forza italia!

FIAT ?!?! Utter dissapointment. Italians hold on to their legacies better than Germans all this while…. but seems Fiat is loosing some tempo here. Bad attempt. Grande's good thou, but wrong timing, there's GOLF.

some people like it, some people dont,

for me, a huge thing sticking out from the door is simply out of propotion for this almost a compact car.

if u look at 288gto well the car is handsome with that.

looks like it depend on circumstances and how your eyes perceive aesthetically, and preference is very personal.

happy eid ,and slamat hari raya,

MyBoy, I understand that you don’t like cars with door-mounted mirrors, but please accept & respect other ppls opinion. 4G63T & I have nothing againts your comments, please dont turn it into a heated argument. Its a matter of personal preference, and I have to admit that your taste (placement of wing mirror) is different from mine.

I think Fiat has its own reasons on why it mounted its wing mirrors on doors instead of the A-frame. You can see clearly that the Fiat Linea has a low front roofline, and the designers thought that it will be sportier if the mirrors are mounted on the doors instead of the A-pillar frame.

Other Italian sports cars also adopted the same design although its not a problem for them to place the mirrors on the A-frame. Take for example: Lambo Gallardo & Alfa Romeo Brera. Its just their preference.

Cheers.. Selamat Hari Raya to all readers."

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Forgive me again if my posting sounds harsh, i do respect both your and 4G63T DSM comments.

I do notice that many supercar opt for that way of mounting wing mirror, but most of normal sporty road car still opt for 'conventional' way. I can accept that its a matter of design preference. But what i cant easily accept (unless some facts is given) is the notion like:

1) "the side door-mounted mirrors are a MUST for a car which got that cab-forward design"

2) “You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror." (as if people dont know)

3) "I said that it can be done but its MORE TROUBLE than it needs to be."

Anyway, i do respect both you and 4G63T DSM….. Dot get me wrong… Peace

I think Fiat has its own reasons on why it mounted its wing mirrors on doors instead of the A-frame. You can see clearly that the Fiat Linea has a low front roofline, and the designers thought that it will be sportier if the mirrors are mounted on the doors instead of the A-pillar frame.

Other Italian sports cars also adopted the same design although its not a problem for them to place the mirrors on the A-frame. Take for example: Lambo Gallardo & Alfa Romeo Brera. Its just their preference.

Cheers.. Selamat Hari Raya to all readers.

I didn;t say it was impossible. I said that it can be done but its more trouble than it needs to be.

Not sure if you notice that on these “cab forward” designs, the side doors also has a small windows on the edge of the A frame. The points of these windowrettes are to give better visibility and slapping on a side mirror there defeats the purpose."

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You take a look at some of the models i have told yet? None of them mount the side mirror at the place of "a small windows on the edge of the A frame", so no purpose has been defeated. The way they mount the mirrors is quite simple too, not like you said: "more trouble than it needs to be"

Please take a good look at some of the models.

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I didn;t say it was impossible. I said that it can be done but its more trouble than it needs to be.

Not sure if you notice that on these "cab forward" designs, the side doors also has a small windows on the edge of the A frame. The points of these windowrettes are to give better visibility and slapping on a side mirror there defeats the purpose.

Normal user is right. More or less.

Though not a requirement, most of these Cab forward designs need to have door mirrors on the doors, since they can’t mount them on the A pillar as the door cutout is after the A pillar. You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror."

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You said: "You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror."

I dont want to lough at you, but no sane people would have done that. Please do some research before condone (or condemn) statements by others. I bet you only familiar with conventional (old) car design.

Forgive me if this post sounds a bit harsh. I just cant believe you assume that i dont know about the "You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror" thing.

have you seen Daihatsu Sonica? Its one of the latest example on how to avoid the MPV-style door-mounted wing mirrors on your car. On the contrary, Daihatsu Move opt for the MPV-style door-mounted wing mirrors, but i dont mind since Daihatsu Move can be considered as an MPV.

October 21, 2006 @ 10:51 pm

oh yes, forgot one thing.

Normal user is right. More or less.

Though not a requirement, most of these Cab forward designs need to have door mirrors on the doors, since they can’t mount them on the A pillar as the door cutout is after the A pillar. You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror.

The VW New Beetle is a prime example. Its not impossible but its just a hell lot easier to just mount it on the door instead.

Hope you guys dont persecute Normal user for not explaining properly what he was trying to say."

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As for mounting side mirrors on A pillar, no car (and no body in his right mind) in recent memory have done that. Instead they mount it at the end of the window frame, near the A pillar. Even some of the MPV has done that. Some of the latest examples are Ford S-Max and Ford Galaxy. Have yourself a look at those Ford so the you can better understand what i meant and then comeback here and drop me a line.

Anyway, thanks 4G63T DSM, for your explaination.

just a little tought, pull out the badges, show to the one who never see this fiat before, let him guess what car is it.

cheers

Normal user is right. More or less.

Though not a requirement, most of these Cab forward designs need to have door mirrors on the doors, since they can't mount them on the A pillar as the door cutout is after the A pillar. You cannot mount the mirror there as when the door opens, it will hit the mirror.

The VW New Beetle is a prime example. Its not impossible but its just a hell lot easier to just mount it on the door instead.

Hope you guys dont persecute Normal user for not explaining properly what he was trying to say.

The design language of the car is sound. I like how the car looks. Fiat doesn;t always have a very prominent "fiatness" to it. Being italian doesn;t mean they have to be as sexy as every Alfa or exotic like a Merserati and Ferrari (and yes, all 3 mentioned are in the FIAT Group). If you look through the history of Fiat cars, you dont really see them stand out perticularly italian. Fiat is the everyday italian man's, italian car.

Would one lump Japanese cars that are trying to look 'German' any less than what amazing engineering they are? Probably not.

There are only so many ways you can design a headlamp or wheelarches, or design the roof and window lines. Eventually it will look like it came off another car. Some people's comments seem to show that all cars look alike because it has 4 wheels.

MyBoy, the side door-mounted mirrors are a must for a car which got that cab-forward design (eg Civic, Pug 307, MPVs) to give them better aerodynamics and ample front headroom space. A normal wing mirror can’t be installed for ‘cab-forward designed’ cars."

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Its a must for cab-forward design? You are dead wrong!

With all due respect, please check your facts before you say something like: "side door-mounted mirrors are a must for a car which got that cab-forward design".

but just look at once a people carrier exactly the same with different FORD, VW and SEAT badge swaped. sad..

look at the design design of old beetle porshe to audi vw move toward new century, still its clearly looks german,s.

well..for me italian car deserve to be looked italian.

it s just in a perspective of design.

if it a good car who cares about where its originated, whats the brand name is. who cares driving skoda/seat , it a good car, evethough the design is urghhh..

MyBoy, the side door-mounted mirrors are a must for a car which got that cab-forward design (eg Civic, Pug 307, MPVs) to give them better aerodynamics and ample front headroom space. A normal wing mirror can't be installed for 'cab-forward designed' cars.

To other ppl, please stop commenting this 'new car looks like this or that'. Where got originality this days when there are hundreds of new car designs come out every year?

for this fiat, its no enough just to put chrome door handle as a clue classic italian. its look like as if it share platfform for or from others too. mixed blood i suppose.

Looks awesome. Curves smooth without sudden breaks.

but lack of the daring and unique Fiat design.