toque numbers here for the Mitsu and we can compare a lil.

]]> By: tbcheese http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46095 tbcheese Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:20:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46095 BMWs are probably better driver's cars cos of the RWD factor. But I'd still consider the Audi better overall. Oh and this ignorant Audi fan says only the hood and front fenders of the A6 are made of aluminum. Now I don't know how much the A6 wieghs but if you say 1300kg I'll take your word for it. So while we're on the topic of aluminum and light-weightedness, let's consider the BMW 6 series. Built from aluminum and composite plastics it weighs in at 1690kg for the 645i. Wow... Ok so I decided to take some measures to somewhat reduce my ignorance and looked up the weight of an A6...say the 4.2 quattro? 1745kg. So I was curious about the A8 a much larger car. I looked at the 4.2 quattro too and it was 1780kg. So what's all that aluminum and plastics doing for the 645i? BMWs are probably better driver’s cars cos of the RWD factor. But I’d still consider the Audi better overall.
Oh and this ignorant Audi fan says only the hood and front fenders of the A6 are made of aluminum. Now I don’t know how much the A6 wieghs but if you say 1300kg I’ll take your word for it. So while we’re on the topic of aluminum and light-weightedness, let’s consider the BMW 6 series. Built from aluminum and composite plastics it weighs in at 1690kg for the 645i. Wow…
Ok so I decided to take some measures to somewhat reduce my ignorance and looked up the weight of an A6…say the 4.2 quattro? 1745kg. So I was curious about the A8 a much larger car. I looked at the 4.2 quattro too and it was 1780kg. So what’s all that aluminum and plastics doing for the 645i?

]]> By: racelogic http://paultan.org/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46090 racelogic Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:18:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/07/bmw-and-audi-ad-tussle/#comment-46090 I am not a fan of either cars but have to admit BMW is a better car than Audi. Audi is really for ignorant ppl. Some examples of Audi's stupidity: Audi makes 20valve engine with turbo that makes less power than some other makers 16 valve normally aspirated engine! Audi made A6 chassis out of aluminium and it weighs almost 1300kg - stupid. Audi made the TT to have upforce instead of downforce - Car wants to take off from the ground at high speed! A 2005 model Audi 1.8 20 valve turbo engine upgraded running 1.1 bar boost makes 210bhp at the engine. A Mitsubishi GSR Turbo designed and made over 10 years ago with some 150,000+kms makes some 220bhp with 0.7 bar boost! I am not a fan of either cars but have to admit BMW is a better car than Audi. Audi is really for ignorant ppl.

Some examples of Audi’s stupidity:

Audi makes 20valve engine with turbo that makes less power than some other makers 16 valve normally aspirated engine!

Audi made A6 chassis out of aluminium and it weighs almost 1300kg – stupid.

Audi made the TT to have upforce instead of downforce – Car wants to take off from the ground at high speed!

A 2005 model Audi 1.8 20 valve turbo engine upgraded running 1.1 bar boost makes 210bhp at the engine. A Mitsubishi GSR Turbo designed and made over 10 years ago with some 150,000+kms makes some 220bhp with 0.7 bar boost!

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