open your own blog joe….

August 21, 2006 @ 3:58 pm

catchcart – Thanks and noted your comment.

Also thank Paul for me to put out somethng not relevant to topic! But Paul at his absolute discretion to edit any comment as it deem fit from his point of view!

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Joe,

Please spare some thoughts for Paul. This poor soul spares his free time to constantly update this wonderful blog of his.

It's unfair to actually want Paul to clean up your jabberings like, everyday?

You are still lucky can own Honda motorcycle, if "Putra" exist today, you may can afford bicycle, or left with your 2 foot to walk only. I also want to “pray-pray” very hard that your country do not make “national motorcycle” like us. Most of engine and its component source from China/Taiwan, price comparable to Honda but the second hand value is “NO VALUE” – no body want “just like 70 year old man no power needs Viagra”. Last time I owned Honda EX 5 as well, purchased it at around RM 3,300 and 4 year later still have secondhand value of RM 2,300 (approx. 70%)!

As you mentioned that I frustrated coz my income bracket still couldn’t let me drive something more expensive… is totally not true at all. I admitted that I can’t afford Mercs or BMW but my income bracket still can afford to buy mid sedan car like Toyota Camry 2.0L or Honda Accord 2.0L price at around RM 130 ++. I am not trying to show off but the only thing I hold back my decision is because I don’t want to pay that crappy NAP suck tax! That why last time I challenged Matthew Seleigh but he dare not to take up this challenge to pay the suck NAP tax for me, then I can any time booking this kind of car! He, he, he, ………. To make this kind of “patriotic tax” contribution, I better donate it to your countrymen that suffering from Tsunami effect, rather than make my country crocs become bigger and fatter!

I always proud to be Malaysian and patriotic all the time by become concern tax payer and contribute to nation building. My country independent day just around the corner, I never fail to celebrate it every year even during my time at oversea.

P1 is the real culprit that always asking for handout from G and protection from rakyat. Never shame at all that as “national icon”, P1 should protect the rakyat interest since getting so much tax payer money allocation and rakyat support for the last 2 decade! Please remember, do not associate “WHITE ELEPHANT” project with patriotism. If this “white elephant” is in Korea, the CEO and board member most likely already throw into the jail lol, ……. Malaysia is very lucky, that guy still can talk loud!

Under what condition you said that the Campro FC is 6.1 L/km? I don't dispute it can achieve this figure, but on practical side, FC may affected by the following factor(s): -

1. Drive in city road or highway or go up Genting/Bukit Tinggi.

2. Fit in what model of cars? Currently Waja, Neo and Gen-2 fitted with this engine and their different weight have bearing on FC.

3. I believed 1.3L and 1.6L also have different FC eventhough the different might be small.

all campro's fuel consumption is 6.1L/km.

what..other make low fuel consumption meh?same la..if u'r driving above 2000cc car,dun expect the fuel consumption is below 6.1L/km…

think la..aiyo…

August 21, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

My current Wira A/B face a problem with the so famous ‘window problem’ after four years of usage. And it come with special melody from the dashboard…now I wish to buy new Waja Campro. Hope proton can offer a higher trade-in for their own products.

dont buy please…you will face the same power window problem…Campro engine very high fuel consumption…the interest rate of Proton is very high compare to other makes…if you want value for your money and comfort of a new car…just go for other makes…delete Proton from your list…

p/s once you agreed to purchase a Proton they will give you the old model…onced you have signed the documents..for sure please dont be a victim.

Also thank Paul for me to put out somethng not relevant to topic! But Paul at his absolute discretion to edit any comment as it deem fit from his point of view!

please back to the topic.

we already know so much about proton, all the bad and good about it. We know so much about NAP and tax structure.

Proton is not just to build car, it how Malaysia can develop it's own capability to industrialized the country from acquiring technology, research and development, manufacturing, marketing and servicing. It is hard to build this industrial chain in 20 years where we are nothing before this. Before Proton, we just buy a foreign car, from Europe to Japan. We gave value to european and japanese people and our money flew to foreign country where this money can be used to build our own country.

Joe Ooi,

Do you know that, with our knowledge, even we have the best scientist and engineer, we still cannot afford to build a plastic cup or a pencil? For all these years, we depends so much on foreign investments, the only thing we have is Petronas and Proton. Telekom didn't help so much on industrialising our country because they just buy equipment from foreign companies like ericsson and motorola.

I know you're mad ad Proton, me too. Many people mad at Proton. This is Paultan blog, when he start a new topic, please stay on topic OK. I've been following this blog nearly 1 and a half year. Most of your comment is just a repeating comment from past topic. If you think you have the right to write, please ask Paultan personally. OK

Cheers

It not all about bitching or bad mouthing Proton! Proton has lots of potential locally and internationally. But as consumers, we have the right of say and as a huge company, please listen to your customers' point of view. We are giving you direct feedback with regards to your products and services. You don't need an expat consultant to come in and give you these feedback.

People will not be critising Proton, if Proton at least shows the people that they are trying. Here, Proton doesn't even try and yet don't want to listen to their direct customers!

Volvo had this same mentallity some decades ago (from the days when they were producing square metal boxes) until they started listening to their customers and suppliers. Look what rolls out from their plants…. award winning cars! Today, makers like Hyundai and Kia are on that track too. And everyone can see the improvements with them.

What my contribution to my own country? Just give you direction BUT…. you have to take action(s) at your own cost and expenses since you like to know. You can go to Income Tax Department to check my tax contribution (subject to consent from them, not me). You also can check at P1 office how much extra tax under NAP paid by me in purchased 2 new cars from P1 lol.. (also subject to P1 consent, not me).

"condem your national car??"'…..why you a really angry". So you are non-English speaking just like me? This is your wildest accusatiion against me WITHOUT FIRST LET ME TO MAKE CLARIFICATION?

You have malicious intention by used "condemn and angry". Let me clarify that I am just give constructive "criticism and unhappy" customer, and also concern tax payer citizen. So if you don't understand and/or can't differentiate on all these wordings, then below is Oxford Advance Learner's Dictionary website to check the meaning: -

http://www.oup.com/elt/select?url=/eltnew/catalog…

Cannot be lazy to learn the meaning of these words ah …….

Yes what you said is obvious that there are many guys out there vent their anger at P1. This for me is totally agreed with you, but what I want to say is the reasoning put forward by you is not valid! The above post is well illustrated. Sorry to say that I post any comment not to show I am "smart" and also not try to potray other "dumb", but just to share correct info and good reasoning!

But anyway thanks for your offer on your Satria Neo ride, I have a friend who own one.

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Matthew Seleigh said,

"Based solely on his writing here at Paul’s Place, it’s glaringly obvious that Joe’s too twisted and bitter to enjoy anything".

"Hopefully this is merely a digital persona he wears here for our amusement".

See how good you are in projected your self as "saint" by paint a misrepresentation on other. You mentioned that I am "too twisted and bitter to enjoy anything". Give me an example(s) of my post to justify the above statement? Failing which, I consider your post just another moronic yet malicious wild accusation design to inflict irreparable damage and part of your greater dubious intention to launch "character assasination" toward me.

Your further baseless accusation mentioned that "…… merely a digital personna he wears here for our amusement". what "amusement" you talking about? You think I am "Mr Bin" or "David Copperfield" put up greatest show on earth for entertainment? And remembered, you still "owed me an explanation in previous post".

As I said before, I am just a layman earning a decent living. Anything or other wild accusation that describe about me other than my clarification as what you said is tantamount to defamation and your obnoxious intention to "seek pleasure out of other suffering"!

Whatever you say here is reflected you. Look at one of the "good example" posted by you recently to prove my point: -

'Matthew Seleigh said,

August 16, 2006 @ 2:31 pm

At the risk of sounding a bit cynical, what a great way to draw attention to a vehicle that wouldn’t make a blip on most people’s radar. There’s been massive promotional value to this. In fact, I’ll stick my neck out and say that is the only value it is likely to provide.

But as a practical method of reducing fuel consumption by 50 percent? Not unless we see a parlimentary bill to change the laws of physics, if then."

1. How do you know LMG car do not attract "significant" attention, what statistical evident in your possesion to back up your claim? You want to "stick out your neck" without basis? "Think twice"!

2. The worst now is here, what you means by "parlimentary bill to change the laws of physics, …"? Do you know what type of laws pass by Malaysian parliament? I know for 100% that it never pass any "laws of physics". What you want to try to potray, you are "Albert Einstein"? E = MCC?, so MCC = "Mong Cha Cha"?

Sorry to Paul Tan out of topic again. Anyway back to topic, the Satira Neo or P1 car sales figure compare on month-to-month is not a good indication of the sales performance! And it is not indicate at all the increase in annual sales volume unless it has "apple-to-apple" comparison by compare to corresponding month in previous year as normally "practice" in auto circle!

p/s if it so good why there is delay for the launching?

p/s2 in future there will be more fatality on road because of the excellent design for neo.

p/s3 Proton a car that have no respect but still coat a bomb.

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wow…

whats your contribution to your own country??condem your national car??

come on joe oii…proton just 20 years in industry..if im not mistaken only from year 2000 proton launched their official malaysian car which is waja…wira is mitshubshi…now with only 6 years from waja,proton already have satria neo,savvy,which i think is a good car…i already test drive it…quite good..not 100 % good…yeah proton still young compare with others…but its show malaysia boleh..malaysia now really advanced,can make their own engine,own car compare than others in asean….

why you a really angry…I also think you just frustrated coz your income bracket still couldn’t let you drive something more expensive…dont anggry my friend…work hard..collect more money….your petrol price is reallly damn cheap…in my country,no sense own a honda car,but use honda motorcyle becos the petrol price really expensive…our salary also not high like you…

if i am malaysia,i will be like korean people,really proud with their product….you will celeberating independent days…be proud to be malaysian…ask yourself whats your contribution to YOUR country….can u make car ??can you design car??

Kevin Le….HAPPY MERDEKA DAY…

August 20, 2006 @ 2:46 pm

Yeah. I bet all those guys are just frustrated coz their income bracket still couldn’t let them drive something more expensive, so they vent out on Proton

no..I'm driving a good car..but I just pity PROTON driver have to open their doors everytime they want to pay toll or collect parking tickets. and I'm always to explain politely to foreigners(if they with me) who just once thought that "msian are just too polite to open their door when paying tolls at the booth" hahahah what a myth.

and one more think I just dont like to see the fake smile on Proton drivers… you wont be happy if your car "rosak" before you drive out the showroom after you collected the car with 9 years installments 4.1%PA.]

and about the challenge to "BUKIT tINGGI" the NEO SHOULD BE CLIMBING ONE WEEK EARLIER THAN OTHER MAKES….so we will start racing at the same day, y'know if the Neo can make to climb first…

Hopefully this is merely a digital persona he wears here for our amusement.

Be minded though that's just a 3 to 4 yr old car. What more to say after paying up for the car for 10 years. This is ridiculous.

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So all Perodua owner like Kancil, Kelisa, Kembara and MyVi owner also can't afford to drive something more expensive under NAP! MyVi prices from around RM 38K to RM 49K, so without NAP, Honda (Jaz, City), Toyota (Yaris, Vios), Nissan (Sentra, March), Mitsubishi (Lancer), Suzuki Swift, Hyundai (Accent, Elantra ), Kia (Rio, Spectra), etc all price within this range! Now NAP make all MyVi owner can't afford all these cars, if what you said is true, why all those guys DON'T just frustrated and vent out on Perodua???????????

SatriaGuy, you seem like to come out with "funny" statement!

I going back to workshop again to get wheel fixed. Just another Proton owner.

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Are you sure with what you are talking about? If all those guys frustrated because of power window failured, condemn absorber, freaking door handle, queking sound after few month, etc, etc, …… Are all these crap P1 stuff related to "their income bracket still couldn't let them drive something more expensive"? Ask your self because you can make a sound judgement on this matter!

Yeah. I bet all those guys are just frustrated coz their income bracket still couldn’t let them drive something more expensive, so they vent out on Proton

How could you driving cars more expensive than Potong given the 'outsider' cars has more tax than Potong thus increase the price over than its really worth…

In my calculation i really can afford the new 2.0 civic if NO overtaxes(means no overprice) from the G's you know….

I believe more people in this blog can drive bigger,better,powerful,fuel saving,safety(ABS,airbags and etc),problem free(if no 'rally' style applied) cars than potong cars that need H-line for full spec(why Potong don't standardize the ABS and airbag) that certain people afford when the differences is safety feature?.