Comments on: Proton to produce MPV and SUV with Chery http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:53:59 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52409 motorhead Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:24:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52409 Wah Joe, u know so much about tiara??... I can't forget the location of its hon!! hahaha... but is ok malayman.. good oso.. u can save on the comprehensive insurance.. insurance la for RM500!!.. hahahaha.. ” i play with cars and i play with continentals..but i still respect proton for what they are doing..." huyoo.. I oso play, but play with die cast models from toy shop... hahahaha... I oso respect what they r doing... doing rojak cars and rebadge models that goin out soon... hahahaha Wah Joe, u know so much about tiara??… I can’t forget the location of its hon!! hahaha… but is ok malayman.. good oso.. u can save on the comprehensive insurance.. insurance la for RM500!!.. hahahaha..

” i play with cars and i play with continentals..but i still respect proton for what they are doing…” huyoo.. I oso play, but play with die cast models from toy shop… hahahaha… I oso respect what they r doing… doing rojak cars and rebadge models that goin out soon… hahahaha

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52389 Joe Ooi Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:26:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52389 malayman said, " i play with cars and i play with continentals..but i still respect proton for what they are doing. you seem to talk so knowingly about cars..how many cars have you overhauled and fixed? what do you know about the inner workings of cars? i recently did an overhaul on my tiara carb and was surprised to know that it is the same type used in other continentals.." Joe Ooi - Overhaul crap Tiara car want to make "noise" in Paul Tan blog, ha, ha, ha, ha, ......... some more surprise to know that it is the same typed use in other continental .......... !!!!!!!!! What a crappy statement, yes it is continental, but which year technology? It is definitely outdated technology from Citroen just like as old as Saga/Iswara from Mits. Below is the fact on Tiara: - Proton Tiara – Most ostracized Proton product as it was procured and makes minor modification from outdated French’s Citroen compact car. Proton re-badged this model that was adapted from the Citroen AX, a small hatchback model launched in 1987 and ceased production in 1997. This mean the Tiara, which is based on Citroen AX model already past it shelf life long time ago. Tiara was an absolute product introduced in the 1990s into Malaysian road but received cold responds from motorists. So someone out there bought this metal junk but still respect the rojak producer yet "surprise" it is the same type used in other continental! Really pity there are at least someone with soooooooo "poor" (in info) about the tech of the car ....... really pity that our Bolehland auto industry not only have poor quality producer, but also have "poor soul" user....... malayman said, ” i play with cars and i play with continentals..but i still respect proton for what they are doing. you seem to talk so knowingly about cars..how many cars have you overhauled and fixed? what do you know about the inner workings of cars? i recently did an overhaul on my tiara carb and was surprised to know that it is the same type used in other continentals..”

Joe Ooi – Overhaul crap Tiara car want to make “noise” in Paul Tan blog, ha, ha, ha, ha, ……… some more surprise to know that it is the same typed use in other continental ………. !!!!!!!!! What a crappy statement, yes it is continental, but which year technology? It is definitely outdated technology from Citroen just like as old as Saga/Iswara from Mits. Below is the fact on Tiara: -

Proton Tiara – Most ostracized Proton product as it was procured and makes minor modification from outdated French’s Citroen compact car. Proton re-badged this model that was adapted from the Citroen AX, a small hatchback model launched in 1987 and ceased production in 1997. This mean the Tiara, which is based on Citroen AX model already past it shelf life long time ago. Tiara was an absolute product introduced in the 1990s into Malaysian road but received cold responds from motorists.

So someone out there bought this metal junk but still respect the rojak producer yet “surprise” it is the same type used in other continental! Really pity there are at least someone with soooooooo “poor” (in info) about the tech of the car ……. really pity that our Bolehland auto industry not only have poor quality producer, but also have “poor soul” user…….

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52384 motorhead Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:36:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52384 hahaha... I guess the overhaul cost wud be more than the value of the car itself... hahahah... dah terror sgt, better go & overhaul ex5 la.. hahahha... RM500??.. no thx... better hanging out with my china dolls.. wuagrhahahah.... overhaul proton cars so good meh??.. only craps need overhaul!! hahahaha.. hahaha… I guess the overhaul cost wud be more than the value of the car itself… hahahah… dah terror sgt, better go & overhaul ex5 la.. hahahha… RM500??.. no thx… better hanging out with my china dolls.. wuagrhahahah…. overhaul proton cars so good meh??.. only craps need overhaul!! hahahaha..

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52373 Joe Ooi Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:18:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52373 Malayman, got Tiara still want to "aksi" know this and know that to overhaul car. Me last time got Iswara felt very-very shame and no face lol, after 7 years, come with all kind of sound but radio no sound. My Honda EX 5 last time bought RM 3,400 after 4 1/2 year still can sold RM 2,300. What a pathetic Tiara car. If open market, any P1 cars more than 3 years., maybe selling price are: - 1. Perdana RM 25K 2. Waja RM 15K 3. Gen-2 RM 10K 4. Satria Neo RM 8K 5. Savvy RM 5K 6. Tiara give "ang pau" RM 500 if you take away from the owner. Malayman, got Tiara still want to “aksi” know this and know that to overhaul car. Me last time got Iswara felt very-very shame and no face lol, after 7 years, come with all kind of sound but radio no sound. My Honda EX 5 last time bought RM 3,400 after 4 1/2 year still can sold RM 2,300. What a pathetic Tiara car. If open market, any P1 cars more than 3 years., maybe selling price are: -

1. Perdana RM 25K
2. Waja RM 15K
3. Gen-2 RM 10K
4. Satria Neo RM 8K
5. Savvy RM 5K
6. Tiara give “ang pau” RM 500 if you take away from the owner.

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52298 motorhead Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:31:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52298 Uncle, now RM500 oni ka?.. really??.. malayman, r u reading this??... how much u bought ur tiara in the 1st place??.. hahahaha.. (I am still laughing) can't wait to see poton start to produce rojak car with china's!! ps:Our auto industry is a big joke! but this joke eat my heart out!! (NAP).. someday the gov will pay for this mess... Uncle, now RM500 oni ka?.. really??.. malayman, r u reading this??… how much u bought ur tiara in the 1st place??.. hahahaha.. (I am still laughing) can’t wait to see poton start to produce rojak car with china’s!!

ps:Our auto industry is a big joke! but this joke eat my heart out!! (NAP).. someday the gov will pay for this mess…

]]> By: oranglulu http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52283 oranglulu Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:23:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52283 talking about TIARA,uncle notice there are a lot of this cars being abandon in roadside,parking lot,workshop,and for those still on the road,their condition are all in very very sorry stage!you know how must a usecar quote uncle's friend TIARA just sell only! dun want! trade in for a cheap car,you tiara worth 500 ringgits!!!honda ex5 got higher trade in value lah,same year make! talking about TIARA,uncle notice there are a lot of this cars being abandon in roadside,parking lot,workshop,and for those still on the road,their condition are all in very very sorry stage!you know how must a usecar quote uncle’s friend TIARA just sell only! dun want! trade in for a cheap car,you tiara worth 500 ringgits!!!honda ex5 got higher trade in value lah,same year make!

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52200 motorhead Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:46:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52200 Yeah right mr khairy tengku mahaleel... we r equal junta myanmar.. we rich with resources but ppl live like other 3rd world countries...ppl still makan ulat & siput!!!.. about cars, we r worse than some 3rd world african countries... indon election even better than us... even in afganistan's election ppl use finger prints. here, dead ppl oso can vote! Yeah right mr khairy tengku mahaleel… we r equal junta myanmar.. we rich with resources but ppl live like other 3rd world countries…ppl still makan ulat & siput!!!.. about cars, we r worse than some 3rd world african countries… indon election even better than us… even in afganistan’s election ppl use finger prints. here, dead ppl oso can vote!

]]> By: Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52181 Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:09:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52181 Untuk setiap kereta bukan Proton yang kita beli, ia adalah bersamaan dengan sebuah kereta bukan Proton bersama dan kereta Proton. Ringkasnya, harga sebuah Honda City = (Honda City + Proton Savvy). Oleh yang demikian, setiap pembeli kereta bukan proton harus membayar ufti sebanyak sebuah Proton Savvy kepada Tuan Proton. You know, big time gangster, menindas rakyat. Jangan hairan, Proton pun boleh untung tanpa menjual sebuah kereta pun secara tidak langsung. Kalau yang dieksport tu, qualitinya lebih baik yang dijual kepada rakyat sendiri. Itulah double standard. Janganlah disembunyikan dosa kamu, proton. Ingat tu, padang jarak, padang terkukur! Untuk setiap kereta bukan Proton yang kita beli, ia adalah bersamaan dengan sebuah kereta bukan Proton bersama dan kereta Proton. Ringkasnya, harga sebuah Honda City = (Honda City + Proton Savvy). Oleh yang demikian, setiap pembeli kereta bukan proton harus membayar ufti sebanyak sebuah Proton Savvy kepada Tuan Proton. You know, big time gangster, menindas rakyat. Jangan hairan, Proton pun boleh untung tanpa menjual sebuah kereta pun secara tidak langsung. Kalau yang dieksport tu, qualitinya lebih baik yang dijual kepada rakyat sendiri. Itulah double standard. Janganlah disembunyikan dosa kamu, proton. Ingat tu, padang jarak, padang terkukur!

]]> By: Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52178 Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel Sun, 01 Oct 2006 04:45:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52178 Our automotive industry needs "reformasi"! I will never buy an outcast even if I can't afford the better one. Let's not support the outcast. P1 business model is fishy. Sounds like Ponzi or Pyramid Scheme. NAP = NEP!!!!! Singaporean say it is LPPL means (Lan Pa Pa Lan). Be it NAP or NEP, that's only benefits the Umnoputras and not us!!!! This is not a democratic country at all. The gonverment has no rights to condemn Myanmar's junta administration. Mind your own business! We are all suffering here!!! You cakap beli proton boleh hentikan aliran wang ke negara asing, itu tidak benar sama sekali. You beli komponen2 kereta secara besar-besaran dari Jepun, adakah ini bermakna aliran wang ke Jepun? Masyarakat Glokal yang diseru kamu, P1 tak glokal, lopung (local + kampung) kononnya. P1 loya buruk, P1 joget lambang!!!! Logo tahi kucing. Merana kita dibuatnya. Kami mahukan referendum, tanya rakayat sama ada harus diteruskan NAP atau tidak!!!! Our automotive industry needs “reformasi”! I will never buy an outcast even if I can’t afford the better one. Let’s not support the outcast. P1 business model is fishy. Sounds like Ponzi or Pyramid Scheme. NAP = NEP!!!!! Singaporean say it is LPPL means (Lan Pa Pa Lan). Be it NAP or NEP, that’s only benefits the Umnoputras and not us!!!! This is not a democratic country at all. The gonverment has no rights to condemn Myanmar’s junta administration. Mind your own business! We are all suffering here!!! You cakap beli proton boleh hentikan aliran wang ke negara asing, itu tidak benar sama sekali. You beli komponen2 kereta secara besar-besaran dari Jepun, adakah ini bermakna aliran wang ke Jepun? Masyarakat Glokal yang diseru kamu, P1 tak glokal, lopung (local + kampung) kononnya. P1 loya buruk, P1 joget lambang!!!! Logo tahi kucing. Merana kita dibuatnya. Kami mahukan referendum, tanya rakayat sama ada harus diteruskan NAP atau tidak!!!!

]]> By: Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52177 Khairy bin Tengku Mahaleel Sun, 01 Oct 2006 04:45:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52177 Our automotive industry needs "reformasi"! I will never buy an outcast even if I can't afford the better one. Let's not support the outcast. P1 business model is fishy. Sounds like Ponzi or Pyramid Scheme. NAP = NEP!!!!! Singaporean say it is LPPL means (Lan Pa Pa Lan). Be it NAP or NEP, that's only benefits the Umnoputras and not us!!!! This is not a democratic country at all. The gonverment has no rights to condemn Myanmar's junta administration. Mind your own business! We are all suffering here!!! You cakap beli proton boleh hentikan aliran wang ke negara asing, itu tidak benar sama sekali. You beli komponen2 kereta secara besar-besaran dari Jepun, adakah ini bermakna aliran wang ke Jepun? Masyarakat Glokal yang diseru kamu, P1 tak glokal, lopung (local + kampung) kononnya. P1 loya buruk, P1 joget lambang!!!! Logo tahi kucing. Merana kita dibuatnya. Kami mahukan referendum, tanya rakayat sama ada harus diteruskan NAP atau tidak!!!! Our automotive industry needs “reformasi”! I will never buy an outcast even if I can’t afford the better one. Let’s not support the outcast. P1 business model is fishy. Sounds like Ponzi or Pyramid Scheme. NAP = NEP!!!!! Singaporean say it is LPPL means (Lan Pa Pa Lan). Be it NAP or NEP, that’s only benefits the Umnoputras and not us!!!! This is not a democratic country at all. The gonverment has no rights to condemn Myanmar’s junta administration. Mind your own business! We are all suffering here!!! You cakap beli proton boleh hentikan aliran wang ke negara asing, itu tidak benar sama sekali. You beli komponen2 kereta secara besar-besaran dari Jepun, adakah ini bermakna aliran wang ke Jepun? Masyarakat Glokal yang diseru kamu, P1 tak glokal, lopung (local + kampung) kononnya. P1 loya buruk, P1 joget lambang!!!! Logo tahi kucing. Merana kita dibuatnya. Kami mahukan referendum, tanya rakayat sama ada harus diteruskan NAP atau tidak!!!!

]]> By: Jeffrey1977 http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52150 Jeffrey1977 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52150 Haiya, what to do. Just sit back and see loh... We put these people up there the very first place. Time will prove their statergies are wrong loh. Haiya, what to do. Just sit back and see loh… We put these people up there the very first place.

Time will prove their statergies are wrong loh.

]]> By: SamGan http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52132 SamGan Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:49:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52132 Malaysians pay the highest car prices in the world. Let's not have any illusion about protecting a so-called national car. It's to protect the wealth of the Umno-putras and cronies who find concept of a "national car" extremely advantegeous. Malaysians pay the highest car prices in the world. Let’s not have any illusion about protecting a so-called national car. It’s to protect the wealth of the Umno-putras and cronies who find concept of a “national car” extremely advantegeous.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52118 Joe Ooi Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:42:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52118 Motorhead, at RM 25K taxes, for poor hardcore, they may get low cost terrace house! NAP really rip us off anywhere and anyway they can.......... Sage launch in 1985, low cost 3 rooms terrace house built by G is RM 25K, But today it is raise to RM 32K only. For Toyota Corrola, it was sold around RM16K in 1985 but today it is selling at more than RM 100K? ps:... I am equally sick on all this crappy and shitty NAP/P1.............. Motorhead, at RM 25K taxes, for poor hardcore, they may get low cost terrace house! NAP really rip us off anywhere and anyway they can………. Sage launch in 1985, low cost 3 rooms terrace house built by G is RM 25K, But today it is raise to RM 32K only. For Toyota Corrola, it was sold around RM16K in 1985 but today it is selling at more than RM 100K?

ps:… I am equally sick on all this crappy and shitty NAP/P1…………..

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52115 motorhead Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:39:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52115 Just imagine, with more than RM25k taxes I paid for my vios E (selling price only around RM40k), the japs can equip all seat with airbags, ABS etc in the car... The gov is responsible for high death in car accidents in the country.. they r so greedy! never think of human life! pikir wang & how to protect their bisnes saja! (khazanah owns share in proton), plus, the MPs can get special AP for import car (without the silly taxes).. what kinda of gov is this??.. our democracy turns rotten!!! ps:...make me sick, very sick!!! Just imagine, with more than RM25k taxes I paid for my vios E (selling price only around RM40k), the japs can equip all seat with airbags, ABS etc in the car… The gov is responsible for high death in car accidents in the country.. they r so greedy! never think of human life! pikir wang & how to protect their bisnes saja! (khazanah owns share in proton), plus, the MPs can get special AP for import car (without the silly taxes).. what kinda of gov is this??.. our democracy turns rotten!!!

ps:…make me sick, very sick!!!

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52112 NeedGoodCar Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:36:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52112 I wonder if wasting economy resources and destroying economic value deemed as patriotic. What is "pride" if it can't even compete domestically without protections..."pride"? My blood boils everytime I read comments in favour of p1 backed by lame excuses. No need to go to the showroom, just log on to their website to see the selling price in lanjauwi and penis-suila, find out for yrself!!! I need a good car but couldn't afford one. I wonder if wasting economy resources and destroying economic value deemed as patriotic. What is “pride” if it can’t even compete domestically without protections…”pride”? My blood boils everytime I read comments in favour of p1 backed by lame excuses.

No need to go to the showroom, just log on to their website to see the selling price in lanjauwi and penis-suila, find out for yrself!!!

I need a good car but couldn’t afford one.

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52111 NeedGoodCar Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:27:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52111 p1 deserves bashing...what they produce are rojak with rotten ingredients but wanna sell at sharp fin soup cum abalone price…WTF. p1 deserves bashing…what they produce are rojak with rotten ingredients but wanna sell at sharp fin soup cum abalone price…WTF.

]]> By: SamGan http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52110 SamGan Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:24:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52110 Despite being called a national car company, Proton has never view itself as having any social responsibility to provide affordable and safe cars to Malaysians. It's primary purpose for existence is to make as much money as possible. In fact, rich consumers in first world countries have benefited more from proton than Malaysians. Although it is more than obvious, many die-hard supporters still think it is patriotic to support proton because it is a national asset.. All have been deluded by the underserving "national" tag. Despite being called a national car company, Proton has never view itself as having any social responsibility to provide affordable and safe cars to Malaysians. It’s primary purpose for existence is to make as much money as possible.

In fact, rich consumers in first world countries have benefited more from proton than Malaysians.

Although it is more than obvious, many die-hard supporters still think it is patriotic to support proton because it is a national asset.. All have been deluded by the underserving “national” tag.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52108 Joe Ooi Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:48:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52108 Agreed with Motorhead, the most P1 can produce is rojak by world standard. And in my opinion for P1/Alado/Chery partnership it is "empty arrangement" for P1 to produce new car, at most talk coc in the market to boost share price.............................. Agreed with Motorhead, the most P1 can produce is rojak by world standard. And in my opinion for P1/Alado/Chery partnership it is “empty arrangement” for P1 to produce new car, at most talk coc in the market to boost share price…………………………

]]> By: motorhead http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52104 motorhead Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:29:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52104 To all p1 supporters.... Go & visit toyota or honda showrooms, see the latest models, see their features then ask for a test drive (if u canlah).. after that, ask the sales person what r their selling prices before all the god damn taxes (ED tax & sales tax).. then compare the price with ur worthless rojak p1 cars & their features.. The point is, don't say we don't have any point or BRAINLESS when we criticize or bash p1.. bcoz u r the one who r blind and have no brain at all!!! To all p1 supporters….

Go & visit toyota or honda showrooms, see the latest models, see their features then ask for a test drive (if u canlah).. after that, ask the sales person what r their selling prices before all the god damn taxes (ED tax & sales tax).. then compare the price with ur worthless rojak p1 cars & their features..

The point is, don’t say we don’t have any point or BRAINLESS when we criticize or bash p1.. bcoz u r the one who r blind and have no brain at all!!!

]]> By: pendek http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52101 pendek Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:13:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52101 does P1 still won't allow P2 to produce a bigger CC'ed vehicle than them? uh! if P1 want to assemble MPV SUV blahblah blah let them be, lantak lah i prefer to wait for the P2 5 seater MPV does P1 still won’t allow P2 to produce a bigger CC’ed vehicle than them?
uh!

if P1 want to assemble MPV SUV blahblah blah let them be, lantak lah

i prefer to wait for the P2 5 seater MPV

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52099 NeedGoodCar Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:51:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52099 Actually, I don't care what p1 wants to do so long that nap abolished and no more @#$%^& high tax on non-local cars. Just let us have a choice!!! p1 and its by-product, i.e. nap, are destroying the economy value of this country. We, who suffer most. I am baffled why there are still so many die-hard p1 supporters even after so we had presented our solid reasons here in various forums endless times. sigh.... Actually, I don’t care what p1 wants to do so long that nap abolished and no more @#$%^& high tax on non-local cars. Just let us have a choice!!!

p1 and its by-product, i.e. nap, are destroying the economy value of this country. We, who suffer most.

I am baffled why there are still so many die-hard p1 supporters even after so we had presented our solid reasons here in various forums endless times.

sigh….

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52090 Joe Ooi Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:59:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52090 chenyl said, "….. we are in 2006 but wat we think about proton is proton 1990s so it is unfair to say proton is a bad car plus how old is proton….." -------------------------- To think P1 still like in 1990s already give face lol ....... The damn old lady "Saga" is as old as P1 existence. It is still valid if I see P1 even like in the 1980s. So it is "fair" to say 1985 Saga old model produce in 2006 is a good car? Ask any and many consumers, the general consesus is clear - new car but old model, unsafe yet put Bolehlander life "cheap" on the road. Maybe you mentioned think P1 in 1990s is refer to "venerable" Wira and "flagship" Perdana! ........ How old is P1, 20 years ++++ , still grapple with quality problems and most "untrusted brand". chenyl said, “….. we are in 2006 but wat we think about proton is proton 1990s so it is unfair to say proton is a bad car plus how old is proton…..”
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To think P1 still like in 1990s already give face lol ……. The damn old lady “Saga” is as old as P1 existence. It is still valid if I see P1 even like in the 1980s. So it is “fair” to say 1985 Saga old model produce in 2006 is a good car? Ask any and many consumers, the general consesus is clear – new car but old model, unsafe yet put Bolehlander life “cheap” on the road. Maybe you mentioned think P1 in 1990s is refer to “venerable” Wira and “flagship” Perdana! …….. How old is P1, 20 years ++++ , still grapple with quality problems and most “untrusted brand”.

]]> By: offroader manix http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52088 offroader manix Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:54:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52088 Chenyl, A fair comment:- PROTON IS OUR CARS. It is suppose to built for our citizens. LOW Quality, Bad car and No safety feature in our national car. Who is losing ? WE and all of us. MALAYSIAN CITIZEN. ASKING OUR NATIONAL CAR MANUFACTURER TO INPUT A AIRBAG OR TWO WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TO ASK ? AREN'T WE ? WE WORK SO HARD AND OUR CARS ARE NOT CHEAP HERE, DUE TO THE FACT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUY THEM. OUR HARD EARNED MONEY DO DESERVE SOME QUALITY PRODUCTS, DON'T WE ? :( Chenyl, A fair comment:- PROTON IS OUR CARS. It is suppose to built for our citizens.

LOW Quality, Bad car and No safety feature in our national car.

Who is losing ? WE and all of us. MALAYSIAN CITIZEN.

ASKING OUR NATIONAL CAR MANUFACTURER TO INPUT A AIRBAG OR TWO WOULDN’T BE TOO MUCH TO ASK ? AREN’T WE ?

WE WORK SO HARD AND OUR CARS ARE NOT CHEAP HERE, DUE TO THE FACT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BUY THEM.

OUR HARD EARNED MONEY DO DESERVE SOME QUALITY PRODUCTS, DON’T WE ?

:(

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52085 Joe Ooi Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:48:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52085 chenyl said, "Perodua…… well they do not hav to worry about their engine cause they dun make engine so they can void the stage of making an engine and monitor it plus Perodua do not even make their own car they only change the brand of the car like Myvi and more….." OK now we compare Savvy vs MyVi. Both also use outdated Clio and latest tech Daihatsu engine respectively............ Your statement intone that Perodua seem have to worry about "poor quality" or the like as what P1 is facing now. Let us go straight to the fact that MyVi vs Savvy in term of sales is 6 MyVi to 1 Savvy and the ratio keep increasing in favour of Perodua. The REAL worry as feedback from Perodua Bkt Beruntung plant is the workers are overwork including OT in order to meet the customer order and reduce the waiting time. For Savvy REAL worry is the sale figures is dismay and you can get Savvy as fast as car loan is approved (i.e. 48 hours), or instantly if you buy cash! Yet there are 2005 stock out there to be clear! Enough and many time repeat about this lol .................. and ahem ........... put P1 to sleep so that more car consumers have a good sleep not thinking and beset by P1 bad quality. chenyl said, “Perodua…… well they do not hav to worry about their engine cause they dun make engine so they can void the stage of making an engine and monitor it plus Perodua do not even make their own car they only change the brand of the car like Myvi and more…..”

OK now we compare Savvy vs MyVi. Both also use outdated Clio and latest tech Daihatsu engine respectively…………

Your statement intone that Perodua seem have to worry about “poor quality” or the like as what P1 is facing now. Let us go straight to the fact that MyVi vs Savvy in term of sales is 6 MyVi to 1 Savvy and the ratio keep increasing in favour of Perodua. The REAL worry as feedback from Perodua Bkt Beruntung plant is the workers are overwork including OT in order to meet the customer order and reduce the waiting time. For Savvy REAL worry is the sale figures is dismay and you can get Savvy as fast as car loan is approved (i.e. 48 hours), or instantly if you buy cash! Yet there are 2005 stock out there to be clear!

Enough and many time repeat about this lol ……………… and ahem ……….. put P1 to sleep so that more car consumers have a good sleep not thinking and beset by P1 bad quality.

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52080 Joe Ooi Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:33:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52080 chenyl said,"i think is unfair to says that proton is a bad car. many car companies in the world to recall cars like toyota but no one say that they are bad but when proton produce 1 car even in their prototype stage everyone is talking bad about the car…… " Joe Ooi - Off course GM, Ford, Toyota, etc, etc, previously in one way or another recall their faulty cars to remedy and make good to ensure their reputation and safety of the car owner come first. But for P1, with its notorious faulty power window for the past 20 years ++, do they recall any of the car to replace it. The worst is they still continue fixing new car but old model with these faulty power window and other substandard component as a "1 car but 1001 problems as standard features". Look like your statement is very ignorant or "dumb" as far as "prototype" is concerned. Which model(s) of Proton car is entirely develop from "prototype" - that is entirely new and develop on it own which may include but not limited to new chassis, new engine, new design, new handling, etc, etc, etc. Talk about Saga, Wira, Perdana, Juara, Tiara, Arena, the answer is big no - rebadge from Mits. Savvy, errrrrrr - engine got from outdated Clio (latest in the Euro market is Clio II), Satria Neo, errrr claim to be new chassis but many included Protonian whistle blower also said it is Satira chassis (both have same lenght). Now with all kind of this-and-that LOI, MOU with PSA, Mits, Chery, etc, etc, etc, where to get "prototype" other than rebadge? chenyl said,”i think is unfair to says that proton is a bad car. many car companies in the world to recall cars like toyota but no one say that they are bad but when proton produce 1 car even in their prototype stage everyone is talking bad about the car…… ”

Joe Ooi – Off course GM, Ford, Toyota, etc, etc, previously in one way or another recall their faulty cars to remedy and make good to ensure their reputation and safety of the car owner come first. But for P1, with its notorious faulty power window for the past 20 years ++, do they recall any of the car to replace it. The worst is they still continue fixing new car but old model with these faulty power window and other substandard component as a “1 car but 1001 problems as standard features”.

Look like your statement is very ignorant or “dumb” as far as “prototype” is concerned. Which model(s) of Proton car is entirely develop from “prototype” – that is entirely new and develop on it own which may include but not limited to new chassis, new engine, new design, new handling, etc, etc, etc. Talk about Saga, Wira, Perdana, Juara, Tiara, Arena, the answer is big no – rebadge from Mits. Savvy, errrrrrr – engine got from outdated Clio (latest in the Euro market is Clio II), Satria Neo, errrr claim to be new chassis but many included Protonian whistle blower also said it is Satira chassis (both have same lenght). Now with all kind of this-and-that LOI, MOU with PSA, Mits, Chery, etc, etc, etc, where to get “prototype” other than rebadge?

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52077 Joe Ooi Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52077 chenyl, you ask other Bolehlander to think your point of view.......... go and tell the whole world and promote P1 oversea, see what response you get from them. If you have the capaity and capability, try to put your point to Jeremy Clarkson and see how his response.........????????????????!@#$%^&*() If your argument is valid, then can ask G dismantle NAP and P1 have to plan at least export 1 million car against currently around 13K unit annually? Can P1 do it and can you talk "cock" to the world, don't bullshit in this blog and treat Malaysian consumers at large as have limited info on auto industry and/or know nothing!....... chenyl, you ask other Bolehlander to think your point of view………. go and tell the whole world and promote P1 oversea, see what response you get from them. If you have the capaity and capability, try to put your point to Jeremy Clarkson and see how his response………????????????????!@#$%^&*()

If your argument is valid, then can ask G dismantle NAP and P1 have to plan at least export 1 million car against currently around 13K unit annually? Can P1 do it and can you talk “cock” to the world, don’t bullshit in this blog and treat Malaysian consumers at large as have limited info on auto industry and/or know nothing!…….

]]> By: chenyl http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52071 chenyl Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:25:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52071 i think is unfair to says that proton is a bad car. many car companies in the world to recall cars like toyota but no one say that they are bad but when proton produce 1 car even in their prototype stage everyone is talking bad about the car...... so is actually what we think in our mind. yes i do agree that proton produce car with poor QC but that is the past wat we hav to say is now current not during 1990s..... we are in 2006 but wat we think about proton is proton 1990s so it is unfair to say proton is a bad car plus how old is proton..... well only 20 unlike honda, benz, vw.... this company are more than 50yrs for Perodua...... well they do not hav to worry about their engine cause they dun make engine so they can void the stage of making an engine and monitor it plus Perodua do not even make their own car they only change the brand of the car like Myvi and more..... please think if wat i post i think is unfair to says that proton is a bad car. many car companies in the world to recall cars like toyota but no one say that they are bad but when proton produce 1 car even in their prototype stage everyone is talking bad about the car…… so is actually what we think in our mind. yes i do agree that proton produce car with poor QC but that is the past wat we hav to say is now current not during 1990s….. we are in 2006 but wat we think about proton is proton 1990s so it is unfair to say proton is a bad car plus how old is proton….. well only 20 unlike honda, benz, vw…. this company are more than 50yrs for Perodua…… well they do not hav to worry about their engine cause they dun make engine so they can void the stage of making an engine and monitor it plus Perodua do not even make their own car they only change the brand of the car like Myvi and more…..
please think if wat i post

]]> By: sarawakguy http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52057 sarawakguy Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:50:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52057 I'm going to enjoy myself reading all these...heh heh heh.... I’m going to enjoy myself reading all these…heh heh heh….

]]> By: Whopper http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52050 Whopper Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:41:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52050 Wah so many comments about Proton. Hey Paul, ain't it about time you created a forum dedicated to Proton eh ? 1st it was possible JV with VW 2nd it was LOI between PSA 3rd it is Chery. 4th ? BWM and Proton ? Wah so many comments about Proton. Hey Paul, ain’t it about time you created a forum dedicated to Proton eh ?

1st it was possible JV with VW
2nd it was LOI between PSA
3rd it is Chery.

4th ? BWM and Proton ?

]]> By: Jeffrey1977 http://paultan.org/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52040 Jeffrey1977 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:10:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2006/09/28/proton-to-produce-mpv-and-suv-with-chery/#comment-52040 I feel sorry for the tiara, juara and a few unfamous models of P1. These are all junks produce to rip you guys off. They should do proper marketing survey. How many Tiaras or Juaras you see on the road? Haiya. end story. Sorry if I offended anyone. Have a nice weekend. I feel sorry for the tiara, juara and a few unfamous models of P1. These are all junks produce to rip you guys off. They should do proper marketing survey.

How many Tiaras or Juaras you see on the road?
Haiya. end story.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Have a nice weekend.

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