what kind of stupid idiot does a face lift on a car but its actually or basically nothing has been done? Gen 2 basically looks like a fatten pig.No plus point of calling a automobile status.Big disgrace to automoblie industry.On top of that the great GEN 2 extention aka Persona.Why many ppl support this type of rotten car.All locally manufactured but sell like foreign car.Just to feed the bumis.terrorist act!!!

With profile switching…the intake and exhaust header should have more than 1 path for each cylinder (you'll see longer and shorter pipes), at the same time needs to cram those extra pipes into the gen2 engine compartment might also means it needed more cooling air.

Again, with profile switching, air flow management in the engine gets better! Just like the v-tec, vvt, mivec, etc. Means they need to be able to supply more air into the engine…which also explains the larger front grille.

Hmmm…expecting some 5-10% increase in max power with the CPS, as well as higher torque throughout the rpm range. But nowadays i seem to leave my passion for more power…in the other aspect, should be able to get better mpg in highway driving. Not so sure about town driving though, normally the higher the lower end torque (mostly cars with max rpm

Gen 2 Sedan wiv Campro CPS? wats the big deal??

P1 boooooooooleeeeeeeeh

May 4, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

"…….some improvements are in place for P1, but the facts are P1 should improve the materials used in the cars, E.g. for savvy, full spec with aerokit when close the doors you can have good feel (soft slamping sound), while non-aerokit one still using cheap door rubber seal !! While MYVI have typical foreign car feel when shutting door close."

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I have to disagree slightly with u on this one. My Savvy is a the non-aerokit version, however the door have a good feel when closing. I tested the zerokit version too, and the feel is also similar. My Savvy was purchased during the TM era. This shows that during his era, quality was inconsistent, as some owners got decent quality car, while some unlucky owners got the reverse. I have to agree with u 100% that the doors of the MYVI have typical foreign feel when shutting the door close, as i have test driven it bout 1 year ago when choosing between a SAVVY and a MYVI. Sadly, the MYVI doesn't even have a foreign feel when driven. It feels light and floaty. I'm going to test drive the VIVA when it launches, and i'm pretty sure it'll have the same light and floaty feel too.

Nizam80,

A brand new Wira sedan now cost bout RM46K and a Wira SE is about RM49K.

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the time i purchased wira SE auto51k+, manual 49k+

non SE aeroback with full spec auto 54k plus…

may be i am out a bit on wira pricing, i am observing for WAJA pricings.

Hi tokmoh bro, yes some improvements are in place for P1, but the facts are P1 should improve the materials used in the cars, E.g. for savvy, full spec with aerokit when close the doors you can have good feel (soft slamping sound), while non-aerokit one still using cheap door rubber seal !! While MYVI have typical foreign car feel when shutting door close.

May 4, 2007 @ 8:59 am

the bad name of proton causes by one man name tm. the new mgmt lead by datuk syed zainal. for sure u cant make profit to company by 1 n half years. giv him chance to place proton back in profit land. n for this gen2 fl,why not u all just wait till it unveil. its better for u t bash if its true all the all problems still appear

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Absolutely agreed wit u, that is somethin everyone shud know n realise!!

I almost gave up on Proton until Syed Zainal Abidin came in, all of a sudden, I can feel that Proton is finally doin something to clear the dusts under the carpet. You can see he's aware that Proton is closely associated to poor QC. You can see that just like what Joe Ooi said, Proton is addressing the problems which are suposed to nvr exist, bt happen cuz tm is such a biatch.

Bt of course, despite that, the damage hv been done. Bashers can nvr be cooled down until Proton dies. As I said in another post, Proton is immortal for as long as BN is ruling the country. What to do, they can nvr turn back anymore, they can nvr be rational anymore. Any improvement ( or should it be repairs) by Proton will nvr be acknowledged, in fact, it will be bashed. Even IF VW did tie up wit PRoton, these bashers will still say w/e kind of things, mayb PADAN MUKA or w/e, for sure, they're the sore losers, while the politicians will be enjoying themselves laughing their way to the bank.

Proton's product seems to constantly improve since Syed Zainal Abidin came into the office, bt of course, their biggest challenge would be to counter Myvi, Vios, City n Avanza. Truth be said, by merit, I think Satria Neo is better than Myvi, bt of course, ppl would still pick the myvi cuz it's "reliable, n it's nt a Proton"

u rite.. dis is about the gen2 story.. why the bashers only know to bash.. why not try to figure out the specs and the interior look…

A daily driver needs only a reliable car for daily usage. what's our criteria for having our own car? want a car to last for how long? 5, 10, 15 or 20 years?

i m wondering what is the lifespan of this machine to last. 5 or 10 years?

most important, reliable car.

May 4, 2007 @ 8:11 am

"Do you know what is the 1st generation wira cost??, it’s ~40k only, now +/- 54k."

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A brand new Wira sedan now cost bout RM46K and a Wira SE is about RM49K.

mr.proton, it's not i am not trusting new datuk syed capabilities, the problems are thru years around & all the 'tak apa' attitudes had been buried deep in P1 soul… If no 'tak apa' attitude, i can guranteed 100% P1 will not face the conditions like now, I am pretty sure it will still the market shares leader. I am pitty for datuk syed on chasing the giant snake to move like a dragon… The bad name for P1 not actually only cause by TM only, the company's bad practising attitudes did it.

it's nothing wrong if we bash P1 here. We all get excited on P1 topic, are't we? haha…:)

hi bro infinity, satria neo may be good, but for a 178cm guy to fit at driver seat, you have no headroom at all. my head is touching the rooftop without any spacing at all. I think all P1 designer should be ~165cm only that's why Gen2 & neo get such design…. I wonder how can mat saller in Aus can fit in this satria neo…???

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Nizam80 said,

I’m sure Proton would not increase the price. Just take a look at the current Waja Campro Manual. It has ABS Airbags, but price still the same as the previous one. RM59K if i’m not mistaken. Lets just wait shall we.

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hi Nizam80 bro, i am pretty sure you are not updating P1 car prices for very long time… DO you still remember a total all models price cut for P1…. it just happens back somewhere in last year, WAJA auto ~59k only… manual ~56k now with such call improvements , the manual became ~59k again. P1 just always taking chances to increase the selling price of their products. Do you know what is the 1st generation wira cost??, it's ~40k only, now +/- 54k. P1 main intention is only milking from rakyat not really benefit us fully.

your beloved proton for the first three quarters of Financial year2007 already net LOSS RM 590.45 million. sales for domestic only 40%. soon toyota will come out with belta (new vios) sure will give another hard time for proton….

without VW at the back…proton will tottering to last cash. Khazanah better sell now to VW, otherwise the proton share may be worthless…

May 3, 2007 @ 2:22 pm

bro intermilan. the cps n vim technology stil not a improvement ker? why u so typical m’sian that only know to complaint. n bash… u the poor guy….

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Is it really these technology is an improvement, but why Toyota not use it, or if really good, then P1 have good reasons to ramp up production at Tg Malim plant to 1 million units and export to all over the world to earn foreign currencies like Yen, Yuan, Rupee, USD, GBP, etc to enrich Bolehland. But the sad naked truth is P1 still suck local RM under NAP, that may lead to one of the reason for the statement ……"u the poor guy"…….

Don't always act like jaguh kampong to tell Malaysian P1 improve-this-improve-that. P1 must become world class player with "latest CPS Campro" to tell the whole world that they are the best and conquer the world market just like Toyota. Tapi apa yang sebenarnya berlaku ialah cakap tak serupa bikin!

May 3, 2007 @ 11:30 am

againn to all of u(the damn bashers)…. jus duduk diam2.. u hav more money buy the foreign car. but for us not kaya one.. we still depend on national car. jgn cakap banyak saje.. but the fact is u r all empty tin milo…hahaha

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Poor soul Protonian, with crap classical Protonomic mentality. Those who can afford to buy a car above RM 35K or USD 10K like Waja, Gen-2, Savvy, Wira or Satria Neo is not consider as "not kaya one", also not consider as rich but typical "Mr. Average" middle class in Malaysia. But the sad truth facts is Protonomic under suck NAP make you feel as poor as what you perceive about your self.

In all time since P1 inception, it is NOT we still depend on national car, but it is the opposite. Without P1 we have plenty of choices and will prosper and enjoying wide range of auto product that are value for money. If P1 without us the rakyat/consumers, it is a sure die scenario.

You even don't have a basic demand and supply knowledge, the relationship between customer and product under free market is without customer there is no sale, so there is no demand and defintely no supply (products).

You are the one that need to duduk diam-diam and read also use a little bit logical thinking to digest what Proton bashers said.

Pity you poor soul Protonian that make poor by P1!

"RM59K if i’m not mistaken. Lets just wait shall we"

LOL… u talking about that WAJA with the new FLAT FACE? come on…

The improvements only came when market shares drop & losses in money. That’s nothing to be proud of as a NATIONAL pride. The improvements should be in place in early stage in order to survive in AFTA.

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Well said, just to compliment further, do you think P1 will add in all these features if they can sell their car as from earlier 1990s prior to financial crisis in 1997. This is not improvement in true sense simply on the following reasons: -

1. Customers dissatisfaction and avoiding buying P1 car that lead to its hulabaloo existence force Proton to add in these safety features to entice buyers but still fail misely.

2. What to boost on improvement since it is solving stupid problems that shouldn't exist in the first place, either in response to customer complaint or to fight with competitor.

3. Most of the features (what Protonian so call "improvement") is actually available in P1 export model to UK or Australia! Just because of currently P1 facing difficulty to sell in local market, they just "upgrade" to export model quality! What a big fuss except bring a "little comfort" or "half bread better than non" situation to local customer that is long overdue, but not ahead of its time/competitor.

4. Talk about CPS in Campro, do it really new tech that coming out from P1's R & D, if so, compare to VVTI or the like, do it perform on par or better?

"The impovements P1 have involve cost increase which will impose to customer & do you call it improvements?? add on airbag , ABS then add on CPS… increase few k in price. haha…. long story…. welcome to debate."

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Remember, previously when Proton did not equip ABS and Dual Airbags in their cars as standard, people complained and kept on whining that there are not enough safety features and this and that and so on….. Same goes for the original Campro.

But now, when Proton put ABS and Airbags as standard, and the CPS engine going to be out soon, people still complain. I'm not surprised bout those complains. I'm sure Proton would not increase the price. Just take a look at the current Waja Campro Manual. It has ABS Airbags, but price still the same as the previous one. RM59K if i'm not mistaken. Lets just wait shall we.