Too bad I come across this site during a google search and have to see this:

"2. High/low price – is relative, normally compare “apple-to-apple” for particular goods or services. For example 3 star Hotel A charge RM 80 per night whilst another 3 star Hotel B charge RM 120 per night (assume both have similar facilities and location). Therefore, we can conclude that Hotel B charge higher price than Hotel A. "

Wow, you only LOOK at the 3 STAR Rating, Hotel Name and PRICE and thus make conclusion, well, I think anyone can conclude how you judge things… Also, I'm not saying the expensive are good, who knows, maybe the RM80 have much better service, features, etc? Or Vice Versa.

In the case of the car, Peugeot 206 (rebadge as Naza, but still a Peugeot, mind you) 1.4L costing at RM68, 888K (CKD), while the Vios E (76K++) and G (80K++), City (80K++), Sentra (90K++)… If for your judgement of the Hotel, wouldn't you say the Vios, City and Sentra more expensive??? All are NON-LOCAL car for one (we just forget about the ASEAN and NON-ASEAN for once). If we look more in depth, into the features, specs, etc… clearly, without doubts the 206 beats hands down, except the engine which is, erm… 1000cc? Well, more in detail 8v SOHC, then 2 Disc Brake. What else, maybe car size… Just neglecting the TAX thingy, it's enough to use common sense to think which is ACTUALLY considered overprice, when we talk TAX if more obvious. Anyway, to me, within 100K range, nothng beats the Naza Bestari 206 (Welll, now the Mazda3 is about 100K, that's a different story, it's one that comes with tiptronic and much more feature, unlike the City and Vios, which are only famous mostly… well… here). Btw, there's really no need argument for the 206, it's well known and worldwide sold, etc…. only argument I see mostly is about this "Naza" thingy, like I said, putting away the Naza, I wonder what "big" difference would it make?

As for your this statement, well, it's REAL mature, what do you expect me to answer? "Yea yea, I ponteng my CLASS, oh, I'm so guilty"??? Btw, just have this anything to do with the topic we're discussing or you just wanna LET GO?

"Aiya, your lecturer don’t highlight this thing to you or you don’t pay attention including ponteng class."

To Others,

I'm sorry if I've sounded harsh or anything, but as I've mentioned, when we say something, we should present a point, not just "Buy Vios better" or "Buy 206 better" for that matter. And a point must be more common sense and logic, not like this guy:

offroader manix said,

wah…..this one waste of time.

The colour and the lights already ” shuoi ” like coffin car.

At 77K, vios better.

See what I mean, colour and lights? What does it makes to affect the car price? And simply at 77K, Vios better? 77K, you're just getting E spec Vios, which has no ABS, low specs (or in more exact terms, PASAR MALAM spec,… why? Well, in Malaysia, we're well known for this one dun wan, that one dun wan… so we got those very low specs which has many things remove, but also for those not able to afford a few more K, or maybe really really doesn't need it. But you can see as people move forward, they are seeing the bigger picture already… slowly adapting…)

Back to main point, I don't see any valid reason Vios is any better, unless you said about:

1. 2nd hand value (Then you just wanna get a car to get you around and sell it sometime soon, then why are you complaining in this topic?)

2. Spare Parts (Well, if you're worried, then why buy? True that it's a point to beat the 206, so, is it valid? Arguable…

3. VIOS ONLY: Vios has Super ECT, and you prefer the feature, well, arguable, but 206 has tiptronic, so it depends how you see it, you may think you don't need to tiptronic, but don't forget, it's a FEATURE, NICE TO HAVE, not a necessity. Who knows, one who has tried it might get stuck to it, or might have no feelings for it, but it's you're a car lover, you should be amazed or interested to have. Again in gearbox, the looks, clearly, the 206 tiptronic gearbox even beats the Toyota Camry, it looks profesional, high class, etc. Of course, the futuristic one now, the Honda Civic, like driving an airplane.

4. Maintainance? Arguable, in terms of spare parts, yes 206 is expensive, but in terms of servicing? The 206 service interval is 20K (yes, 20K, some people went for 10K under their own opinion, but it's 20K, it's already account for the weather condition etc, and many 206 drivers service at 20K +/- 1K,… if you feel unsafe, it's not necessarity 10K, you can go at 15K or 17K, 19K, etc… And most important part, usual service PRICE, around RM250+/-… Do maths calculation overall plus first 100K maintainance, the total price spend + car price has changed… But, it's still arguable when you talk about parts worned off, spare part availability and easy to find replacement/OEM, etc…

OFF TOPIC (WARNING, reading below might offend or hurt, it's just my 2 cents on car looks):

And offroader, if you wanna KNOW, looks at Avanza, what does it look like? You chop off the middle, lowers it, what you get,… well… very much like Myvi, and people compare it with Honda Jazz… oh WOW… Btw, talk about coffin car, how does coffin car looks like? Weren't those Toyota Alphard, Serena looks more like Coffin car, it's like coffin car for the rich, and if you think further, Myvi looks like one mini coffin car too, for pets, who knows, one day someone rich might use it. Anyway, I most probably offended Myvi supporters, the point is, what do they use for coffin cars? Usually a van, Myvi is a mini van anyway.

uncle joe n andy..

stop arguing la aiyo..

ok la..

as a peugeot's user i'd like to comment smthg abt peugeot.

ok in my house theres got peugeot 306 n 405..

rite nw im driving 306 maybe im too young to talk abt car.

i jst 17.

ok wat can i tell abt 306 is dat car is very cool.

sporty a bit.coz i changed it to sport rim.

bt de petrol maintanence is a lil bit expensive

de spare-part is very difficult to find..

until now i cant find de dashboard for my car.

de engine performance is not bad.

n de year maintenace for dis car is not expensive.

i mean affordable for a ppl in mod.salary.

on de same time,my bro using s.neo n my mum using vios

i have drive both of them.

ok kudos for vios..

its a good car actly.

fuel-economic.

nt too expensive.

spare part is easy too find.

all my family satisfied wif dat car.

black in color look soooo sporty!

n for de p1's car s.neo..

its not bad at all..

at de 1st time bought,

my bro jst experienced problem wif de brakes system oni.

dat car is so cool n sporty.

its very comfortable bt more comfortable if hv 4doors.

i luv to drive it.

de transmission is ok la..my bro using manual transmission

but de xbest one is.

de type of tyres dat de s.neo use is special one.

i forgot de size ad.

if de tyres rosak u need to book for de new one.

its not available in market (sorry if im wrong)

n de most i xsuka one is de sport rim mia cover always

kena curi..grrrr.!!

ok dats only wat i wanna talk abt..

sorry if gt u all wrong..

jst wanna share my opinion.

Yes this forum are full of ppl who think they know "Everythin" even when they havent even tested both cars. They base their "knowledge" from what they see on the internet and not by

Experiencing" the car themselves.

One thing i notice is Joe Ooi, whom i also presume is using another name to log in for other forums ( diff car) and giving his "opinion".

I think each and everyone here should respect each others opinion, rather than shoot another person down, thinking that HIS opinion is correct and the rest is just not right!~~

Its SAD when someone tries to dominate the forum, thinking his GOD and he knows everything.. well "siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas". If you ( not u Vin2000) think ur so good in cars.. why the hell are you shooting down other brands, talking negatively about the cars..? you should be writting for CBT, or other car magazines, heck why dont u take over the Jeremy Clarkson column.?? U cant? because u dont have what it takes..

So pls let other ppl write what they want , and ask what they want.. and if u really want to help.. then sincerely help. They are ppl out here who are serious buyers who can afford any cars.. they just want to know more.. and if U have tested the car.. ( not ur friend, ur mum or dad ) then put down ur honest opinion. If ur comparing it to another car.. then make sure u have tested the "other" car.

Dont compare something to another when u dont even have both cars.. and u havent driven them at all.

Just my two cents.

Gonna get my 206 soon the price is good, cheap & resonanable for me. Whatever u guys tell me this or that better/more worth (vios/city/sentra/myVi/savvy). The $$ is mine, if i dont care, y should u?

All i care is FC, safety, design, price, dont tell me others Fc is better, how u know? from magazine? u own both of the car? did u really test it on the same road, same condition, wheather? as for the repair i think Andy already say it, ya it maybe expensive for one time repair, but by the time i repair my car (maybe i have already sold it) u already waste $$ few time on serviceing your car few timessss.

If saw them on the road, ask them to smoke me hahaha :p who care if they smoke me (if they can), just when they r in accident, hope they dont injured others :p ownself wanna die then die la.. dont involve others

And for Andy & Joe, read both of ur commentss, seem u guys have misunderstanding -_-" but dislike the guyss who started tellin/bashin others comment that so informatative and givin out nick name but not contribute any goods/infromation at all here.

Dont like my comment? bash/hit me!! I'm scared XDDD if i dont care, who's care? My mom told me not to argue with an idiot, coz others will not differentia who's the idiot is

dude..u r absolutely rite… statement from a moron… not like i'm a continental car fan or japs car hater…. dude, don bluff..no need to lie to yourself.. wira??..savvy??? haha

this is a statement from ppl who dont know much about european car design, characteristic and behaviour.

Andy,

i'm sure the tiptronic is good. even the standard 4-speed auto is ok.

the AL4 gb is willing to play if necessary, but can be unpredictable in its reliability..

all the flash accessories,

no bang in the engine.

naza can scratch my balls and die.

The colour and the lights already " shuoi " like coffin car.

At 77K, vios better.

"My standard wira can waste this car anyday…pffftt…"

haha… no need to use ur Wira. My standard Savvy also can give this car free smoke!!! Horsepower same as Savvy's: about 74hp.

But, the 206 torque figures are slightly higher.

Hmm… but this car worth buying for its Tiptronic from Porsche and its GPS.

November 29, 2006 @ 1:25 am

Uncle Joe,

IF you’re talking about the TAX, blame the goverment or anyone, what for your blame the car??? Farnee la u… So all those AP cars, oh no… ALL which affected by unreasonable TAXes you should blame also? Please please…

I’m talking about the 206 price, I mention this dunno the N-th time now, technically, it IS expensive, the original price is very very cheap, due to the tax it’s very very high, I even MENTIONED in my first post. READ man, READ and PAY ATTENTION.

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Uncle noted your comments on 206 and crappy tax thingy which is rather informative. I neither disputed nor deny your facts. Since you posted in your comment that your lecturer ……. then I assume you are U graduate and of course knowledgeable.

But read my post properly, what I highlight just about the usage of words on expensive/cheap vis-a-vis high/low price! Just give you the tips on the different of these words from Economics point of view.

1. Expensive/cheap – is subjective, normally measure in "two extreme end" of ANYTHING that can be measure by money. E.g. Airbus 380 may consider "expensive" as it cost around RM 1.2 billion a piece whilst Chinese tea may considered "cheap" as it may cost 30 sen a cup. However, we can't conclude Airbus 380 is the most expensive since Pal Jumeira manmade Island at Dubai (UAE) is much more higher, or KLIA cost more! We can't conclude Chinese tea is the cheap since some other stuff you buy come with free goodies!

2. High/low price – is relative, normally compare "apple-to-apple" for particular goods or services. For example 3 star Hotel A charge RM 80 per night whilst another 3 star Hotel B charge RM 120 per night (assume both have similar facilities and location). Therefore, we can conclude that Hotel B charge higher price than Hotel A.

Hope the above explanation and examples give you basic understanding how to use these word properly rather than "arbitrary". Also are you get my point now? So you have to pay ATTENTION on my statement as well. Your statement, definitely I pay attention.

Aiya, your lecturer don't highlight this thing to you or you don't pay attention including ponteng class.

207 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

just that why 206, not 207 newer, bigger, yes bigger, looks far batter at a difference of rm3500 (500pound)

yawwwwn, nite..

IF you're talking about the TAX, blame the goverment or anyone, what for your blame the car??? Farnee la u… So all those AP cars, oh no… ALL which affected by unreasonable TAXes you should blame also? Please please…

I'm talking about the 206 price, I mention this dunno the N-th time now, technically, it IS expensive, the original price is very very cheap, due to the tax it's very very high, I even MENTIONED in my first post. READ man, READ and PAY ATTENTION.

What's your point you wanna prove or stand point? Are you saying Vios is better worth @ about RM80K compared to this 206? If yes, WHAT'S your POINT and REASON? Don't just bash on the car for being over taxed, etc because the GOVERNMENT or someone do so.. Features? It's pretty obvious… what else you wanna point out? Since people are complaning it's expensive and Vios is much worth, well HOW? Vios is Jap and 206 is French, the tax will make the car price difference, so technically, the 206 is still cheaper, and YET after the TAX it's STILL cheaper… how can the Vios be cheap then?

Did I say I'm knowledgable? Anyway, thanks for seeing me that way, I'm just telling what I think and feel, fi you don't agree, say some point or facts… At leatst, what I mentioned is based on the points and/or facts (such as the Vios has this and that feature, and 206 has this and that, why the 206 is more wirth and better), than other just bash (Vios/City is better with NO reasons or because they FEEL so or because they dun even know anything about the 206)… Oh yea, btw, by saying "you're from Nazaland" is REAL MATURE right? and so, fine, you win.

Anyway, up to you to say whatever you want, I just sign up to post the comment because I've been reading a lot of comments without reason/points/etc… makes it very farnee how people judge things. I just clarify/explain in case those who didn't know. (e.g.

1. One is Jap, one Is French (how can you compare the prices)

2. The features available on the 206. which from all the comments, including other topics, most people doesn't seem to know much or read much.

3. The service interval of the 206, 20K. Jap makes usually 5K service interval.

And others, lazy to type liao, can read back anyway).

So, up to you, you can say whatever you want, my reason to post the first comment was to clarify, but surprisingly someone suddenly said something about Nazaland, wow, which makes me wonder, if it was Peugeot which launched the car instead, would there be any of those "non-sense" comments?

My reason for signing up and comment to point out my point and opinion is done, no point arguing. Just hope others can provide some useful information and point rather than saying something without reason or reasonable reason. People who dunno anything/much about cars might get the wrong info.

In terms of AutoTransmission, I would prever Toyota, it has Super ECT (Smooth Gear Change), that's a BIG difference and IMO vital for Auto Transmission as I'm a manual transmission driver. My brother has City and it's s*cks to drive when I tried to accelerate a little more or overtake cars somehow the gear change is very very annoying and the delay… Same goes for my mum's Sentra… BUT the Vios, altough never drive it b4, as a passenger of my speeding friend's Vios, I could hardly remember feeling any jerks even when he overtakes cars.

As for the 206 Tip-Tronic Transmission, you should really read the forum in Motor Trader by Chips, it's very powerful and intelligent (He explain in very detailed, or was it another member, but anyway, Chips explain the driving behaviour of the car near the last page and it's might be impressive for many). Anyway, just the Tip-Tronic alone is enough to kill, it's NOT a cheap transmission anyway, even my friend wants to upgrade his Vios to Tip-tronic transmission gearbox, but the mech told him only can get Celica's one and it's very expensive.

Just a basic rundown on 206 Tip-Tronic, on the visual, you can see "D or Normal mode", "Snow mode", "Sports mode". That's just the basic visual you can see, internally it's more powerful and intelligent, and they've spent a lot on the research of the gearbox.

"Mr. Parrot", if you can't differentiate between "expensive" & "high price" or "cheap" & low price", then you may contact your lecturer(s) and ask why all economy theory text book does not described goods and services either expensive or cheap, but high or low price/cost (cost + mark up = price). E.g. low labour cost production country like China, Vietnam, etc.

comment by protonGL is not really a good example and may reflect the "reality" of Protonomic under crappy NAP. If you refer to Oxford Dictionary or text book related to the theory of free economics, you shall get high intellectual understanding on these. The way you use these words "interchange-ably and/or arbitrary" dosn't reflect what you claimed your self as "knowledgeable" including fire other including me as bashing without some facts and portray yourself as "saint-rightous-petrolhead"!

Anyway, one more thing to clarify, IF it this 206 CKDwas not produce by Naza but by Peugeot instead and priced @ smae price… Wonder what people would comment?…. Hm…

And what are you talking about Cheap, Expensive and Low Price High price???

So what if the Original Peugeot 206 1.4L is cheap??? What's with second hand value problem with the NEW car price? One is CKD one is CBU, and it's very obvious how continental CBU price drops, and it's very COMMON SENSE the higher the car price, the higher/faster it drops in the start.

And please read carefully, technically, the 206 Bestari IS Expensive, BUT if you compare with other cars in Malaysia, it is NOT. The Vios/City/Sentra/etc, is ANY TIME way overpriced if you take the 206 into consideration. AGAIN, SEE the SPECS on the 206, and it's main part ARE FRENCH imports. Please, just the tax difference alone is enough for any common sense people to think.

Like I said before, please use some facts or reasonable reasons instead of simply bashing or critisizing or saying this and that such as "Nazaland", etc… Cmon' if I wanna be unreasonable I can say you're simply a Non-Nazaland people… Anyway, I'm a supporter of the 206, who cares about Naza?, I hate the fact that they removed the Peugeot Logo anyway, but, I'm happy that it retains it's ORIGINAL ENGINE, TRANSMISSION, SUSPENSION SYSTEM, etc… I rather they keep this price than they removed these important part. And also up to 2010, the car price will drop, most probably (or hope) it will have big impact on the 206 since it's a FRENCH import.

normal_user:

Once my lecturer told me, the western car manufacturer "BUILT TO LAST", the japanese think they're dumb, and wants to make more money so they make their car require frequent service and maintainance, that way they can earn, and also they keep launching new models so people will change car. So, japanese cars, usual service intervals 5K… Western usual 20K or maybe more…

*This is what my business lecturer mentioned, believe or not up to u all, but it's pretty obvious*

Anyway, not against any makes, all of us have different tastes in cars, that's more important than anything. Someone who loves a Myvi will accept all it weakness and loves it to the full, likewise, someone who loves the Yaris will think it's worth and reasonable price. So, most important is still what you like.

I like the 206, but put away the LIKE, in terms of the specs and price and comparison with other cars in Malaysia, it's very reasonable or considered low price. BUT, if you're not comparing, of course, it's VERY expensive, the original Peugeot 206 1.6L only cost 40K I think?

if anyone value any car at the face value of its selling price, its not enuff.

Maybe that the essence of what he trying to say.

the 206 and city… its a different car. 206 can be driven smoothly and aggresively (straight line or layan corner) and you still feel safe, but driving the city aggressively make me a little worry.

if you have ever drive scooter with CVT transmission (e.g. Yahama Nouvo), you'll have an idea how it feel driving the city (in term of engine response). very similar.

206.. you have to test drive.

the 206 engine is an old SOHC engine. but they used it coz its a proven engine. i do question the motive of bringing the SOHC engine as 206 in Europe have a variance with a 1.4L 16V engine (maybe DOHC). perhaps to cut down the cost.

the SOHC engine is a bit of a letdown as 206 might be perceive as hot hatch but the engine chosen for the Bestari.. so and so only in terms of BHP.

TIPTRONIC? as andy put it, city, vios, sentra got or not? they dont but they have other alternatives. which one is better? any comments?

the basic 206 don't discount on safety. you got active protection in terms of 2 airbags, ABS, EBA etc and passive protection from a very good chasis, good handling etc. this car got 4 star from NCAP. better than big waja – 3 star. city, vios, sentra.. got NCAP rating? i dont know. Is the japanses car chasis any good?

electronics… 206 offer some electronic gadgets that are not found in city or vios. all peugeot are like that nowadays. a few owner of the 407 told me its too intelligent sometime.

in short, some of the offering in 206 are absence in city or vios, vice versa.

it is quite hard to present comparison between these cars here as this is just a blog with limited space for proper presentation or maybe ppl got not enuff time, me included.

but for me, the 206 at the selling price is fair value. the exact CBU from france for the exact spec (but not facelift model, is the older model.. hence less good looking) cost rm89,000 brand new (in year 2000-2001).

they are offering basically the same car but less around rm20,000. but now i heard got rm4,000 discount more. so at rm64,888 OTR berbaloi or not? i believe not bad, not bad at all. tepuk dada, tanya selera.

if in love, does rm2-3K really matters?

some might said its an old car as it was first produced in the late 90s.

This is due to the difference in marketing approach of EU and Japs car manufacturers. Japs more like their electronic company. Like to 'introduce' new model that not really new but called it new.

Look at Sony, for the same TV, every year got new model with minor additions and exterior update. but inside its the same TV!

EU car company like to expand the same car (with more variants and options)as long as it could. hence the many variants of 206. there are easily 20-30 of them. and they dont called it a new car, just new variants.

Q: Who know when honda producedt he first version of city?

generally, comparing to vios, city and sentra .. all 4 cars more or less are equal overall. its up to the customer requirements, taste and preference.

but the sportivo… emm….. too cosmetic modded for a 1.4.. nanti kalau kena cucuk, mana mau lari?

For those who are 206 or Japanese car fans/wannabes, don't fight fight la. The French is the best in terms of comfort & solid engineering; ahead of its time. While Japs are the best in terms of quality & reliability. Price nearly the same, so its up to the consumers to choose what they prefer.

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Sorry, typo error, the above statement should be read as "Aiyoyo, can you differentiate between “expensive” vis-a-vis “HIGH price”?"

Sorry and please take note.