"where in the definition of notorious, does it say anything about being moronic? which part of unlawful or immoral did you read as not being ‘bad’?"

Log on:

http://www.oup.com/elt/catalogue/teachersites/oal…

1. no•tori•ous /ntris; NAmE no/ adj. ~ (for sth / for doing sth)| ~ (as sth) well known for being bad: a notorious criminal The country is notorious for its appalling prison conditions. The bar has become notorious as a meeting-place for drug dealers.

2. moron /mrn; NAmE rn/ noun (informal) an offensive way of referring to sb that you think is very stupid: They’re a bunch of morons. You moron—now look what you’ve done!

3.bad /bd/ adj., noun, adv.

adj. (worse /ws; NAmE wrs/ worst /wst; NAmE wrst/)

UNPLEASANT

1 unpleasant; full of problems: bad news / weather / dreams / habits I’m having a really bad day. It was the worst experience of her life. Smoking gives you bad breath. Things are bad enough without our own guns shelling us.

POOR QUALITY

2 of poor quality; below an acceptable standard: bad conditions / driving a bad copy / diet I thought it was a very bad article. This isn’t as bad as I thought. That’s not a bad idea.

NOT GOOD AT STH

3 ~ at sth / at doing sth (of a person) not able to do sth well or in an acceptable way poor: a bad teacher You’re a bad liar! He’s a bad loser (= he complains when he loses a game). She is so bad at keeping secrets.

notorious = (as sth) well known for being bad

moron = an offensive way of referring to sb that you think is very stupid

bad = not able to do sth well or in an acceptable way poor

So, the Oxford dictionary meaning for the above neither show I am wrong 100% nor correct 100%, depend on how you use the above word.

But your writing on me is NOT GOOD AT STH = You’re a bad liar!

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soporific said,

"how come you didn’t use oxford to establish the fact that the dust has settled down?"

This one does not required Oxford. Since you are the one Ox-fart here and Ox-fart there, it is "noxious methane GAS", not dust. If you can't differentiate between gas and dust, go and refer to Oxford to find out for your self.

OK, we have a lot of differences, but still like to say merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2007 to you. Any resolution?

Me? my resolution is let 2007 witness the car prices crashing down like avalanche of volcanic ashes.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooD!

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soporific said,

"the oxford is quite reliable. your use of it, Joe Ooi, is what is dodgy."

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At least now you have slightly not so low level of judgement. Good luck to see you has some improvement but can't agree with your Dr. spin argument!

And, it could be argued, so have a few of the posters.

MS

where in the definition of notorious, does it say anything about being moronic? which part of unlawful or immoral did you read as not being 'bad'?

how about looking up the oxford for the definitions of bad and seeing if it means moron?

obviously, when you surmised that i made a summary conclusion without backing up what i said, you didn't read my comment properly.

but that's to be expected from someone on his own, declared that 'the dust settled down'.

how come you didn't use oxford to establish the fact that the dust has settled down?

how about a better use of the oxford dictionary for you? to improve your english.

merry christmas to you too.

ho, ho, ho, ho, ……. merry Christmas!

Joe Ooi's review is sincere and he speaks the fact. I read a couple of his posts, does makes sense though I don't read all of them cause sometimes it's too long!! Joe Ooi: No offense ok? I think Paul Tan and Joe Ooi gives a balance view. Paul Tan is more on the passive side when reviewing and Joe Ooi is more aggressive.

We are all humans and we do things differently. So I think it's not fair to flame Joe

Ooi for being an outspoken critic of proton. When there is criticism only than can there be improvement.

Now auto market bad, even Camry 3 year old also around RM 80 – 90K, very afforable to me! Consider seriously to buy one and forget about all nitty-gritty problems plagueing my Waja. I just want to get over all this non-sense and get on with my life as far as I am as a car user is concerned. New Camry (but not Merc or Beemer) also can afford to buy but just don't want to pay the hefty tax under crappy NAP!

" ……..are an idiot as described by any number of sources so far on this posting.”

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Ho, ho, ho, ………… merry Christmas, some one top here quote from un-substantiated sources are more "reliable" than credible Oxford Dictionary – must be Dr. spin that is very good in Ox-farting in Paul Tan Blog.

Aiya, so many posting out of topic, sorry lah Paul Tan …….. "pai seh lah"

Since they play dirty, I am not changing my 10 years old satria. I am not going to let them earn any more of my money unneccessary. I don’t buy new cars see how they can tax.

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BIG YES to you dude – suppor you one more time, this is the right attitude to take preventive action to avoid P1/NAP futher exploiting our hard earn pocket money to enrich themselve. Only one action louder than ranting:-

1. STOP THE BUYING – STOP THE SUCKING.

Take back our right of "FREE TO CHOOSE" by stop the buying, which in turn force P1/NAP "eat the dust" and leadto free market (2010 and beyond)! Kick out the "FORCE TO CHOOSE" under P1/NAP protective but counter productive measure that design to suck RM to the last ringgit that make the consumer poorer but never earn any foreign currency in the true sense to enrich Bolehland. Even current export need to be subsidize by RM and dump into oversea for foreigner to enjoy better quality and yet relatively lower price (take into CBU unit including logistic cost).

My Waja also using kereta potong Honda Accord absorber that still perform well (believed to be more than 5 year) compare to "original" that last for around a year only. I make sure they don't make "idiot profit" from me anymore! My power window kong, let it be. open door when pay toll but don't want to repair so that they can't suck further my money!

2.

“RnD is to develope high skill worker”

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R & D is where innovation begins. Modern R & D concept is not originated but at least start form Renaisssance Period (1400 – 1600) of the European history. Can I say Da Vinci Code is part of it? Definitely you will agree with me if you really study and understand Renaissance history.

But to sum up what is R & D means. It is simply covered innovation that lead to continuos improvement, new finding, or better than existing inventions. R & D is not a centre to develop high skill worker, BUT it need intelligent and highly skill workers to be employed in R & D centre so as new product with better improvement and meet current or future expectation in the market – invention that ahead of competitor or it time.

Do P1 products ahead of its time or competitors? The clear answer is BIG NO, even Iswara is a stone age model. So P1's R & D is practically on name only, but never translate into its product(s).

"Joe Ooi

that was simply the most bizarrely incorrect use of language and logic i have ever seen.

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No thank to "good English teacher". Are you want to start another round of bout? There is no further explananation of what you write and that is your right of opinion!

But to let you learn new meaning/equation: -

soporific = Dr. spin

You are better than Oxford Dictionary by Ox-fart here and there by release obnoxious gas…………..

"he can be notorious for doing something immoral or unlawful, but he would probably have to be successful at it to be notorious."

The above statement by you clearly shown you have good understanding and by spining the use of English word – but just let you know, the above statement by you has another equivalent: -

=Machiavellian Approach

Log on the following perhaps let you understand what you exactly said: -

http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince00.htm

Or I summarize it as below that shown your selfish and dangerous traits that may without due consideration to the welfare and safety of the society at large: -

The Prince (1513) is the proponent of this modern political philosophy offered a perspective of the successful political power pursuit through its own set of “modus operandi”; including shrewd act of violence and trickery that would always mutually exclusive with the norm of morality or religious values in private life.

So, you can do whatever it take to be successful including thru notorious way?

Furhter you mentioned "…….. as shown by your tasteless and useless use (hoho, oxymoron alert!) of the Oxford dictionary, are an idiot as described by any number of sources so far on this posting."

Ho, ho, you even "Ox-farting" the Oxford Dictionary?????????????????

where are all potong 'user id' like lembu and friends?

Touch n' Go only kah? one day appear hantam sana-sini and don't come back.

Since sunday cuti and monday as usual got lots of meeting and follow up of all kerja2 yang tak buat last week.. so.. tak login la..

Since you've started the name calling and all.. continue lah fight …

cannot defend the paymaster with hard facts then start hantaming 'real people' user id like moron and dare say 'real people' are moron.

tanda-tanda of employed or 'so blind' free-of-charge spin doctors.

"Joe Ooi

What makes you believe that VW’s business plan is really to capture the SEA market?"

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That is all the time what we read from the news about VW biz plan to penetrate the auto market in this part of region. Even any takover of P1 by VW if materialize, shall be synergize with this biz plan. That is why any minority share in P1 definitely mean there is no management control, therefore there is no effective way to decide and steer the future direction of P1 the way they see it fit, especially fit into their biz plan – assemble VW car by utilizing Tg. Malim plant.

But looking at the way P1 behave, and if this "on-off-on-off" partnership nego still drag on, now at least beyond Feb 2007. There is no surprise if VW "give up and fed up" with this nego due to P1's ego" and decided to set-up plant perhaps at Thailand or Indonesia to fulfill it biz plan. Time is money and opportunity once go never comeback. See how Indon overtake us in FDI. I think VW is "generous and patient" enough to nego with P1.

Look at Geely, previously plan to set-up assembly plant in Malaysia. But our G "intelligent officer" imposed conditions of not allowing them to assemble car below 1.6L and have to export 80% of the cars is for sure way to fend off potential competition to P1. This kind of "rubbish" conditions just drive off FDI and Indonesia have to thank our G "intelligent officer" as Geely eventually decided to set up their assembly plant there! If VW take a same route like Geely, that is likely the end of P1 to find suitable foreign tie up at least current opportunity available to P1!

December 11, 2006 @ 5:08

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Bro..power window is not RND..its more to manufacturing failure/ supplier defect..

yeah malaysian automotive company (naza,inokom and perodua) can do like other car assembler in Thailand and indon…they can assemble and make profit..but for worker..they just an assembler (screw /unscrew) no knowledge gained..

“RnD is to develope high skill worker”

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just my experience la peyno,

i did fix the power window my self, motor, steel railing and steel cable are strong its just a piece of plastic holding a small pully broken,

my opinion is that can that the small little plastic should be supported by batter steel bracket or simply made of steel,

it actuall a small piece of a problem, cant proton ractify that problem

cant proton ammend the design a bit ,cant proton ask the vendor to change that piece, CANT proton rejecet thing that failed OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

ractifying the problem and solve the problem for batter use is "R&D' isnt it??

so R&D whatttt?

not to say yet to make something bombastic……

not yet to solve the rust of 3 4 years old iswara,at its panel support point

not yet to solve cheap plastic peeling off

not yet to solve side door pocket fall off of 1.3 model

miss allingn satria rear hatch door,

auxilary hole in the mudguard that letting dirts on the battery tray and near powersteering resevoir,(leaving the question ..where the sand come from..)

waja one side rear tyre wear

after all what make the car all parties involves , so any thing wrong R&D responsible for all these parties to ractify an develop improvements on,

or what they do?

correcet me if im wrong…..

I think I'll migrate

December 9, 2006 @ 11:02 pm

If Proton goes to hell, and open market exists, what car can i buy with my mere budget of RM45K?? A Golf 1.6 can or not?

here is a lists post by some 1 from this blog long ago. go check it out ur self.

http://www.customs.gov.my/html/cbu2006warta.htm

December 9, 2006 @ 10:01 pm

It wrote there, Malaysia’s biggest R&D, so what, that’s because it’s a big car company from monopoly, of couse the R&D is big. If the R&D is so good, how come the power window got problem. The most basic things like Airbags and ABS don’t have. To earn money, you need customers to buy your car. No point to boast R&D if your quality like shit and can’t sell. Customers not stupid nowadays. If they spend so much money on R&D why sell so little and also ancient cars. If I were them, I’d R&D hybrid and electric cars and be the pioneer in alternative fuel cars where other manufacturer is still rather new. I’d spend 100% of my R&D there.

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Bro..power window is not RND..its more to manufacturing failure/ supplier defect..

yeah malaysian automotive company (naza,inokom and perodua) can do like other car assembler in Thailand and indon…they can assemble and make profit..but for worker..they just an assembler (screw /unscrew) no knowledge gained..

"RnD is to develope high skill worker"