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	<title>Comments on: Tun M: &#8220;Remove current Proton management!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: aenz81</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-182573</link>
		<dc:creator>aenz81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tikus said,
April 23, 2007 @ 12:35 am 

Proton mgmt team is a disaster.How can they approve such models Tiara ,Juara and Arena
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**JUST A FACT**

Proton Arena was called Proton Jumbuck in Australia and it&#039;s very popular among aussie....</description>
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April 23, 2007 @ 12:35 am </p>
<p>Proton mgmt team is a disaster.How can they approve such models Tiara ,Juara and Arena<br />
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**JUST A FACT**</p>
<p>Proton Arena was called Proton Jumbuck in Australia and it&#8217;s very popular among aussie&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Peters</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-84114</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normalcardriver - &quot;Maybe racing cars or lotus cars but certainly not the ordinary cars that people need&quot; - Thanks for your insight - It ought to be read mainstream </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normalcardriver &#8211; &quot;Maybe racing cars or lotus cars but certainly not the ordinary cars that people need&quot; &#8211; Thanks for your insight &#8211; It ought to be read mainstream</p>
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		<title>By: normalcardriver</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-83705</link>
		<dc:creator>normalcardriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Mahaleel has car hard wired in the psyche. Maybe racing cars or lotus cars but certainly not the ordinary cars that people need.Thats why the Neo is 2 door when other people are building four doors.That is what you get when you syok sendiri. 
 
At home in the shop floor?Which shop floor?Lotus and Agusta shopfloor may be where he is more comfortable with?It is lucky that Protob sold off Agusta and also should sell off &#039;blood sucking &#039; Lotus.If the sale of Agusta was bad where is the uproar?The uproar comes only from two people and you know who...If they think it is a very very very bad decision,why don&#039;t they buy it maybe for 2Euro.Hah cakap pandai ...kalau duit tak da jangan cuba pakai duit orang. 
 
Mahaleel is a car racer.Tried to build racing cars for Proton and then build the huge Tanjong Malim Plant.Yeah that is eccentric and I sure do not find his equivalent in the automotive industries, however brother you got to be number one in the world then you can be eccentriclah...kalau tak you jadi muka tak malu. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think Mahaleel has car hard wired in the psyche. Maybe racing cars or lotus cars but certainly not the ordinary cars that people need.Thats why the Neo is 2 door when other people are building four doors.That is what you get when you syok sendiri.</p>
<p>At home in the shop floor?Which shop floor?Lotus and Agusta shopfloor may be where he is more comfortable with?It is lucky that Protob sold off Agusta and also should sell off &#039;blood sucking &#039; Lotus.If the sale of Agusta was bad where is the uproar?The uproar comes only from two people and you know who&#8230;If they think it is a very very very bad decision,why don&#039;t they buy it maybe for 2Euro.Hah cakap pandai &#8230;kalau duit tak da jangan cuba pakai duit orang.</p>
<p>Mahaleel is a car racer.Tried to build racing cars for Proton and then build the huge Tanjong Malim Plant.Yeah that is eccentric and I sure do not find his equivalent in the automotive industries, however brother you got to be number one in the world then you can be eccentriclah&#8230;kalau tak you jadi muka tak malu.</p>
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		<title>By: hameed koyakuti</title>
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		<dc:creator>hameed koyakuti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It difficult to let go P1 to mat salleh. If u look in the industrie, most manufacturers are nation based, which associated to a certain nation or locality. Even Carlos Ghosn is a French in certain ways. Never Renault gonna pick any american or italian to do the job, vice versa. 
 
This is not Malaysian vs Mat Salleh, Eastern vs Western kinda of deal.......... 
its a Policy maker vs Consumer agenda.......... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It difficult to let go P1 to mat salleh. If u look in the industrie, most manufacturers are nation based, which associated to a certain nation or locality. Even Carlos Ghosn is a French in certain ways. Never Renault gonna pick any american or italian to do the job, vice versa.</p>
<p>This is not Malaysian vs Mat Salleh, Eastern vs Western kinda of deal&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>its a Policy maker vs Consumer agenda&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleFire85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-83233</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleFire85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think that SKODA is worst after chec republic sold it VW.. it even make it one of europe most selling sedan car... Sometime pride kills, but brain dont.. So think before doing it.. How many years do you still need to protect P1.. This issue will not easy to let go.. it just same with the Bumiputra issue... If they let go P1, it just like let go the Bumiputra status... A lot of people will not like it... But other will be happy.. For long run i prefer a more fair trade/business, So i support to join others..GO VW or GM! STOP DREAMING P1, STOP THE DELAYING THEN STOP THE SUCKING OF PPL MONEY! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think that SKODA is worst after chec republic sold it VW.. it even make it one of europe most selling sedan car&#8230; Sometime pride kills, but brain dont.. So think before doing it.. How many years do you still need to protect P1.. This issue will not easy to let go.. it just same with the Bumiputra issue&#8230; If they let go P1, it just like let go the Bumiputra status&#8230; A lot of people will not like it&#8230; But other will be happy.. For long run i prefer a more fair trade/business, So i support to join others..GO VW or GM! STOP DREAMING P1, STOP THE DELAYING THEN STOP THE SUCKING OF PPL MONEY!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ooi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STOP DREAMING, STOP THE BUYING THEN STOP THE SUCKING! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STOP DREAMING, STOP THE BUYING THEN STOP THE SUCKING!</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, are we aware that no local company, save Proton, are currently designing originals? Remember before the launch of the Waja, Mahathir promised that once Proton emerged out of badge-engineering, Malaysians would then be proud of the national car.  
 
Proton kept the first part of the promise by introducing distinctive originals in the form of the Waja, Gen-2, Savvy and Neo, but many Malaysians appear to have not found their pride, perhaps because badge engineered models - the Saga, Wira and Perdana - which share the same brand are still being sold alongside the originals.  
 
Great car companies - Ford, Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce etc .. were infact built up by eccentrics &#226;&#8364;&#8220; With the exception of Hendry Ford, Carl Benz and Charles Rolls were hardly businessmen but were surrounded by brains in business. Mahaleel, I must say, is another eccentric. His decision to procure the non-commercial Agusta gem proves it but then, anyone who dismisses Agusta has not wholly read its history. 
 
Mindful that the Neo was mooted during his tenure, Mahaleel is the only CEO Proton had with cars hard-wired into his psyche. The man was at home on the workshop floor.  
   
That&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s what Proton floor needs. A CEO with cars hard-wired into his psyche. A &#039;businessman CEO&#039; will take Proton back the easy Perodua, Naza or Cherry &#039;badge engineering&#226;&#8364;&#8482; way. Simply put, assembling very durable but &#226;&#8364;&#732;legalized imitations&#226;&#8364;&#8482;.   
 
Such a product is nothing but a defilement of intellectual property. It is void of heritage and parasitic to its owner simply because it gobbles resources and contributes nothing to the development of the brand, not to mention the reputation of the owner.  
 
Pardon my French, but the &#039;weed up Proton&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s arse&#039; is not an eccentric CEO but the layers that bear upon itself, particularly upon its component manufacturers - the Ali Baba factor. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, are we aware that no local company, save Proton, are currently designing originals? Remember before the launch of the Waja, Mahathir promised that once Proton emerged out of badge-engineering, Malaysians would then be proud of the national car. </p>
<p>Proton kept the first part of the promise by introducing distinctive originals in the form of the Waja, Gen-2, Savvy and Neo, but many Malaysians appear to have not found their pride, perhaps because badge engineered models &#8211; the Saga, Wira and Perdana &#8211; which share the same brand are still being sold alongside the originals. </p>
<p>Great car companies &#8211; Ford, Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce etc .. were infact built up by eccentrics &acirc;&euro;&ldquo; With the exception of Hendry Ford, Carl Benz and Charles Rolls were hardly businessmen but were surrounded by brains in business. Mahaleel, I must say, is another eccentric. His decision to procure the non-commercial Agusta gem proves it but then, anyone who dismisses Agusta has not wholly read its history.</p>
<p>Mindful that the Neo was mooted during his tenure, Mahaleel is the only CEO Proton had with cars hard-wired into his psyche. The man was at home on the workshop floor. </p>
<p>That&acirc;&euro;&trade;s what Proton floor needs. A CEO with cars hard-wired into his psyche. A &#039;businessman CEO&#039; will take Proton back the easy Perodua, Naza or Cherry &#039;badge engineering&acirc;&euro;&trade; way. Simply put, assembling very durable but &acirc;&euro;&tilde;legalized imitations&acirc;&euro;&trade;.  </p>
<p>Such a product is nothing but a defilement of intellectual property. It is void of heritage and parasitic to its owner simply because it gobbles resources and contributes nothing to the development of the brand, not to mention the reputation of the owner. </p>
<p>Pardon my French, but the &#039;weed up Proton&acirc;&euro;&trade;s arse&#039; is not an eccentric CEO but the layers that bear upon itself, particularly upon its component manufacturers &#8211; the Ali Baba factor.</p>
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		<title>By: neo2</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>without protection, Malaysia will be flooded with imported cars and Proton will be moutains of scrap metal, which it will never happen, not for the next 500 years! Stop dreaming now! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>without protection, Malaysia will be flooded with imported cars and Proton will be moutains of scrap metal, which it will never happen, not for the next 500 years! Stop dreaming now!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Seleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Seleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;proven track record&quot; in a closed market that no longer exists? Has Dr. M been taking George W Bush&#039;s stupid pills? 
 
That group with the &quot;proven track record&quot; is the reason that Proton is in the crapper today. Cars designed to suit one individual&#039;s personal tastes and sensitivities went out in the 1940s and an allergy to them is the reason that Toyota is Number One on this planet. Proton spent years building what cast-off slag heaps Mitsubishi dumped at Port Klang and then moved on making cars to suit top management with little or no concern for the buying public who support such decisions with their own hard-earned Ringlet. Guess what? They walked. 
 
I can imagine the old management team would say that you &#226;&#8364;&#339;have to be a niche player&#226;&#8364; and that &#226;&#8364;&#339;volume cars are boring&#226;&#8364;. Yes, Toyotas as exemplified by the Corolla will bore an enthusiast to tears, but there are a lot more non-enthusiast buyers than enthusiasts. Also, a brief steer of a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 will tell you that if you make a mass-market sedan boring you&#039;ve got nobody to blame but yourself. Family sedans can please enthusiasts, it just takes a little will power instead of won&#039;t power.  
 
Now with competition well-established in the market and a product range based in non-competitive vehicles that are handicapped in export, Proton has to earn back the trust of Malaysian and overseas buyers. Given the fact that the range of non-competitive vehicles is courtesy of those people with a &#226;&#8364;&#339;proven track record&#226;&#8364;, it may be time for the team currently trying to untangle Mahatir&#039;s mess to develop and prove their own track record. They&#039;re capable of it and with support (and I am not talking the monetary kind) it is possible, though it will be far from easy. But with work the current Proton range is quite salvageable. Some of it is in fact a really good starting point to produce people-pleasing products. 
 
All the old group would do is find another bankrupt company to buy  (hmmm...I hear Smart and Chrysler are on the market) and then complain to the Government that Proton needs more protection. 
 
I agree that Proton sure needs continued protection  and a whole LOT of it. All from the former management and &#039;advisor&#039;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &quot;proven track record&quot; in a closed market that no longer exists? Has Dr. M been taking George W Bush&#039;s stupid pills?</p>
<p>That group with the &quot;proven track record&quot; is the reason that Proton is in the crapper today. Cars designed to suit one individual&#039;s personal tastes and sensitivities went out in the 1940s and an allergy to them is the reason that Toyota is Number One on this planet. Proton spent years building what cast-off slag heaps Mitsubishi dumped at Port Klang and then moved on making cars to suit top management with little or no concern for the buying public who support such decisions with their own hard-earned Ringlet. Guess what? They walked.</p>
<p>I can imagine the old management team would say that you &acirc;&euro;&oelig;have to be a niche player&acirc;&euro; and that &acirc;&euro;&oelig;volume cars are boring&acirc;&euro;. Yes, Toyotas as exemplified by the Corolla will bore an enthusiast to tears, but there are a lot more non-enthusiast buyers than enthusiasts. Also, a brief steer of a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 will tell you that if you make a mass-market sedan boring you&#039;ve got nobody to blame but yourself. Family sedans can please enthusiasts, it just takes a little will power instead of won&#039;t power. </p>
<p>Now with competition well-established in the market and a product range based in non-competitive vehicles that are handicapped in export, Proton has to earn back the trust of Malaysian and overseas buyers. Given the fact that the range of non-competitive vehicles is courtesy of those people with a &acirc;&euro;&oelig;proven track record&acirc;&euro;, it may be time for the team currently trying to untangle Mahatir&#039;s mess to develop and prove their own track record. They&#039;re capable of it and with support (and I am not talking the monetary kind) it is possible, though it will be far from easy. But with work the current Proton range is quite salvageable. Some of it is in fact a really good starting point to produce people-pleasing products.</p>
<p>All the old group would do is find another bankrupt company to buy  (hmmm&#8230;I hear Smart and Chrysler are on the market) and then complain to the Government that Proton needs more protection.</p>
<p>I agree that Proton sure needs continued protection  and a whole LOT of it. All from the former management and &#039;advisor&#039;.</p>
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		<title>By: Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be like perodua!!! Sold to foreigner.....not ours anymore............ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t be like perodua!!! Sold to foreigner&#8230;..not ours anymore&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BettaSplendens</title>
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		<dc:creator>BettaSplendens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a reference link: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.customs.gov.my/html/cbu2006warta.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.customs.gov.my/html/cbu2006warta.htm&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a reference link:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.customs.gov.my/html/cbu2006warta.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.customs.gov.my/html/cbu2006warta.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: haroldz</title>
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		<dc:creator>haroldz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dunno y they appointed power-hungry ex-policitian to be proton advisor? 
oh, now i get it.. 
he got a TUN- fastest Tun awardship receiver in malaysia history!! 
 
i agredd wit y&#039;all who wan2 remove all d Tun M&#039;s cronies. 
they should go 2 kencana petroleum n bcome directors 
hahaha </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno y they appointed power-hungry ex-policitian to be proton advisor?</p>
<p>oh, now i get it..</p>
<p>he got a TUN- fastest Tun awardship receiver in malaysia history!!</p>
<p>i agredd wit y&#039;all who wan2 remove all d Tun M&#039;s cronies.</p>
<p>they should go 2 kencana petroleum n bcome directors</p>
<p>hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: NiceCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiceCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LittleFire85 said, 
April 22, 2007 @ 11:29 pm  
 
oh mine.. i just found out our P1 Satria neo and Lotus europa S is second runner up of worst car and disappointment car of the year&#226;&#8364;&#166;  
 
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haha.. mayb P1 still happy with this since they had improve from &quot;champion&quot; to runner up.. 
or else P1 car will make a lagend, continuously 3 year to win the worst car of the year!!!!!!! M&#039;sia Boleh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </description>
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<p>April 22, 2007 @ 11:29 pm </p>
<p>oh mine.. i just found out our P1 Satria neo and Lotus europa S is second runner up of worst car and disappointment car of the year&acirc;&euro;&brvbar; </p>
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<p>haha.. mayb P1 still happy with this since they had improve from &quot;champion&quot; to runner up..</p>
<p>or else P1 car will make a lagend, continuously 3 year to win the worst car of the year!!!!!!! M&#039;sia Boleh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proton mgmt team is a disaster.How can they approve such models Tiara ,Juara and Arena.They are a joke then national pride.Shame to RAKYAT ! Those sitting in the board dont have taste man!!! When they are all bankarap ideal how they can manage a company? It goes bankarap too...Please sell it off to those with imaginative ideals to run the company. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proton mgmt team is a disaster.How can they approve such models Tiara ,Juara and Arena.They are a joke then national pride.Shame to RAKYAT ! Those sitting in the board dont have taste man!!! When they are all bankarap ideal how they can manage a company? It goes bankarap too&#8230;Please sell it off to those with imaginative ideals to run the company.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleFire85</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittleFire85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh mine.. i just found out our P1 Satria neo and Lotus europa S is second runner up of worst car and disappointment car of the year... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_08.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZ...&lt;/a&gt;   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_06.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZ...&lt;/a&gt;  
haiz.. you still have a lot to move up P1.. Dont always rely on Muka and emotion.. Time to change.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh mine.. i just found out our P1 Satria neo and Lotus europa S is second runner up of worst car and disappointment car of the year&#8230; <a href="http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_08.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZ&#8230;</a>   <a href="http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_06.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZ&#8230;</a><br />
haiz.. you still have a lot to move up P1.. Dont always rely on Muka and emotion.. Time to change..</p>
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		<title>By: prinzeone</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82978</link>
		<dc:creator>prinzeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently im working with NAZA...but please dont let NAZA buy proton shares since their motive is more to maximize profit but not quality product...Eventhough im in imported car division but in NAZA group profit is the main important thing to them..I think Proton can be successfull without reducing their price but increasing their quality..Im prefer Tun M rather than Pak Lah..Do u all know them well ? I dont know them well but i can differentiate between two of them....No offense guys just my personal oppinion </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently im working with NAZA&#8230;but please dont let NAZA buy proton shares since their motive is more to maximize profit but not quality product&#8230;Eventhough im in imported car division but in NAZA group profit is the main important thing to them..I think Proton can be successfull without reducing their price but increasing their quality..Im prefer Tun M rather than Pak Lah..Do u all know them well ? I dont know them well but i can differentiate between two of them&#8230;.No offense guys just my personal oppinion</p>
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		<title>By: topgunthang</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82954</link>
		<dc:creator>topgunthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zie......i know that feeling. and they said proton was suppose to make ur life better. like those type of nose &#039;sheet&#039; that you cant flick of your finger after digging your nose. but then if u make an effort to wipe it on a tissue (or under a table) its surprising easy to get rid of it.  
 
by the way....who is tun m? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zie&#8230;&#8230;i know that feeling. and they said proton was suppose to make ur life better. like those type of nose &#039;sheet&#039; that you cant flick of your finger after digging your nose. but then if u make an effort to wipe it on a tissue (or under a table) its surprising easy to get rid of it. </p>
<p>by the way&#8230;.who is tun m?</p>
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		<title>By: zie</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82947</link>
		<dc:creator>zie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so glad i bought bmw recond eventhough it&#039;s cost over 100k. Suffered for years driving proton crap.  
 
Pheww, glad it&#039;s over . </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so glad i bought bmw recond eventhough it&#039;s cost over 100k. Suffered for years driving proton crap. </p>
<p>Pheww, glad it&#039;s over .</p>
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		<title>By: darren0900</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82941</link>
		<dc:creator>darren0900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speechless, if can do 20years time what we see? Milo tin, uncle lancer? Greatest V6? Proton got gov support... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speechless, if can do 20years time what we see? Milo tin, uncle lancer? Greatest V6? Proton got gov support&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tutiger</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82940</link>
		<dc:creator>tutiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is at a T junction, either u choose left or right! And most importantly all roads are one way street!!!! And what is left to do now is &quot;do or die&quot; 
What is the old management capable of doing? Turning back time? Performing miracles? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is at a T junction, either u choose left or right! And most importantly all roads are one way street!!!! And what is left to do now is &quot;do or die&quot;</p>
<p>What is the old management capable of doing? Turning back time? Performing miracles?</p>
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		<title>By: intermilan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82927</link>
		<dc:creator>intermilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tun, 
 
You really still popular... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tun,</p>
<p>You really still popular&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cyborgx</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82920</link>
		<dc:creator>cyborgx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remove current mgt and restore old mgt? why not just remove Tun from his advisor seat and throw Proton into rubbish bin. That is more sensible than everything else. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remove current mgt and restore old mgt? why not just remove Tun from his advisor seat and throw Proton into rubbish bin. That is more sensible than everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: transformer</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82897</link>
		<dc:creator>transformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P1 need to revamp from INSIDE-OUT! 
 
even IF VW or GM took over, they would revamp the whole thing from  
INSIDE-OUT. 
 
from suppliers chain till customers... 
from materials, WIP, till end products... 
from work instruction till procedure... 
 
ITS A WHOLE ORGANIZATION REVAMP!   and SYSTEM REVAMP! 
drainout those &quot;toxic&quot; blood and pump in new blood... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P1 need to revamp from INSIDE-OUT!</p>
<p>even IF VW or GM took over, they would revamp the whole thing from </p>
<p>INSIDE-OUT.</p>
<p>from suppliers chain till customers&#8230;</p>
<p>from materials, WIP, till end products&#8230;</p>
<p>from work instruction till procedure&#8230;</p>
<p>ITS A WHOLE ORGANIZATION REVAMP!   and SYSTEM REVAMP!</p>
<p>drainout those &quot;toxic&quot; blood and pump in new blood&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: transformer</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82896</link>
		<dc:creator>transformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha ha.... diesel also not started how to go electric...... sigh! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha ha&#8230;. diesel also not started how to go electric&#8230;&#8230; sigh!</p>
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		<title>By: kenfresh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82894</link>
		<dc:creator>kenfresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My second comment.. 
 
I was just watching the Honda FCX concept and the first thing that came into my mind was: THIS IS THE FUTURE OF AUTOMOBILE. 
 
Electric powered vehicle with long distance capability.  
 
Soon automobile will evolve in that direction. And if Proton is stucked within our limited local market, we will not expose ourself to the technical know how of these technologies. That&#039;s why a partnership with the big international players will benefit us in more ways than one. 
 
Just like a kampung boy who thinks that his kerbau is the best tool for the sawah padi when the rest of the world is using big machineries. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My second comment..</p>
<p>I was just watching the Honda FCX concept and the first thing that came into my mind was: THIS IS THE FUTURE OF AUTOMOBILE.</p>
<p>Electric powered vehicle with long distance capability. </p>
<p>Soon automobile will evolve in that direction. And if Proton is stucked within our limited local market, we will not expose ourself to the technical know how of these technologies. That&#039;s why a partnership with the big international players will benefit us in more ways than one.</p>
<p>Just like a kampung boy who thinks that his kerbau is the best tool for the sawah padi when the rest of the world is using big machineries.</p>
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		<title>By: kenfresh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82892</link>
		<dc:creator>kenfresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the validity of his statement is questionable the moment he suggests that the previous management, who he thinks has a track record, be brought back. 
 
What track record? 
 
The growth of Proton locally was fuelled by a huge pricing gap. Locals just cant afford any other decent non-national cars as they slap a huge tax on it. They purchase proton simply because they HAD TO. So if they are gonna gauge performance based on local sales, they are obviously not looking at the right direction. And to see that some locals go beyond their spending limits just to buy the cheapest non-national car just to avoid the quality issues, says alot about his so call &quot;track record&quot;. 
 
The argument to sell Proton to local players is just merely PRIDE. And PRIDE will kill you one day if you take too much of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the validity of his statement is questionable the moment he suggests that the previous management, who he thinks has a track record, be brought back.</p>
<p>What track record?</p>
<p>The growth of Proton locally was fuelled by a huge pricing gap. Locals just cant afford any other decent non-national cars as they slap a huge tax on it. They purchase proton simply because they HAD TO. So if they are gonna gauge performance based on local sales, they are obviously not looking at the right direction. And to see that some locals go beyond their spending limits just to buy the cheapest non-national car just to avoid the quality issues, says alot about his so call &quot;track record&quot;.</p>
<p>The argument to sell Proton to local players is just merely PRIDE. And PRIDE will kill you one day if you take too much of it.</p>
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		<title>By: maibatsu_thunder</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82889</link>
		<dc:creator>maibatsu_thunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pride has no place in business. </description>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82888</link>
		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is was a truly &quot;Malaysian&quot; company, then maybe Proton is worth saving. 
 
Same if Bahasa Malaysia was the national language, I might be more inclined to use it. Now being called Bahasa Melayu, I really wont be bothered. 
 
For the record, I&#039;m not a racist by a long shot but the government must give the rest of us a reason to be patriotic. Look at the French. Most will only buy a french vehicle because they believe it means something to them. THAT...is National Pride. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is was a truly &quot;Malaysian&quot; company, then maybe Proton is worth saving.</p>
<p>Same if Bahasa Malaysia was the national language, I might be more inclined to use it. Now being called Bahasa Melayu, I really wont be bothered.</p>
<p>For the record, I&#039;m not a racist by a long shot but the government must give the rest of us a reason to be patriotic. Look at the French. Most will only buy a french vehicle because they believe it means something to them. THAT&#8230;is National Pride.</p>
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		<title>By: skl0038</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82886</link>
		<dc:creator>skl0038</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever Proton is facing now was the &quot;contribution&quot; from the so called proven track recorder (old mgmt)!!! It&#039;s a bit unfair if we juz blamed it to d mgmt who took over lately......... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever Proton is facing now was the &quot;contribution&quot; from the so called proven track recorder (old mgmt)!!! It&#039;s a bit unfair if we juz blamed it to d mgmt who took over lately&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NeedGoodCar</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/04/20/tun-m-remove-current-proton-management/#comment-82864</link>
		<dc:creator>NeedGoodCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ONLY, I mean one and only solution to boost P1&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s sale is to: 
 
Provide full 5 year free full maintenance and service and warranty to all its products with the current price drop about 10%. 
 
Sell it to Wolf&#039;s Wagon lah. National pride, what national pride? Look at Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, that&#039;s national pride my friend. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ONLY, I mean one and only solution to boost P1&acirc;&euro;&trade;s sale is to:</p>
<p>Provide full 5 year free full maintenance and service and warranty to all its products with the current price drop about 10%.</p>
<p>Sell it to Wolf&#039;s Wagon lah. National pride, what national pride? Look at Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, that&#039;s national pride my friend.</p>
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