Comments on: Analyzing fuel quality in Malaysia – 3 out of 6 already Euro II compliant for petrol! http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:18:58 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: wms5555 http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-197921 wms5555 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:31:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-197921 Actually A-F company are following the alphabet:- A BHP B Caltex C Esso Mobil D Petronas E Projet F Shell Actually A-F company are following the alphabet:-

A BHP
B Caltex
C Esso Mobil
D Petronas
E Projet
F Shell

]]> By: charles27 http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-197882 charles27 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:34:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-197882 dont pump petroNUS laa... everytime price increase.. he said no profit.. then year end dec 2008 announce billions of profit. BS dont pump petroNUS laa…
everytime price increase.. he said no profit.. then year end dec 2008 announce billions of profit. BS

]]> By: ront http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-143226 ront Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:08:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-143226 the RVP (Reid Vapour Pressure) might not be the criteria that fails the Euro II thing.....the higher RVP simply means the fuel is more volatile (easier to evaporate) under same conditions. that said...its the sulphur content that does the most damage.....now ask yourself this......where's our low sulphur crude oil we get offshore ah?? the RVP (Reid Vapour Pressure) might not be the criteria that fails the Euro II thing…..the higher RVP simply means the fuel is more volatile (easier to evaporate) under same conditions.

that said…its the sulphur content that does the most damage…..now ask yourself this……where’s our low sulphur crude oil we get offshore ah??

]]> By: BrakeFader http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70205 BrakeFader Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:26:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70205 If some gas stations are already compliant, they should proudly publicise their fuel standard. Atleast consumers will know which fuel gives them cleaner and efficient fuel. So far the only hype they pull is fuel economy. BTW Paul, have you consider making a write up comparison on the fuel economy in Malaysia? Every company claims that they offer more mileage, why not put it to the test? If some gas stations are already compliant, they should proudly publicise their fuel standard. Atleast consumers will know which fuel gives them cleaner and efficient fuel. So far the only hype they pull is fuel economy. BTW Paul, have you consider making a write up comparison on the fuel economy in Malaysia? Every company claims that they offer more mileage, why not put it to the test?

]]> By: shagalot http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70052 shagalot Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:48:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70052 These Stats are from 2004, and we are now in 2007, since 2004, almost all the petrol companies release new version of fuel, such as Primax 3, etc... and so, there is no point knowing which companies does ABCD represents, cause at the end of the day, the formulas have changed, and any other companies may be bad then may be the leader today... These Stats are from 2004, and we are now in 2007, since 2004, almost all the petrol companies release new version of fuel, such as Primax 3, etc… and so, there is no point knowing which companies does ABCD represents, cause at the end of the day, the formulas have changed, and any other companies may be bad then may be the leader today…

]]> By: KL-ATR http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70007 KL-ATR Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:59:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-70007 All we need to know is who's Fuel D. Can someone working in D verify which company this is? Your company will get a lot more users based on the stats above. ;-) All we need to know is who’s Fuel D. Can someone working in D verify which company this is? Your company will get a lot more users based on the stats above. ;-)

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69980 maibatsu_thunder Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:38:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69980 Paul thanks for posting this informative article. I hope this spurs more researchers to come forward and share/publish their findings on widely read sites such as this one. This means that: a) Fuel companies should be able to upgrade to EURO4 much more easily than before, without extra cost incurred at the retail side. b) EURO4 fuel means we can enjoy the latest batch of Diesels from European markets as manufacturers can introduce these models without any service/maintenance problems. Good low down torque means you don't have to rev past 2000-2500 to get to work and back everyday, meaning fuel sipping commuting! Can save $$$. c) Since the barrel prices for oil have fallen back to US$60, but retail prices in Malaysia remain hiked up (the recent sudden 19% increase), the oil companies can switch to EURO4 gratis if they wanted to! d) Another thought. We the people have to bear the cost of all these emission laws, but what about factories, shipping (diesels) and aviation - no such requirements for them right? e) I hope your article spurs on more people to ask questions - and that fuel companies start publishing and/or displaying fuel information at their stations!! Readers - please write in, and Paul - please post the e-mail addresses and toll free customer service numbers for the fuel companies in Malaysia so all the readers can write/call and start asking questions. Be an intelligent consumer! Paul thanks for posting this informative article. I hope this spurs more researchers to come forward and share/publish their findings on widely read sites such as this one.

This means that:
a) Fuel companies should be able to upgrade to EURO4 much more easily than before, without extra cost incurred at the retail side.
b) EURO4 fuel means we can enjoy the latest batch of Diesels from European markets as manufacturers can introduce these models without any service/maintenance problems. Good low down torque means you don’t have to rev past 2000-2500 to get to work and back everyday, meaning fuel sipping commuting! Can save $$$.
c) Since the barrel prices for oil have fallen back to US$60, but retail prices in Malaysia remain hiked up (the recent sudden 19% increase), the oil companies can switch to EURO4 gratis if they wanted to!
d) Another thought. We the people have to bear the cost of all these emission laws, but what about factories, shipping (diesels) and aviation – no such requirements for them right?
e) I hope your article spurs on more people to ask questions – and that fuel companies start publishing and/or displaying fuel information at their stations!! Readers – please write in, and Paul – please post the e-mail addresses and toll free customer service numbers for the fuel companies in Malaysia so all the readers can write/call and start asking questions. Be an intelligent consumer!

]]> By: bugbear http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69965 bugbear Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:14:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69965 do u guys know they actually exchange/shares their fuel when they running out of stock, especially diesel do u guys know they actually exchange/shares their fuel when they running out of stock, especially diesel

]]> By: i'm run http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69943 i'm run Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:05:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69943 Paul, you mispell Caltex. Paul, you mispell Caltex.

]]> By: Paul Tan http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69939 Paul Tan Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:12:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69939 Dogster: higher octane has higher resistance to knocking (premature ignition), which allows you to have a leaner air-fuel mixture, or more advanced ignition timing, or a higher compression ratio. Dogster: higher octane has higher resistance to knocking (premature ignition), which allows you to have a leaner air-fuel mixture, or more advanced ignition timing, or a higher compression ratio.

]]> By: matkamil http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69935 matkamil Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:27:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69935 If you look at the petronas roadmap in the document, Euro IV will be introduced in 2010. If you look at the petronas roadmap in the document, Euro IV will be introduced in 2010.

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69932 mystvearn Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:16:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69932 why not jump to current Euro4 standard? If I were a foreigner reading newspaper, I would joke myself about the current fuel quality malaysia is using why not jump to current Euro4 standard? If I were a foreigner reading newspaper, I would joke myself about the current fuel quality malaysia is using

]]> By: Dogster http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69931 Dogster Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:15:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69931 "Something else interesting to note - all of the fuel’s octane rating varies and Fuel D’s octane is the highest and closest to RON98 at 97.7 octane. Fuel E has the lowest octane rating, at 96.4 it is even lower than the RON97 it advertises! Once again, I just wish I knew which fuel comes from which company." Well does the higher octane burns faster or slower?? If it does, then we can actually guess one out of the 6 in the list :P if not 2 “Something else interesting to note – all of the fuel’s octane rating varies and Fuel D’s octane is the highest and closest to RON98 at 97.7 octane. Fuel E has the lowest octane rating, at 96.4 it is even lower than the RON97 it advertises! Once again, I just wish I knew which fuel comes from which company.”

Well does the higher octane burns faster or slower?? If it does, then we can actually guess one out of the 6 in the list :P if not 2

]]> By: Dogster http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69930 Dogster Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:15:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69930 "Something else interesting to note - all of the fuel’s octane rating varies and Fuel D’s octane is the highest and closest to RON98 at 97.7 octane. Fuel E has the lowest octane rating, at 96.4 it is even lower than the RON97 it advertises! Once again, I just wish I knew which fuel comes from which company." Well does the higher octane burns faster or slower?? If it does, then we can actually guess one out of the 6 in the list :P “Something else interesting to note – all of the fuel’s octane rating varies and Fuel D’s octane is the highest and closest to RON98 at 97.7 octane. Fuel E has the lowest octane rating, at 96.4 it is even lower than the RON97 it advertises! Once again, I just wish I knew which fuel comes from which company.”

Well does the higher octane burns faster or slower?? If it does, then we can actually guess one out of the 6 in the list :P

]]> By: matkamil http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69928 matkamil Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:21:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69928 The government should concentrate on the enforcement of the emmission law than the hiking of petrol price. Let me quote mr. Roland Hass of GTZ. In 2004 he said "Another example is cars.There are no prototype tests in which new models are thoroughly inspected by an independent authority before they are approved for the market.“In other words, the companies operating here give themselves their own stamp of approval that their new model fulfils the legal standards,” says Haas.Only the commercially used diesel vehicles are required to have exhaust gas inspections twice a year. And here, they can fiddle. In the case of cars, the regulations only apply to new vehicles. But, for example, even the new but technically rather obsolete Proton “Saga”,Malaysia’s VW Beetle, still roars through the streets of the city without being forced to comply with the standards for newly developed vehicles" The Government should strictly impose the law on automobile companies to supply cars with euro II or euro IV compliance engines. The government should concentrate on the enforcement of the emmission law than the hiking of petrol price.

Let me quote mr. Roland Hass of GTZ. In 2004 he said “Another example is cars.There are no prototype tests in which new models are thoroughly inspected by an independent authority before they are approved for the market.“In other words, the companies operating here give themselves their
own stamp of approval that their new model fulfils the legal standards,” says Haas.Only the commercially used diesel vehicles are required to have exhaust gas inspections twice a year. And here, they can fiddle. In the case of cars, the regulations only apply to new vehicles. But, for example, even the new but technically rather obsolete Proton “Saga”,Malaysia’s VW Beetle, still roars through the streets of the city without being forced to comply with the standards for newly developed vehicles”

The Government should strictly impose the law on automobile companies to supply cars with euro II or euro IV compliance engines.

]]> By: normal_user http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69926 normal_user Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:57:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69926 why don't we move to Euro4 at once? the gap of max sulfur content between Euro2 and Euro4 is too big (500 ppm vs 50ppm). For cleaner environment, Euro4 should be made compliant to all diesel vehicles. Tax reduction should also be given to purchase of new heavy vehicles especially the euro ones (MAN, Scania & Renault). Its worse here since most of heavy lorries on the road are more than 10 years old, somemore got 20+ year old lorries in rural towns. Those engines are not even euro2 compliant and somemore the exhaust smoke is worse. How to save the environment when most heavy lorries exhales black toxic smoke around us? why don’t we move to Euro4 at once? the gap of max sulfur content between Euro2 and Euro4 is too big (500 ppm vs 50ppm). For cleaner environment, Euro4 should be made compliant to all diesel vehicles. Tax reduction should also be given to purchase of new heavy vehicles especially the euro ones (MAN, Scania & Renault). Its worse here since most of heavy lorries on the road are more than 10 years old, somemore got 20+ year old lorries in rural towns. Those engines are not even euro2 compliant and somemore the exhaust smoke is worse. How to save the environment when most heavy lorries exhales black toxic smoke around us?

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69914 MyBoy Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:26:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69914 Confirm, the data is the same old data that i have read before. Or have i missed any updated (2005-6) data? Confirm, the data is the same old data that i have read before. Or have i missed any updated (2005-6) data?

]]> By: MyBoy http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69913 MyBoy Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:21:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69913 I thought i have read this report for years. Or is it an updated version for 2006? (i doubt it however) I thought i have read this report for years. Or is it an updated version for 2006? (i doubt it however)

]]> By: J http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69910 J Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:17:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69910 I heard the petrol price is rising RM0.04 soon ? I heard the petrol price is rising RM0.04 soon ?

]]> By: familyman http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69899 familyman Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:51:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69899 hardcore reading material. worthwhile info though. is this among the reason why we aren't seeing more latest diesel spec'd car models being brought in? hardcore reading material. worthwhile info though.

is this among the reason why we aren’t seeing more latest diesel spec’d car models being brought in?

]]> By: yinglwong http://paultan.org/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69898 yinglwong Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:50:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#comment-69898 Heavy reading .. but great stuff. Heavy reading ..
but great stuff.

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