P/S proton power window problem is the major problem, they cant even solve it for the last 22 years.if they can solve the power window problems how will they solve other problem?

August 25, 2006 @ 9:30 am

i ve been asking around people / close frens bout proton cars coz i ve decided to buy one, but seem lots of them dont have any big complain bout proton car..minor complain for me its normal.

so, i make my own conclusion, its not the brand, yes maybe proton’s product itself still not up to the expectation by most of us, but i think it is the car itself. any car can make problem too..maybe bcoz a lot of proton cars on the road so u can hear a lot of problem too. other cars, for sure there s a problem too but very seldom u ll hear it coz the quantity…make sense.

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thats actually wrong. thats actually an excuse made by one of the proton PR people to brush off the problems. you go beleive his horse crap. ive owned a 10 year old honda. no problems with windows or small issues. driving 6 year old corolla. not even a small problem throughout its life. nothing breaks or breaks down. harder to beleive that this toyota is a budget car in international car markets.

i ve been asking around people / close frens bout proton cars coz i ve decided to buy one, but seem lots of them dont have any big complain bout proton car..minor complain for me its normal.

so, i make my own conclusion, its not the brand, yes maybe proton’s product itself still not up to the expectation by most of us, but i think it is the car itself. any car can make problem too..maybe bcoz a lot of proton cars on the road so u can hear a lot of problem too. other cars, for sure there s a problem too but very seldom u ll hear it coz the quantity…make sense.

you are jumping into your own graveyard..friendly to say that nobody who drives a Proton would like to share you the bad info, the like for you to experience it by yourself…by the time you noticed it already too late you bought the car already..you stuck with the insane 4.1% interest rate per annum , and guess what your warranty is only for one year while in the UK proeton comes with 8 year warranty.with everything inside.

one last question why you want to buy stone age specs car with a price more than USD 10K? is it worth it? PROTON will turn you into less respected humasn, regardless your 10 degrees, 25 master degree or 12 Phd..no Proton drivers will not earn the respect except in your own house compund not in the hotels, not in the restaurant parking bays…not even respect by the car wash boys…

so, i make my own conclusion, its not the brand, yes maybe proton’s product itself still not up to the expectation by most of us, but i think it is the car itself. any car can make problem too..maybe bcoz a lot of proton cars on the road so u can hear a lot of problem too. other cars, for sure there s a problem too but very seldom u ll hear it coz the quantity…make sense.

Yes this is about honda, but..
im proud of the lotus 300RR wining, because the entire team who planned, setup, and managed the entire race are malaysians. The car was also setup for our conditions here in Malaysia. Thats a big achievement, being able to setup and run a GT spec car which is a very complicated piece of machinery.

well done also to the honda malaysia team. They have one of the best build touring spec cars i’ve ever seen race in an MME. will be interesting to see how their new car compares to last years car.

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agree with honda driver…proton power windows is a small problem…my jazz also having a problem with power window last time…

Yes this is about honda, but..
im proud of the lotus 300RR wining, because the entire team who planned, setup, and managed the entire race are malaysians. The car was also setup for our conditions here in Malaysia. Thats a big achievement, being able to setup and run a GT spec car which is a very complicated piece of machinery.

well done also to the honda malaysia team. They have one of the best build touring spec cars i’ve ever seen race in an MME. will be interesting to see how their new car compares to last years car.

like standing on one feet. feel stressed after standing 1 hour. but with 2 feet, can last longer.. aiya something like that.

if the car subject to continuous cyclic stresses, then stock welds may not be sufficient . cars these days at some parts are spot welded like along the doors or something.

secondly, y on earth compare Elise to Civic???? its like comparing a stallion with a pony. Do you feel proud winning in a nationally owned sports car that was not even designed & built by us? y not i just give you the money then u sell me the trophy.

Thirdly, MME races have many benefits for many car vendors to test their products. MME also serves to show how far can the cars be tuned. Tuners dream come true in some sense.

Fourthly, this subject is on MME Civic. Need I say more?

they finished last all the time why you never mentioned…actually is not really a reliable car..you finished last..is not an achievement in racing.

Proton business run by vendors not by their own management..Proton should not be in the list for new car at all..it is not car..it’s a desease..a power window failure prone car…sorry la I REALLY HATE TO SEE PROTON DRIVER NEED TO OPEN THEIR DOOR WHEN TO PAY TOLLS OR COLLECT PARKING TICKET OR NEED TO PUSH THE WINDOW USING THEIR HANDS.make them looks like superman/malayman..Y’KNOW..very smart..

you cannot compare an offroad/rally to a circuit race. they are 2 very different things. For a start, circuit endurance races are run non-stop at the fastest possible speed. Off road rallies like the dakar, are run from stage to stage. some are competitive, some are “transport”, there are also stop at intervals for service, and overnight stops..etc. If you have actually entered an MME, then you will know that the word endurance is not to be taken lightly. Not just machinery, but the human element is tested as well.
Both types of races have their merit and place in racing. If you are a competitor in either type of race, you will never come to the opinion that you have. One more thing, honda’s have always excelled on the track, as that is their motorsports focus. They have never conquered any offroad race anywhere.

Also for your info,
proton cars are entered regularly in rallies every year. over very rough terrain at very high speeds over a couple of days. A proton satria won its class in the British Rally Championships some years back. In fact, a proton gen2 1.6 completed Rally of Malaysia/APRC(26-27 aug), finishing 4th overall and 1st in class in a field of 4wd turbocharged rivals, 1.8 litre cars..etc.

Reliability testing is a long list of testing that need to be conducted under various conditions and criteria. MME race provides one of those testing condition. Therefore, both honda_driver and Joe Ooi are correct with their interpretation on reliability. For example, if the cars was merely using a ‘highly tuned version’ of the stock engine and managed to complete the race, we could therefore assumed that the ‘detuned version’ of the stock engine available would last much much longer under normal driving condition. Of course, cars is a package of many components and system. Hence, what I mentioned is just an example of it.

August 23, 2006 @ 2:50 pm

poor Joe Oiiiii.

this car is 2.0 .. how can compete waja 1.8 either gen-2 1.6?

i love honda design. but this car look heavy. and not suitable for racing..
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agree with you bmpower..

it all boils down to reliabitlity of the engine and how much you stress it. which i think why people use big NA rather than small turboed while honda who makes good small cap durable engine slots somewhere in the middle. as well as other areas of the car.

“Also, to the misinformed, over 50 proton cars regularly compete in, and complete the MME race every year. that is reliability.”

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Team Honda Racing by it name reflected that this mass produciton car is built for MME “Racing”. When come to racing, then to win the competition shall be the main objective of this race. Of course Merdeka Millenium Endurance by it self may see the “endurance” of the participant in which “reliability” may become main criteria on the toughness of the car.

However, I am in the opinion that to test the “endurance/reliability” of the car. Then this MME thingy can’t be use as “barometer” to measure this variable. Off roads vehicle driving and facing many obstacles like winding , rough terrain, extreme weather condition, untarred, “cowbow road”, stream, jungle, desert, etc. The like of Paris-Dakar Rally or Petronas 4WD expedition to China really demontrate the toughness, sturdy, reliability, endurance of vehicles participated in this journey and definitely the participants exposed to optimum physical as well as mental challenge. To run at super duper flat track that design for F1 is world class racing but does not indicate that this track can be or suitable to be use as an avenue to test the reliability/endurance of the mas production cars!

Any one have comments on this? Can MME organize and conduct off road version? Aiya don’t want elaborate more lah, then some may think me like to “sing” P1 …….

Aiya don’t need to waite Honda mass produced one…….. Ah Beng can do the job for you at “special discount price”. Sungai Besi/Chan Sow Lin area at KL have many experience Ah Bengs including source for kereta potong “organ”.
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motberg said,
August 23, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

Most probably the Gen-2 and Waja will only smell Civic exhaust fumes! *cough * cough*

So, CamPro performance is acceptable in its class, but P1 need to develop higher cc engine to catch up with competitor!

Also, to the misinformed, over 50 proton cars regularly compete in, and complete the MME race every year. that is reliability.

Maybe you should also check out last years results, and you can see for yourself that the top running protons completed more laps than the other honda civics in the race.

unfortunately, honda didnt win the overall race last year, they were beaten by the lotus prepared by R3 which completed the most laps ever in an MME. This year will be a good fight again.
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it’s true..nway,honda n proton doesn’t compete in same category..huhu..

@drifter: tiptronic is mercedes’s version of a clutchless manual transmission, why would it be on a honda? If you dont know the name of honda’s variant, then just call it clutchless manual transmission.
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Clarification…. Tiptronic is Porsche’s concept.. Mers merely has a license from Porsche to develop their own variant of the clutchless manual transmission thingy. And.. Mercedes DOESNT call their clutchless manual transmission the tiptronic system.. Its called touch shift.. =) Acura calls it sportshift.. Lotsa other names out there for this system.. go find out urself.. cheers.. =)

still remember when civic beat Muchilago GT in 2004 4 overall win.

The civic won overall win because the lambo broke down halfway through the race. So the civic won but it didnt beat the lambo, so to speak. Heard that the lambo will be back this year to beat the lotus exige…