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	<title>Comments on: Mercedes Benz Inline-4 engines: M266 vs M271</title>
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		<title>By: Mercedes Benz DiesOtto inline-4 engine concept</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes Benz DiesOtto inline-4 engine concept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ceteh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceteh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came accross an article in one of the local car magazine about MB opting for turbo charging in replacing supercharing in future .. very interesting article, maybe i can go look out what mag is that and post it here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came accross an article in one of the local car magazine about MB opting for turbo charging in replacing supercharing in future .. very interesting article, maybe i can go look out what mag is that and post it here. </p>
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		<title>By: aesthari</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercedes might use the engines in future models, dono, hm. Interesting comparison, the M266&#039;s specs looks more attractive though, only the displacement will be a bit of a turn off if economy is important (road tax, fuel consumption). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercedes might use the engines in future models, dono, hm. Interesting comparison, the M266&#039;s specs looks more attractive though, only the displacement will be a bit of a turn off if economy is important (road tax, fuel consumption). </p>
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		<title>By: superman</title>
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		<dc:creator>superman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reasons for not sharing?? 
 
It could be for packaging reason. Look at Honda, The F20C (followed by the F22C) in the S2000 is used ONLY in that car, whereas the Accord 2.0 &amp; 2.4 uses a totaly different engine. Capacity ain&#039;t far but yet not shared. 
 
Could also be rotational direction. If I&#039;m not mistaken a F20C has opposite direction to the K20, so if you place the K20 logitudinally the car will have  reverse and one fwd. Maybe teh Mercs are like that too? 
 
Could be either one..  
 
I wouldn&#039;t go as far as accusing MB of not parts sharing After all the AMG 5.5 litre and/or the newer 6.3 litre V8 are found in SL, SLK, CL, CLK, CLS, C, E &amp; S bodyshells.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reasons for not sharing??</p>
<p>It could be for packaging reason. Look at Honda, The F20C (followed by the F22C) in the S2000 is used ONLY in that car, whereas the Accord 2.0 &amp; 2.4 uses a totaly different engine. Capacity ain&#039;t far but yet not shared.</p>
<p>Could also be rotational direction. If I&#039;m not mistaken a F20C has opposite direction to the K20, so if you place the K20 logitudinally the car will have  reverse and one fwd. Maybe teh Mercs are like that too?</p>
<p>Could be either one.. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#039;t go as far as accusing MB of not parts sharing After all the AMG 5.5 litre and/or the newer 6.3 litre V8 are found in SL, SLK, CL, CLK, CLS, C, E &amp; S bodyshells.. </p>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would still favour the bigger M266. If you just look at the power outputs, it reaches peak power (and torque) lower on the rpm band, which means only one thing, more responsiveness in urban environments where you wont be likely to rev around at 6000rpm all day long.  
 
Once you force feed an engine, the issue of 16v DOHC and 8v SOHC is not as significant anymore, since you are already operating a positive displacement engine. On a N/A engine, a 16v Twincammer will breathe better. A SOHC engine is smaller and lighters leading to better packaging and fuel consumption. 
 
As for road tax, even for malaysia, the 1.8 and 2.0 is only off by a $100 ish per year. Not exactly significant if you can afford a $200+ K car. 
 
Turbo cars usually (but not always) better on fuel, as power is not used to power the supercharger. The compressor itself is lighter on a turbo. 
 
I find that bigger CC cars usually tend to be better than one expects on the FC issue. When I upgraded from SOHC 1.6 to SOHC 1.8 on my car, the 1.8 gave better FC, due to the fact of the better low end torque, which would allow me to stay on 5th more of the time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would still favour the bigger M266. If you just look at the power outputs, it reaches peak power (and torque) lower on the rpm band, which means only one thing, more responsiveness in urban environments where you wont be likely to rev around at 6000rpm all day long. </p>
<p>Once you force feed an engine, the issue of 16v DOHC and 8v SOHC is not as significant anymore, since you are already operating a positive displacement engine. On a N/A engine, a 16v Twincammer will breathe better. A SOHC engine is smaller and lighters leading to better packaging and fuel consumption.</p>
<p>As for road tax, even for malaysia, the 1.8 and 2.0 is only off by a $100 ish per year. Not exactly significant if you can afford a $200+ K car.</p>
<p>Turbo cars usually (but not always) better on fuel, as power is not used to power the supercharger. The compressor itself is lighter on a turbo.</p>
<p>I find that bigger CC cars usually tend to be better than one expects on the FC issue. When I upgraded from SOHC 1.6 to SOHC 1.8 on my car, the 1.8 gave better FC, due to the fact of the better low end torque, which would allow me to stay on 5th more of the time. </p>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think fuel consumption is the same with the M 271. SOHC 8 valve vs 16 valve DOHC... this is just an assumption </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think fuel consumption is the same with the M 271. SOHC 8 valve vs 16 valve DOHC&#8230; this is just an assumption </p>
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		<title>By: bummerboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bummerboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paul, how about fuel consumption? maybe that&#039;s a consideration in their product planning. i suspect though that merc is not very experienced at doing turbos so maybe they OEM the 266 from someone else. 
 
on another note, who&#039;s sharing CAMPRO?! sigh... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paul, how about fuel consumption? maybe that&#039;s a consideration in their product planning. i suspect though that merc is not very experienced at doing turbos so maybe they OEM the 266 from someone else.</p>
<p>on another note, who&#039;s sharing CAMPRO?! sigh&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: KL-ATR</title>
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		<dc:creator>KL-ATR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting table. In the interest of fuel economy, more SOHC engines are appearing. Aluminium block lightens the weight and a light boost turbo provide maximum torque at low rpm. Further indication to its fuel economy priority. The M266 has a lot of tweaking potential!!! An after-market re-chipping of the ECU can easily liberate another 30hp. 
 
The M271&#039;s 1798cc size is obviously catered for countries with unfriendly road taxation practices. We should adopt Australia&#039;s practice... roadtax based on number of cylinders but we can only dream about it. G will never sacrifice so much $$$ for the rakyat. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting table. In the interest of fuel economy, more SOHC engines are appearing. Aluminium block lightens the weight and a light boost turbo provide maximum torque at low rpm. Further indication to its fuel economy priority. The M266 has a lot of tweaking potential!!! An after-market re-chipping of the ECU can easily liberate another 30hp.</p>
<p>The M271&#039;s 1798cc size is obviously catered for countries with unfriendly road taxation practices. We should adopt Australia&#039;s practice&#8230; roadtax based on number of cylinders but we can only dream about it. G will never sacrifice so much $$$ for the rakyat. </p>
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		<title>By: proton GL</title>
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		<dc:creator>proton GL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps the goal here instead to have a big 2.5 litre normally aspiratd, 
they want a smaller engine but yet have a muscle without being a revvy sporty young at heart character, its more of a coventional application,capable of load and towing capability,  
well not sure about efficiency but this lesser sporty forced induction of this smaller engine just could save a bit of fuel when the car is under load or idling, or town speed ,in other word at low low boost, its character is more toward smaller engine for fuel consumption, 
well m266 is specially dsigned for this purpose, perhaps 
 
and m271 simply is to be varies simply by plug an playing since its form of a modern enough form for various specification, 
 
strange though m266 remind me of a volvo 940 GL Harmony engine , almost decade ago, - </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps the goal here instead to have a big 2.5 litre normally aspiratd,</p>
<p>they want a smaller engine but yet have a muscle without being a revvy sporty young at heart character, its more of a coventional application,capable of load and towing capability, </p>
<p>well not sure about efficiency but this lesser sporty forced induction of this smaller engine just could save a bit of fuel when the car is under load or idling, or town speed ,in other word at low low boost, its character is more toward smaller engine for fuel consumption,</p>
<p>well m266 is specially dsigned for this purpose, perhaps</p>
<p>and m271 simply is to be varies simply by plug an playing since its form of a modern enough form for various specification,</p>
<p>strange though m266 remind me of a volvo 940 GL Harmony engine , almost decade ago, &#8211; </p>
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		<title>By: pirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The M266 sounds like an old engine - being SOHC plus 8-valves - fitted with a turbocharger. A tech-feature in Autocar hailed it as the next gen (higher efficiency) turbo engines for Mercs. However, its absence from the new C-Class W204 is both baffling and mysterious! 
I have driven the B200T and I must admit liking its powerband better than my M271-powered E200K. Strangely, the M266 came across as a little coarser than the M271...but the turbo kick is unmistakable and intoxicating. 
 
And Paul, M271s are all-aluminium (block too) now - since the facelift of E-Class and C-Class. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The M266 sounds like an old engine &#8211; being SOHC plus 8-valves &#8211; fitted with a turbocharger. A tech-feature in Autocar hailed it as the next gen (higher efficiency) turbo engines for Mercs. However, its absence from the new C-Class W204 is both baffling and mysterious!</p>
<p>I have driven the B200T and I must admit liking its powerband better than my M271-powered E200K. Strangely, the M266 came across as a little coarser than the M271&#8230;but the turbo kick is unmistakable and intoxicating.</p>
<p>And Paul, M271s are all-aluminium (block too) now &#8211; since the facelift of E-Class and C-Class. </p>
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		<title>By: sewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paul, what is the different between the turbocharge and the supercharge? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paul, what is the different between the turbocharge and the supercharge? </p>
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		<title>By: hondadriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>hondadriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still have no idea why the m266 turbo has to exist. To me, its actually the odd one out, as it suddenly appeared among all the kompressors and transverse mounted as well.  I was guessing that it might even be a direction change for them, but the new c-class came, and not a turbo in sight... hmmm? 
 
if the m266 didnt exist, the M271 makes more sense. like how bmw does with the 323, and 325, they keep the same engine, but at different levels of tune to differentiate the different spec levels in the C-class, in this case, the 180k and 200k.  If economies of scale are anything to go by, i believe the former 2 models are the ones that will sell the most for mercedes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i still have no idea why the m266 turbo has to exist. To me, its actually the odd one out, as it suddenly appeared among all the kompressors and transverse mounted as well.  I was guessing that it might even be a direction change for them, but the new c-class came, and not a turbo in sight&#8230; hmmm?</p>
<p>if the m266 didnt exist, the M271 makes more sense. like how bmw does with the 323, and 325, they keep the same engine, but at different levels of tune to differentiate the different spec levels in the C-class, in this case, the 180k and 200k.  If economies of scale are anything to go by, i believe the former 2 models are the ones that will sell the most for mercedes. </p>
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		<title>By: 20v_ke35</title>
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		<dc:creator>20v_ke35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aik? The supercharged rpm respone at 2000??  
The turbo at 1800?? 
Yup, like protonGL said sure it a soft turbo one. Must be a large superchare there.  
Saver in roadtax? For me it still not a money saver if it consume fuel like water. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aik? The supercharged rpm respone at 2000?? </p>
<p>The turbo at 1800??</p>
<p>Yup, like protonGL said sure it a soft turbo one. Must be a large superchare there. </p>
<p>Saver in roadtax? For me it still not a money saver if it consume fuel like water. </p>
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		<title>By: proton GL</title>
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		<dc:creator>proton GL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess m266 using soft turbo, sufficient enough for 8 valver 
early torque for this characteristic, 
power peak to just 5000rpm suit for smaller turbo, 
 
no idea about m271 since paul said varies level of boost,  
m271 has smaller displacement, but powerful enough though lower than m266, prhaps winner in power per road tax, 
 
justa guess, 
 
nite... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess m266 using soft turbo, sufficient enough for 8 valver</p>
<p>early torque for this characteristic,</p>
<p>power peak to just 5000rpm suit for smaller turbo,</p>
<p>no idea about m271 since paul said varies level of boost, </p>
<p>m271 has smaller displacement, but powerful enough though lower than m266, prhaps winner in power per road tax,</p>
<p>justa guess,</p>
<p>nite&#8230; </p>
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