Comments on: BMW 335i has 350hp instead of 302hp? http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:59:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BMW 335i Convertible Test Drive Report http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-63553 BMW 335i Convertible Test Drive Report Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:24:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-63553 [...] muscle on the road now. The quoted 302hp and 400Nm (although there has been suggestions that it is in fact much more ‘thrust’worthy an engine) propels the car to the edge of its handling [...] [...] muscle on the road now. The quoted 302hp and 400Nm (although there has been suggestions that it is in fact much more ‘thrust’worthy an engine) propels the car to the edge of its handling [...]

]]> By: BMW 335xi in March 2007 http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-55778 BMW 335xi in March 2007 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:19:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-55778 [...] The E90 335xi will boast the same 3.0 liter twin turbocharged inline-6 cylinder engine putting out 302hp and 400Nm of torque (sometimes even higher!) introduced with the E92 3 Coupe, with all that massive torque punishing the ground through all four wheels. [...] [...] The E90 335xi will boast the same 3.0 liter twin turbocharged inline-6 cylinder engine putting out 302hp and 400Nm of torque (sometimes even higher!) introduced with the E92 3 Coupe, with all that massive torque punishing the ground through all four wheels. [...]

]]> By: KingKong http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47517 KingKong Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:56:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47517 "but its not an everyday car" completely wrong! u should ask those EvoIX owner. "but its not an everyday car"

completely wrong! u should ask those EvoIX owner.

]]> By: E90 BMW M3 Possible Specifications http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47452 E90 BMW M3 Possible Specifications Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:42:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47452 [...] 307 kilowatts of power would be approximately 412 horsepower. The engine has a peak torque of 420Nm. That’s only 20Nm of torque higher than the BMW 335i’s figures! Looking at the high horsepower to displacement ratio and the relatively lower torque figures as compared to the horsepower, this is likely a normally aspirated engine that makes its high power from sky high revving like it’s older brother the 5.0 V10. [...] [...] 307 kilowatts of power would be approximately 412 horsepower. The engine has a peak torque of 420Nm. That’s only 20Nm of torque higher than the BMW 335i’s figures! Looking at the high horsepower to displacement ratio and the relatively lower torque figures as compared to the horsepower, this is likely a normally aspirated engine that makes its high power from sky high revving like it’s older brother the 5.0 V10. [...]

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47413 topgunthang Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:41:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47413 evo 9 is a great car for its price. but its not an everyday car. i think they will change that in the evo 10. but from your list the best would be the f430 and gallardo spyder. even if you're filthy rich, there is no need to go beyond these entry level supercars. evo 9 is a great car for its price. but its not an everyday car. i think they will change that in the evo 10. but from your list the best would be the f430 and gallardo spyder. even if you're filthy rich, there is no need to go beyond these entry level supercars.

]]> By: mitlanevo http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47382 mitlanevo Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:07:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47382 350bhp sounds great, but if speaking about BMW, i prefer the 5-series "hawk-eye", M6, 645Ci and 7-series (both 730Li & 760Li). But if really into a great car, i would go for either Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX, Lamborghini Gallardo, Ferrari F430, Porsche Cayenne or Mercedes-Benz CLS350. But anyway, Evo IX is in my top-list, at least not so expensive compared to others that I mentioned above. 350bhp sounds great, but if speaking about BMW, i prefer the 5-series "hawk-eye", M6, 645Ci and 7-series (both 730Li & 760Li). But if really into a great car, i would go for either Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX, Lamborghini Gallardo, Ferrari F430, Porsche Cayenne or Mercedes-Benz CLS350. But anyway, Evo IX is in my top-list, at least not so expensive compared to others that I mentioned above.

]]> By: KingKong http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47381 KingKong Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:02:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47381 just like 530i & 525i.. the 525i just a turn down version of 530i with less 40bhp even both 3 litres engine. glad that 335i now with 350bhp.. 302bhp too little for me.. just like 530i & 525i..

the 525i just a turn down version of 530i with less 40bhp even both 3 litres engine.

glad that 335i now with 350bhp.. 302bhp too little for me..

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47368 topgunthang Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:28:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47368 wats that thing going on with toyota ipsum2.0? google the thing. this bmw coupe is one beautiful machine. at least now can compete in terms of looks with the lexus IS. you got to see the lexus live especially when it drives past you. very nice lines and muscular. wats that thing going on with toyota ipsum2.0? google the thing.

this bmw coupe is one beautiful machine. at least now can compete in terms of looks with the lexus IS. you got to see the lexus live especially when it drives past you. very nice lines and muscular.

]]> By: bobdbilder http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47331 bobdbilder Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:32:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47331 There is another possibility. Engine ratings and test that you get officially in typical German Engineering is based either on average test in various conditions (humidity/temperature) or on a worst case basis, sampling taken from a few testbenches. I wouldn't be surprised if these published figures were of worst case basis because of American legal issues. North America is a big market which they really need to capitalise. There is another possibility. Engine ratings and test that you get officially in typical German Engineering is based either on average test in various conditions (humidity/temperature) or on a worst case basis, sampling taken from a few testbenches. I wouldn't be surprised if these published figures were of worst case basis because of American legal issues. North America is a big market which they really need to capitalise.

]]> By: Wai http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47315 Wai Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:56:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47315 What DSM said is kinda logic once u think of it....prevent canabilise of internal sales due to power and price difference between their car lineup oh well underquoting is good as well...u definitely know it will produce that kinda power at the very least..if ur lucky u get alot more haha What DSM said is kinda logic once u think of it….prevent canabilise of internal sales due to power and price difference between their car lineup

oh well underquoting is good as well…u definitely know it will produce that kinda power at the very least..if ur lucky u get alot more haha

]]> By: eric http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47304 eric Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:44:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47304 but could there be differences in the types of dyno used? i mean, i've heard of some dynos being more ermm.. stingy in giving the right output of power.. such as the case in the US, where the mustang dyno (no relation to the car) is regarded as being more stringent and therefore most of the time giving a reading of a lower hp rating compared to other dynos.. is that true? but could there be differences in the types of dyno used?

i mean, i've heard of some dynos being more ermm.. stingy in giving the right output of power.. such as the case in the US, where the mustang dyno (no relation to the car) is regarded as being more stringent and therefore most of the time giving a reading of a lower hp rating compared to other dynos..

is that true?

]]> By: jonkk http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47287 jonkk Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:02:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47287 Hi all. Anyone has any comment or review on Toyota Ipsum 2.0? Hi all. Anyone has any comment or review on Toyota Ipsum 2.0?

]]> By: assimo http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47286 assimo Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:01:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47286 I think one of thier marketing strategy...4G63T DSM,is for production model i guess..nice! I think one of thier marketing strategy…4G63T DSM,is for production model i guess..nice!

]]> By: rexis http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47273 rexis Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:19:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47273 But this is just assume that what the dyno meter received is about 20% less from the crank shaft, due to friction loss on the gear box, wheels, etc. But what if just that BMW 335i has made an efficient transmission that little energy were loss? Anyhow, it is very very impressive. But this is just assume that what the dyno meter received is about 20% less from the crank shaft, due to friction loss on the gear box, wheels, etc. But what if just that BMW 335i has made an efficient transmission that little energy were loss?

Anyhow, it is very very impressive.

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47268 4G63T DSM Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:32:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47268 Is this tested on a press car or production model? However, with experience in turbocharged cars, ambient temperature does have a lot to play with your power. On my Mitsu turbo 2.0L@18psi boost, I can get as much as 20% more power on a cool fall evening (ie. 10 degrees C) vs, a hot summer afternoon (28 degrees), which can equate to 40-50hp. My car can make anywhere from 250 to slightly over 300hp@crank just depending on ambient temperature. BWM might just have quoted the lower figure. Impressive figure regardless, especially max torque at only 2000rpm. It just shows that once you force feed something, you get hugh lumps of torque. However, if you look at the dyno chart carefully, you can see that it doen't really make that much power, especially given this is a modern turbocharged engine. BMW, could get another 20-40% more power fairly easily. I believe the main reason to underqoute is not to canabilise internal sales. If your regular 335 gets 350+hp, would you pay double that to get a 400hp M3? Is this tested on a press car or production model?

However, with experience in turbocharged cars, ambient temperature does have a lot to play with your power. On my Mitsu turbo 2.0L@18psi boost, I can get as much as 20% more power on a cool fall evening (ie. 10 degrees C) vs, a hot summer afternoon (28 degrees), which can equate to 40-50hp. My car can make anywhere from 250 to slightly over 300hp@crank just depending on ambient temperature.

BWM might just have quoted the lower figure.

Impressive figure regardless, especially max torque at only 2000rpm. It just shows that once you force feed something, you get hugh lumps of torque.

However, if you look at the dyno chart carefully, you can see that it doen't really make that much power, especially given this is a modern turbocharged engine. BMW, could get another 20-40% more power fairly easily.

I believe the main reason to underqoute is not to canabilise internal sales. If your regular 335 gets 350+hp, would you pay double that to get a 400hp M3?

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47265 maibatsu_thunder Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:10:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47265 Cats out of the bag - media car had a specially massaged engine I bet!! Cats out of the bag – media car had a specially massaged engine I bet!!

]]> By: SatriaGuy http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47264 SatriaGuy Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:56:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47264 Manufacturers are always 'under quoting' figures for power because it's always better to be conservative officially. But there are practical reasons why a manufacturer doesn't make their cars over-powerful like having ridiculous power rating like 1000Nm or something like that. They have to think responsibly and make the power accessible and useable, with the kind of reliability a production car should have. Automobile is an American magazine and the American-specced BMW could be different than that of Europe. I think the results is exaggerated and should be checked out by BMW themselves Manufacturers are always 'under quoting' figures for power because it's always better to be conservative officially. But there are practical reasons why a manufacturer doesn't make their cars over-powerful like having ridiculous power rating like 1000Nm or something like that.

They have to think responsibly and make the power accessible and useable, with the kind of reliability a production car should have.

Automobile is an American magazine and the American-specced BMW could be different than that of Europe. I think the results is exaggerated and should be checked out by BMW themselves

]]> By: armandd http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47236 armandd Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:23:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47236 the question is.. how reliable was the test done by Automobile Mag? the question is.. how reliable was the test done by Automobile Mag?

]]> By: layman http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47235 layman Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:20:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47235 UNDER PROMISE OVER DELIVER, this is what the leader should do. UNDER PROMISE OVER DELIVER, this is what the leader should do.

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47225 szw Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:07:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47225 nicest ! nicest !

]]> By: e-nabilll http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47218 e-nabilll Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:42:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47218 or izzit like the evo...puposely under state their power figures due to european and japanese regulations on engine capacity power limit...everybody who drove evo 7 n above..clearly knows that the claimed power of 272 bhp is a complete bull ! it feels more like 300! but this kind of cheating..i like! or izzit like the evo…puposely under state their power figures due to european and japanese regulations on engine capacity power limit…everybody who drove evo 7 n above..clearly knows that the claimed power of 272 bhp is a complete bull ! it feels more like 300! but this kind of cheating..i like!

]]> By: Paul Tan http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47213 Paul Tan Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:29:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47213 the 335i is a 3.0 twin turbo the 335i is a 3.0 twin turbo

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47211 topgunthang Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:26:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/08/17/bmw-335i-has-350hp-instead-of-302hp/#comment-47211 350hp and 480nm at the cranks sounds more in line with a 3.5 litre 6cylinder turbo or is it 3 litres? if compare with all the newer turbo engines that came out recently. that is very nice...esp on a bmw. wish everybody underquoted thier engine power. 350hp and 480nm at the cranks sounds more in line with a 3.5 litre 6cylinder turbo or is it 3 litres? if compare with all the newer turbo engines that came out recently.

that is very nice…esp on a bmw. wish everybody underquoted thier engine power.

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