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	<title>Comments on: Wearnes hands over first Volkswagen batch</title>
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		<title>By: SamGan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57159</link>
		<dc:creator>SamGan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honda_driver, 

a journey of a thousand miles begin with a single step. the first step to a liberalized market is to get rid of proton. Of course prices won&#039;t come down immediately but more competition and removal of non-tariff barriers will eventually bring down prices and benefit consumers. But as it is, proton stands in the way of any change.

Do you want to keep paying artificial prices for cars? Change will not come by itself if consumers don&#039;t do something. Stop buying proton is the single most effective way of forcing our distorted market to change for the better. If you can&#039;t see the cause and effect then you shouldn&#039;t comment on other people&#039;s maturity.</description>
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<p>a journey of a thousand miles begin with a single step. the first step to a liberalized market is to get rid of proton. Of course prices won&#8217;t come down immediately but more competition and removal of non-tariff barriers will eventually bring down prices and benefit consumers. But as it is, proton stands in the way of any change.</p>
<p>Do you want to keep paying artificial prices for cars? Change will not come by itself if consumers don&#8217;t do something. Stop buying proton is the single most effective way of forcing our distorted market to change for the better. If you can&#8217;t see the cause and effect then you shouldn&#8217;t comment on other people&#8217;s maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ooi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57149</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honda_driver
Stick to topic is good, but having holistic view on auto market sometime is necessary as everyone can discuss auto sector in objective manner.
 
1. AP is illegal under WTO and to be abolished by 2010.
2. China capacity to manufacture and/or produce car are 20 million by 2010. Local demand expected to take up 10 million and left another 10 million for export. China-Asean forum work toward FTA arrangement. Therefore in future, our market will flooded with Chinese made/assemble cars.
3. Under Japanese-Malaysia FTA - our G has commitment to open our market including car sector by 2010.
4. We are in nego with USA on FTA and expected to be finalize by June 07. This further open our market to  all front in this merciless and vicious yet unpredictable biz environment. Therefore, P1 is sure gone case if can&#039;t find foreign partner or become contract assembler! 
5. AFTA is just a litmus test yet P1 still unable to export in million volume as well as high % compare to domestic market. 
6. Why VW come in Malaysia simply for their biz plan to penetrate market in this region.

With the above scenario, especially Chinese car or foreign assemble car in China, the market will flooded with all kind of models with the lowest price possilbe, yet P1 still unable to put up good show. This is the likely future scenario and electronic or computer sector already proof it under open market.

Look at below comments I posted on other section how P1/NAP or the like &quot;white elephants&quot; projects have impact on our hard earn RM: -
 
If there are no â€œwhite elephantsâ€ sucking rakyat money like Perwaja, P1, MAS, etc that need G protection and/or bail out. If our GLCs are properly manage and truely economically viable, previously our RM and Sing Dollar is â€œsplitâ€ during 1970s. Say today all our GLCs make tonne of monies and enrich our nation coffer yet our RM is so strong (just like Brunei Dollar) and 1:1 with Sing Dollar. Without P1 in the first place, today with better income, high RM value and on par with Singapore purchasing power parity (PPP), the cars including Civic we buy under open market is equivalent to RM 32,859.54 only (now easily 3 - 4 time). This is suppose the reality and high standard of living we suppose to enjoy, but all that AP King, crocs and cronies thingy shattered and manipulating our hard earn money. 

Remembered this small red dot Sing Island is without natural resources and the only advantage is port only. We have many natural resources including petrol, palm oil, timber, etc. If all these properly manage and we value metrocracy and put human talent on full use, today our RM even may stronger than Sing Dollar. Before crisis 1997, RM 1 = USD 2.4, and now 2006 Sing D 1 = RM 2.3. If our RM appreciate at the rate of the way it depreciate for the last 10 year, then today our RM 1 may = USD 1. Therefore, with high living standard like US, we can purchase Civic at RM 21,290 only - really real damn bargain â€œcheap-cheapâ€. 

If the P1 is protected for another 22 years, may be our RM depreciate to 10% of today value, so Waja say like Iswara still in the market, the selling price may be RM 590K - damn so â€œexpensiveâ€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honda_driver<br />
Stick to topic is good, but having holistic view on auto market sometime is necessary as everyone can discuss auto sector in objective manner.</p>
<p>1. AP is illegal under WTO and to be abolished by 2010.<br />
2. China capacity to manufacture and/or produce car are 20 million by 2010. Local demand expected to take up 10 million and left another 10 million for export. China-Asean forum work toward FTA arrangement. Therefore in future, our market will flooded with Chinese made/assemble cars.<br />
3. Under Japanese-Malaysia FTA &#8211; our G has commitment to open our market including car sector by 2010.<br />
4. We are in nego with USA on FTA and expected to be finalize by June 07. This further open our market to  all front in this merciless and vicious yet unpredictable biz environment. Therefore, P1 is sure gone case if can&#8217;t find foreign partner or become contract assembler!<br />
5. AFTA is just a litmus test yet P1 still unable to export in million volume as well as high % compare to domestic market.<br />
6. Why VW come in Malaysia simply for their biz plan to penetrate market in this region.</p>
<p>With the above scenario, especially Chinese car or foreign assemble car in China, the market will flooded with all kind of models with the lowest price possilbe, yet P1 still unable to put up good show. This is the likely future scenario and electronic or computer sector already proof it under open market.</p>
<p>Look at below comments I posted on other section how P1/NAP or the like &#8220;white elephants&#8221; projects have impact on our hard earn RM: -</p>
<p>If there are no â€œwhite elephantsâ€ sucking rakyat money like Perwaja, P1, MAS, etc that need G protection and/or bail out. If our GLCs are properly manage and truely economically viable, previously our RM and Sing Dollar is â€œsplitâ€ during 1970s. Say today all our GLCs make tonne of monies and enrich our nation coffer yet our RM is so strong (just like Brunei Dollar) and 1:1 with Sing Dollar. Without P1 in the first place, today with better income, high RM value and on par with Singapore purchasing power parity (PPP), the cars including Civic we buy under open market is equivalent to RM 32,859.54 only (now easily 3 &#8211; 4 time). This is suppose the reality and high standard of living we suppose to enjoy, but all that AP King, crocs and cronies thingy shattered and manipulating our hard earn money. </p>
<p>Remembered this small red dot Sing Island is without natural resources and the only advantage is port only. We have many natural resources including petrol, palm oil, timber, etc. If all these properly manage and we value metrocracy and put human talent on full use, today our RM even may stronger than Sing Dollar. Before crisis 1997, RM 1 = USD 2.4, and now 2006 Sing D 1 = RM 2.3. If our RM appreciate at the rate of the way it depreciate for the last 10 year, then today our RM 1 may = USD 1. Therefore, with high living standard like US, we can purchase Civic at RM 21,290 only &#8211; really real damn bargain â€œcheap-cheapâ€. </p>
<p>If the P1 is protected for another 22 years, may be our RM depreciate to 10% of today value, so Waja say like Iswara still in the market, the selling price may be RM 590K &#8211; damn so â€œexpensiveâ€</p>
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		<title>By: honda_driver</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57088</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe ooi and sam gan. do you think the whole issue of car pricing is as simple as avoiding proton and all will be well, and tommorow we will wake up and be able to afford our golf Gti at RM80,000 or some dumb figure like that?   your comments are so immature, telling people to stop buying a proton.  If proton closes down today, what do you think car prices will be like tommorow? 

as of today, the govt. is still more than happy to hand out more AP&#039;s, hence more imported cars coming in = more tax revenue.

Besides, this is a blog that reports on automotive news, and comments should be related to that news alone.  I think many people have already told you joe ooi, please stick to the topic.  If you want to pursue your own personal agenda, I suggest you start your own blog, and you can talk about the &quot;G&quot;, and &quot;P1&quot; all you like, and people who also get their kicks out of that can go there and hang out with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe ooi and sam gan. do you think the whole issue of car pricing is as simple as avoiding proton and all will be well, and tommorow we will wake up and be able to afford our golf Gti at RM80,000 or some dumb figure like that?   your comments are so immature, telling people to stop buying a proton.  If proton closes down today, what do you think car prices will be like tommorow? </p>
<p>as of today, the govt. is still more than happy to hand out more AP&#8217;s, hence more imported cars coming in = more tax revenue.</p>
<p>Besides, this is a blog that reports on automotive news, and comments should be related to that news alone.  I think many people have already told you joe ooi, please stick to the topic.  If you want to pursue your own personal agenda, I suggest you start your own blog, and you can talk about the &#8220;G&#8221;, and &#8220;P1&#8243; all you like, and people who also get their kicks out of that can go there and hang out with you.</p>
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		<title>By: SamGan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57049</link>
		<dc:creator>SamGan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Joe Ooi. Long suffering consumers in Malaysia should stand together and say, &quot;Enough is enough!&quot;  Avoid buying a proton as far as possible. Even if your budget is limited, there are many other makes to choose from and second hand cars can be considered.  Proton is the cause of our distorted car market and it is in the consumers&#039; power to put things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Joe Ooi. Long suffering consumers in Malaysia should stand together and say, &#8220;Enough is enough!&#8221;  Avoid buying a proton as far as possible. Even if your budget is limited, there are many other makes to choose from and second hand cars can be considered.  Proton is the cause of our distorted car market and it is in the consumers&#8217; power to put things right.</p>
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		<title>By: nmh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57047</link>
		<dc:creator>nmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suddenly VW become active in malaysia lately. hope soon will be world&#039;s local car...beat toyota</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suddenly VW become active in malaysia lately. hope soon will be world&#8217;s local car&#8230;beat toyota</p>
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		<title>By: jeanloo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57039</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this fella is in his 30&#039;s kot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this fella is in his 30&#8217;s kot</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ooi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57026</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adrian, it is still possible that the representative is the son of owner and he is the one that going to use the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adrian, it is still possible that the representative is the son of owner and he is the one that going to use the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ooi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57025</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NeedGoodCar, if you or me want to waite for any car (model) reasonably price and afforable (under open market). Fisrt thing to do are STOP THE BUYING (P1) - STOP THE BLOOD SUCKING. Take back our right of &quot;free to choose&quot;, remove &quot;force to choose&quot; (NAP). The power to choose is in our hand. No amount of laws and policies can be pass by G to protect P1 if we exercise our right to choose (purchasing power).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeedGoodCar, if you or me want to waite for any car (model) reasonably price and afforable (under open market). Fisrt thing to do are STOP THE BUYING (P1) &#8211; STOP THE BLOOD SUCKING. Take back our right of &#8220;free to choose&#8221;, remove &#8220;force to choose&#8221; (NAP). The power to choose is in our hand. No amount of laws and policies can be pass by G to protect P1 if we exercise our right to choose (purchasing power).</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57024</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you guys read the star online, you&#039;ll see that it says the guy receiving the key is the representative for the buyer. It&#039;s not his car. All this spoilt rich kid talk for nothing eyy??.... http://star-motoring.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/1/motornews/20061201183749&amp;sec=motornews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you guys read the star online, you&#8217;ll see that it says the guy receiving the key is the representative for the buyer. It&#8217;s not his car. All this spoilt rich kid talk for nothing eyy??&#8230;. <a href="http://star-motoring.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/1/motornews/20061201183749&amp;sec=motornews" rel="nofollow">http://star-motoring.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/1/motornews/20061201183749&amp;sec=motornews</a></p>
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		<title>By: NeedGoodCar</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57022</link>
		<dc:creator>NeedGoodCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wanted to get a passat and was thinking it may be in the region of 160k, alas, dream shattered...they brought in the high trim version...228k...thanks NAP...helps me to keep my money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wanted to get a passat and was thinking it may be in the region of 160k, alas, dream shattered&#8230;they brought in the high trim version&#8230;228k&#8230;thanks NAP&#8230;helps me to keep my money</p>
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		<title>By: aksMs</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57017</link>
		<dc:creator>aksMs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very typical of us lots. When we see young people buying/driving luxury cars, we tend to assume, &#039;aah...damn rich kids or daddy bought them lah&#039;. It&#039;s always like that isn&#039;t it? Sure, there&#039;s a lot of youngsters enjoying their parents wealthiness. But, how do we know it&#039;s not their own hard earned money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very typical of us lots. When we see young people buying/driving luxury cars, we tend to assume, &#8216;aah&#8230;damn rich kids or daddy bought them lah&#8217;. It&#8217;s always like that isn&#8217;t it? Sure, there&#8217;s a lot of youngsters enjoying their parents wealthiness. But, how do we know it&#8217;s not their own hard earned money?</p>
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		<title>By: topgunthang</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-57014</link>
		<dc:creator>topgunthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes....if u have noticed....alot of overseas students who are on scholarship are usually from rich families and they arent very bright to say the least. to see these few makes me certain there are tons more in US or UK with the same circumstances.

went into a hostel once and surprisingly most if not all are from well off families. if those fellors having 12 A1&#039;s in spm and still cant get a measely local U scholarship  know about it they&#039;d be pissing blood. i know i nearly was even though i didnt score anywhere near 12 A1. 


anyway....that guy is a lucky guy. give him the benefit of doubt first. he&#039;ll appreciate the car more if it was earned with his own blood and sweat. looks like an artist or engineer to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes&#8230;.if u have noticed&#8230;.alot of overseas students who are on scholarship are usually from rich families and they arent very bright to say the least. to see these few makes me certain there are tons more in US or UK with the same circumstances.</p>
<p>went into a hostel once and surprisingly most if not all are from well off families. if those fellors having 12 A1&#8217;s in spm and still cant get a measely local U scholarship  know about it they&#8217;d be pissing blood. i know i nearly was even though i didnt score anywhere near 12 A1. </p>
<p>anyway&#8230;.that guy is a lucky guy. give him the benefit of doubt first. he&#8217;ll appreciate the car more if it was earned with his own blood and sweat. looks like an artist or engineer to me.</p>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-56998</link>
		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 11:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ya la, FAMA sponsor sure can get. When I was in U few years back, in my college the father gave the daughter a porsche to drive to the faculty which is a </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya la, FAMA sponsor sure can get. When I was in U few years back, in my college the father gave the daughter a porsche to drive to the faculty which is a</p>
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		<title>By: protonGL</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-56996</link>
		<dc:creator>protonGL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 11:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>father give la...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>father give la&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-56990</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thesedays... young people already can afford cars over RM200K. Really respect their capability la.

Congrats !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thesedays&#8230; young people already can afford cars over RM200K. Really respect their capability la.</p>
<p>Congrats !</p>
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		<title>By: drM</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2006/12/02/wearnes-hands-over-first-volkswagen-batch/#comment-56986</link>
		<dc:creator>drM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first Golf GTI ? ait? 

I thought I saw one in Penang some months ago? Or this is the official launch from the WV Group Malaysia?

but, that GTI really awesome. wonder how it will fare compared to the Focus STi? 

Ford? Hello?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first Golf GTI ? ait? </p>
<p>I thought I saw one in Penang some months ago? Or this is the official launch from the WV Group Malaysia?</p>
<p>but, that GTI really awesome. wonder how it will fare compared to the Focus STi? </p>
<p>Ford? Hello?</p>
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