Comments on: LMG Tourer with Hydroxene technology http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:18:04 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nick http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221078 Nick Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:34:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221078 Shameless to be a PETRONAS country..if lesser to use petrol after replace by Hydroxene technology,Malaysia still boleh?? Shameless to be a PETRONAS country..if lesser to use petrol after replace by Hydroxene technology,Malaysia still boleh??

]]> By: Nick http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221073 Nick Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:20:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221073 we are the last to know this type of technology..malaysia boleh???? we are the last to know this type of technology..malaysia boleh????

]]> By: Nick http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221057 Nick Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:54:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221057 How many years we leave behind of high technology?haha..This is Russian technology,U.S.A,Japan then China... How many years we leave behind of high technology?haha..This is Russian technology,U.S.A,Japan then China…

]]> By: Nick http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221054 Nick Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:51:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-221054 ...... ……

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-172103 maibatsu_thunder Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:38:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-172103 We need a full test! We need a full test!

]]> By: vchoo http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-172102 vchoo Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:26:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-172102 This whole hydroxene thing is clearly dubious in nature. The local scientists claim the process of using waste aluminium and sodium hydroxide (acid) can "split water" to produce hydrogen. Look at the chemical reaction below and you'll understand why the process DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT "split water" into hydrogen. Instead, the hydrogen comes from sodium hydroxide (NaOH), not water. Water, in this case acts only as a medium of interaction. There is NO WATER MOLECULES being split whatsoever. Look below and you'll understand the basic science of how strong acids (in this case, sodium hydroxide) produce hydrogen when they come in contact with metals (like aluminium): 2Al(s) + 6NaOH(aq) → 3H2(g) + 2Na3AlO3(aq) Aluminium + Sodium Hydroxide = Hydrogen gas + Metal Complexes. In order to replenish the hydrogen, more aluminium and sodium hydroxide need to be put into the system, NOT water. Tell me, which petrol station in this country sells aluminium and sodium hydroxide to their customers??? The funny thing is that these are basic sciences that we all learn when we're in the elementary school. Why is it that we, Malaysians are still being fooled by such claim??? Also, to split water molecules into hydrogen requires energy. Where does the energy comes from?? The car battery?? If so, then the energy stored in the battery is used to split water into hydrogen which then produces energy when it is burnt. Why the long process? Might as well use your car battery directly to supply the car with electric energy through an electric hybrid motor instead. Either way, you'll get a very short battery lifespan doing this. Either way, there's no free energy in this process. This whole hydroxene thing is clearly dubious in nature.

The local scientists claim the process of using waste aluminium and sodium hydroxide (acid) can “split water” to produce hydrogen.

Look at the chemical reaction below and you’ll understand why the process DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT “split water” into hydrogen. Instead, the hydrogen comes from sodium hydroxide (NaOH), not water. Water, in this case acts only as a medium of interaction. There is NO WATER MOLECULES being split whatsoever. Look below and you’ll understand the basic science of how strong acids (in this case, sodium hydroxide) produce hydrogen when they come in contact with metals (like aluminium):

2Al(s) + 6NaOH(aq) → 3H2(g) + 2Na3AlO3(aq)

Aluminium + Sodium Hydroxide = Hydrogen gas + Metal Complexes.

In order to replenish the hydrogen, more aluminium and sodium hydroxide need to be put into the system, NOT water. Tell me, which petrol station in this country sells aluminium and sodium hydroxide to their customers???

The funny thing is that these are basic sciences that we all learn when we’re in the elementary school.
Why is it that we, Malaysians are still being fooled by such claim???

Also, to split water molecules into hydrogen requires energy. Where does the energy comes from?? The car battery?? If so, then the energy stored in the battery is used to split water into hydrogen which then produces energy when it is burnt. Why the long process? Might as well use your car battery directly to supply the car with electric energy through an electric hybrid motor instead. Either way, you’ll get a very short battery lifespan doing this. Either way, there’s no free energy in this process.

]]> By: johnandrews52 http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-167749 johnandrews52 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:40:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-167749 Can we run our car with water and gas? Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam? Can we run our car with water and gas?
Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?

]]> By: bowlingbola http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-50087 bowlingbola Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:28:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-50087 hmm. i going go get one.tourer next year and the hydroxene unit to my wira (it useless to sell but good to improvised) after analyze all the comments. but why left proton behind on this tech..may be it can boost proton market..I'm looking forward on elise proton using this kinda tech..ok. i'm going to check up this suv see your all at their showroom on 15 sept.. hmm. i going go get one.tourer next year and the hydroxene unit to my wira (it useless to sell but good to improvised) after analyze all the comments. but why left proton behind on this tech..may be it can boost proton market..I’m looking forward on elise proton using this kinda tech..ok. i’m going to check up this suv see your all at their showroom on 15 sept..

]]> By: H-Plus http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-48673 H-Plus Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:29:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-48673 Hydrogen as an environmentally alternative to fossil fuel is becoming a reality sooner than expected. Our luck with mother nature is running thin with the continous reliance on hydrocarbon fuel (about 86% world's energy at the moment) is pushing towards the point of no return. Thankfully, through internet communication, awareness is becoming difficult to "suppress". There are many ways to separate H2O and one of the most ideal way is the Sulfur-Iodine water splitting cycle (Aspen Technology - presented in Japan on the 68th annual meeting of the Society of Chemical Engineers on the 23rd March 2004). More research are being done on this method as it has been identified as the most ideal way. Currently avaliable only in laboratory process model. The common electrolysis method has been greatly refined over the years due to a great deal of home users. My own experiments have led to an arrangement that reacts very quickly and produces more than enough hydrogen/oxygen to run cars, - with a minimal amount of electricity, about 15~20amps/12v. Science text books merely gives us the principal and theories, but that doesn't mean it is the end, in fact, as I have found that every new improvements/discovery?, was merely the beginning to another stage. Hydrogen as an environmentally alternative to fossil fuel is becoming a reality sooner than expected. Our luck with mother nature is running thin with the continous reliance on hydrocarbon fuel (about 86% world’s energy at the moment) is pushing towards the point of no return. Thankfully, through internet communication, awareness is becoming difficult to “suppress”. There are many ways to separate H2O and one of the most ideal way is the Sulfur-Iodine water splitting cycle (Aspen Technology – presented in Japan on the 68th annual meeting of the Society of Chemical Engineers on the 23rd March 2004). More research are being done on this method as it has been identified as the most ideal way. Currently avaliable only in laboratory process model. The common electrolysis method has been greatly refined over the years due to a great deal of home users. My own experiments have led to an arrangement that reacts very quickly and produces more than enough hydrogen/oxygen to run cars, – with a minimal amount of electricity, about 15~20amps/12v. Science text books merely gives us the principal and theories, but that doesn’t mean it is the end, in fact, as I have found that every new improvements/discovery?, was merely the beginning to another stage.

]]> By: philipngcc http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-48343 philipngcc Sat, 26 Aug 2006 06:53:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-48343 Hydrogexe definitely a good technology. I can see it is only a temporary solution. As sooner or later earth petroluem oil will be depleted. A solution to run a vehicle purely on hydrogen which is available abundance from water is needed or any other alternative fuel. Hydrogexe definitely a good technology. I can see it is only a temporary solution. As sooner or later earth petroluem oil will be depleted.

A solution to run a vehicle purely on hydrogen which is available abundance from water is needed or any other alternative fuel.

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47851 osh_kosh Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:34:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47851 mr topgunthang, 1)"just refer to all the essays you wrote in primary and secondary school." --> what did u mean? 2)"after writing countless essays in schools for so many years talking big about the big government projects….just about all have been proven a failure. i should have got 0% for all those essays." -->can i have a look on a few of it? i'm interested..for my references.. maybe its will change my point of view... :) if u kind enough plz mail it to me--> babelfrog@hotmail.com mr topgunthang,
1)”just refer to all the essays you wrote in primary and secondary school.”
–> what did u mean?
2)”after writing countless essays in schools for so many years talking big about the big government projects….just about all have been proven a failure. i should have got 0% for all those essays.” –>can i have a look on a few of it? i’m interested..for my references.. maybe its will change my point of view… :) if u kind enough plz mail it to me–> babelfrog@hotmail.com

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47797 topgunthang Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:17:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47797 just refer to all the essays you wrote in primary and secondary school. 5-10 years ago. see what the gman was preaching then and what actually happen to these projects. just refer to all the essays you wrote in primary and secondary school. 5-10 years ago. see what the gman was preaching then and what actually happen to these projects.

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47734 osh_kosh Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:38:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47734 yeaori, "Oh yes, and OshKosh… Solar Power research is starting to become outdated. If global warming will truly go into full swing, climate change will occur.. and since there is haze now, sunlight comes rarely." please be informed that my statement about this solar car research is an example of what 'waste of the g'ment money" project that in know (plz forgive me with my limited knowledge).. it was then way back when i was in univ..come to think about it, i don't really know what happen now.. maybe u can ask mr topgunthang coz he seem to know almost all of the project by g'ment which he proudly claim a failure.. by the way i'm interested to know more about this--> "coz almost all the g’man project that i track when they implement it fail with time especially the big ones." yeaori,
“Oh yes, and OshKosh… Solar Power research is starting to become outdated. If global warming will truly go into full swing, climate change will occur.. and since there is haze now, sunlight comes rarely.”
please be informed that my statement about this solar car research is an example of what ‘waste of the g’ment money” project that in know (plz forgive me with my limited knowledge).. it was then way back when i was in univ..come to think about it, i don’t really know what happen now.. maybe u can ask mr topgunthang coz he seem to know almost all of the project by g’ment which he proudly claim a failure.. by the way i’m interested to know more about this–> “coz almost all the g’man project that i track when they implement it fail with time especially the big ones.”

]]> By: burp http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47718 burp Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:32:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47718 furthermore.. look at the cosmetic change, not bad loh furthermore.. look at the cosmetic change, not bad loh

]]> By: burp http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47709 burp Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:57:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47709 why so much noisy lorrr? just wait and see laaa.. instead, the price is worthy with the new technology and 52% of the vehicle parts are made by local. Can see the different between original car in dadi website and the launched car in Malaysia why so much noisy lorrr? just wait and see laaa.. instead, the price is worthy with the new technology and 52% of the vehicle parts are made by local. Can see the different between original car in dadi website and the launched car in Malaysia

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47648 topgunthang Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:40:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47648 of course when u are being absolute in making a comment your're gonna be wrong. instead of saying 9 out of 10 i just make it about all. coz almost all the g'man project that i track when they implement it fail with time especially the big ones. they all start with a 'wow' factor, after thath they dont follow through with the promises. and to shut citizens from complaining they just start another mega project. of course there are definitely some that do succeed. im not about to sit around and monitor all the governments projects. nobody is going to. one thing im quite sure about is all government projects are only instruments aimed to benefit the middle man who has connections who has just about zero contributions/effort. as for who that guy is most of us can guess pretty well. btw....this comment ''that’s just too childish.. real life is not a fairy tales that always have a happy ending…'' is more suited for proton. hehe. and that hydroxene technology. thats just my guess. there's numerous reports on the news from US and germany regarding similar products and the big manufacturers are looking to these companies to buy it over for the tech. and further improve it before releasing it. this seems more like a concept that everybody knows about rather than a pioneering technology...they just dont feel the need to shout about it when they know alot of people already know about it. just makes you look and sound silly. but being countries like china where information to public is controlled or ignorance is bountiful, they can say what they want and look like heroes. hydroxene is problably just a side branch of a parent structure that anybody can modify to any structure with similar properties. or be it some method to store hydrogen and utilize the heat produced. but the basic concept seems the same. to see who can implement it better we'll have to wait. the results should be out sooner than later. lets hope that USM scientist knows what he's doing. of course when u are being absolute in making a comment your’re gonna be wrong. instead of saying 9 out of 10 i just make it about all. coz almost all the g’man project that i track when they implement it fail with time especially the big ones. they all start with a ‘wow’ factor, after thath they dont follow through with the promises. and to shut citizens from complaining they just start another mega project. of course there are definitely some that do succeed. im not about to sit around and monitor all the governments projects. nobody is going to. one thing im quite sure about is all government projects are only instruments aimed to benefit the middle man who has connections who has just about zero contributions/effort. as for who that guy is most of us can guess pretty well.

btw….this comment ”that’s just too childish.. real life is not a fairy tales that always have a happy ending…” is more suited for proton. hehe. and that hydroxene technology. thats just my guess. there’s numerous reports on the news from US and germany regarding similar products and the big manufacturers are looking to these companies to buy it over for the tech. and further improve it before releasing it. this seems more like a concept that everybody knows about rather than a pioneering technology…they just dont feel the need to shout about it when they know alot of people already know about it. just makes you look and sound silly. but being countries like china where information to public is controlled or ignorance is bountiful, they can say what they want and look like heroes.

hydroxene is problably just a side branch of a parent structure that anybody can modify to any structure with similar properties. or be it some method to store hydrogen and utilize the heat produced. but the basic concept seems the same. to see who can implement it better we’ll have to wait. the results should be out sooner than later. lets hope that USM scientist knows what he’s doing.

]]> By: yeaori http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47636 yeaori Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:20:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47636 As a student, even though i may not be experienced in cars, I do realise that hydrogen is very volatile. Hydrogen fuel cells operate differently, using electronics, but actually using hydrogen gas.... one rupture in the fuel line, a single spark and the whole thing will go up, especially since there's oxygen available. It's supposed to be an 'additional power source'. If it was really effective, they could just run a car on it alone. When fuel combusts, it produces water vapour. Why not use that as your water source? Everytime it combusts, the water will be replenished. Oh yes, and OshKosh... Solar Power research is starting to become outdated. If global warming will truly go into full swing, climate change will occur.. and since there is haze now, sunlight comes rarely. As a student, even though i may not be experienced in cars, I do realise that hydrogen is very volatile. Hydrogen fuel cells operate differently, using electronics, but actually using hydrogen gas…. one rupture in the fuel line, a single spark and the whole thing will go up, especially since there’s oxygen available.

It’s supposed to be an ‘additional power source’. If it was really effective, they could just run a car on it alone.

When fuel combusts, it produces water vapour. Why not use that as your water source? Everytime it combusts, the water will be replenished.

Oh yes, and OshKosh… Solar Power research is starting to become outdated. If global warming will truly go into full swing, climate change will occur.. and since there is haze now, sunlight comes rarely.

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47620 osh_kosh Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:05:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47620 hmm.. it's easy to critics others people works.. but to be fair, first...give them time to prove they're right or wrong... of coz some of them will make mistake coz they're not GOD.. just think if someone judge you without give u a chance to prove you r right or wrong.. some people tend to do that to others.. it's just immature... meanwhile when ask about their contribution to others they just smile and smile and smile... why not doing something about it rather than just complain & complain & complain.. bila nak maju? just to clear things up.. i'm not related to LMG or usm or governtment officers.. nothing personal..just my opinion :) hmm.. it’s easy to critics others people works.. but to be fair, first…give them time to prove they’re right or wrong… of coz some of them will make mistake coz they’re not GOD.. just think if someone judge you without give u a chance to prove you r right or wrong.. some people tend to do that to others.. it’s just immature… meanwhile when ask about their contribution to others they just smile and smile and smile… why not doing something about it rather than just complain & complain & complain.. bila nak maju? just to clear things up.. i’m not related to LMG or usm or governtment officers.. nothing personal..just my opinion :)

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47615 osh_kosh Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:18:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47615 mr topgunthang, of coz the sauber team have their own wind tunnel... but its just an example of this so called 'waste of the government money' wind tunnel still good enough for them to use.. and its not in usm... so maybe in your point of view all government project is a waste of money but that's your right.. i can say no more.. but for me if 6 out of 10 governtment projects is a failure i do not dare to say ALL governtment project is a waste of money.. that's just too childish.. real life is not a fairy tales that always have a happy ending... :) mr topgunthang,
of coz the sauber team have their own wind tunnel… but its just an example of this so called ‘waste of the government money’ wind tunnel still good enough for them to use.. and its not in usm… so maybe in your point of view all government project is a waste of money but that’s your right.. i can say no more.. but for me if 6 out of 10 governtment projects is a failure i do not dare to say ALL governtment project is a waste of money.. that’s just too childish.. real life is not a fairy tales that always have a happy ending… :)

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47542 topgunthang Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:18:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47542 philippecr, sorry. i knew the name had changed and petronas got dumped. but just wanted to make an example coz someone said sauber used the tunnel or something. philippecr,

sorry. i knew the name had changed and petronas got dumped. but just wanted to make an example coz someone said sauber used the tunnel or something.

]]> By: philippecr http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47467 philippecr Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:18:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47467 er.... giv u some corrections. Petronas is not on the name anymore. now is BMW Sauber. ^^ if the statement "effective" reduction in fuel consumption of up to 50% prove to be true. It's revolutionary. and MALAYSIA BOLEH! Proud to live in the Bolehland. Apa pun boleh! XD er…. giv u some corrections. Petronas is not on the name anymore. now is BMW Sauber. ^^

if the statement “effective” reduction in fuel consumption of up to 50% prove to be true. It’s revolutionary. and MALAYSIA BOLEH! Proud to live in the Bolehland. Apa pun boleh! XD

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47356 topgunthang Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:35:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47356 osh_kosh, its not my statement but as a long time formula 1 team and race car designer, im sure they (sauber/ and petronas-money sponsor) have thier own state of the art wind tunnel or thier favourite wind tunnel to use. and its problably not gonna be the one in usm. after writing countless essays in schools for so many years talking big about the big government projects....just about all have been proven a failure. i should have got 0% for all those essays. we should have focused our attention to more important issues during those times....like learning Excel skills and analysis rather than writing and talking and praising mumbo jumbo about IT, MSC and all sorts of other stuff. osh_kosh,

its not my statement but as a long time formula 1 team and race car designer, im sure they (sauber/ and petronas-money sponsor) have thier own state of the art wind tunnel or thier favourite wind tunnel to use. and its problably not gonna be the one in usm.

after writing countless essays in schools for so many years talking big about the big government projects….just about all have been proven a failure. i should have got 0% for all those essays. we should have focused our attention to more important issues during those times….like learning Excel skills and analysis rather than writing and talking and praising mumbo jumbo about IT, MSC and all sorts of other stuff.

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47337 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:28:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47337 paul... any news or new information about this hydroxene stuff? paul…
any news or new information about this hydroxene stuff?

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47321 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:42:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47321 haha don't be mad man... haha don’t be mad man…

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47319 MyBoy Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:18:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47319 osh_kosh, Shut the F**k up and stay on topic. :D osh_kosh,

Shut the F**k up and stay on topic. :D

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47310 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:28:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47310 yo my boy.. i just can't agreed with people who seem to 'round up' all the things together and make their judgement without looking at the whole pictures.. nothing personal man yo my boy.. i just can’t agreed with people who seem to ’round up’ all the things together and make their judgement without looking at the whole pictures.. nothing personal man

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47309 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:24:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47309 oh sorry... that statement came from kt71 is it?? whatever.. :) oh sorry… that statement came from kt71 is it?? whatever.. :)

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47308 MyBoy Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:23:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47308 osh_kosh, good question mate. osh_kosh, good question mate.

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47307 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:04:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47307 Mr topgunthang, Do you think solar car reseach at our local a waste of our government money? or do you have any idea about wind tunnel in our local universiti existance & that F1 sauber petronas team have use it a couple of time? u mean this also a waste or government money and its for nothing? please give me advise if you know more information.. sorry because my knowledge is limited.. "saya budak mahu belajar, kalau salah tolong tunjukkan".. its nothing personal.. Mr topgunthang,
Do you think solar car reseach at our local a waste of our government money? or do you have any idea about wind tunnel in our local universiti existance & that F1 sauber petronas team have use it a couple of time? u mean this also a waste or government money and its for nothing? please give me advise if you know more information.. sorry because my knowledge is limited.. “saya budak mahu belajar, kalau salah tolong tunjukkan”.. its nothing personal..

]]> By: osh_kosh http://paultan.org/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47306 osh_kosh Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:50:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/15/lmg-tourer-with-hydroxene-technology/#comment-47306 Mr topgunthang, "First of all, the USM project is a typical local universiti project = waste of money and resources trying to get attention from ignorance people. We have seen this too much already. Form 5 science projects with goverment grant. That’s one of the reason why our country got nothing to do with technology." hmm... that's a very interesting statement... can you prove that? i'll like to know more... Mr topgunthang,

“First of all, the USM project is a typical local universiti project = waste of money and resources trying to get attention from ignorance people. We have seen this too much already. Form 5 science projects with goverment grant. That’s one of the reason why our country got nothing to do with technology.”

hmm… that’s a very interesting statement… can you prove that? i’ll like to know more…

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