Tokmoh,
My late dad used to own a Vauxhall Viva during the 70’s… so it is not a new name laa…

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Yeah, U’re right. Vauxhall Viva was fr Vauxhall Motors, UK. It was also assembled in Malaysia ard 1970s by Champion Motors S/B (now known as Assembly Services S/B), Shah Alam.

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peYno said,

May 12, 2007 @ 3:03 pm

No wonder they ask Thai to assemble hi end camry/accord…UMW/honda malaysia only assemble low end car …WHY?

Becoz They don’t trush malaysia worker anymore

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There again you go child…now you tauten my humble believe that you know nothing about automotive industry but bloody shite. Please…if you don’t know, don’t talk shite or at least do some study so that..well at least it will give some sense or fundamental logic to your comment. Please don’t disgrace other kind Malaysians further.

You’ve just barked that since Toyota/Honda don’t trust Malaysian worker anymore, they decided to assemble their high end models in Thailand.

Well…read carefully boy !! How do you explain about DaimlerChrysler has chosen DRB-HICOM Bhd subsidiary Malaysia Truck and Bus Sdn Bhd (MTB) as the assembler in Asia for its new Mercedes S-Class. Not only that, MTB will also assemble the Mercedes E-Class and C-Class, and commercial vehicles including the Actros and Sprinter van at their manufacturing plant in Pekan.

And i’ll give you some more…how about the Malaysian Sime Darby’s subsidiary having capability of assembling one of BMW luxurious marque
the 5 series at their facility in Shah Alam.. Period

Certainly, those car manufacturers also having their assembly plant in Thailand or elsewhere around the globe…After all it’s a business boy for the god sake !!.

A good car to be produced have nothing to do with where it will be made. The only thing concern are the people’s mindset, working culture and good training. I guess if only there’s any reason why some established world class manufacturer lost trust upon Malaysian fellows..because unluckily they’ve met several people like yourself in Malaysia during their stay in the country.

Please don’t disgrace the Malaysians anymore..Otherwise not only Japanese will greet you “sayonara” but the Europeans, Arabians, Africans, other Asians and your fellow Malaysian too will be leaving you far behind.

Ijyoudesu.

japanese will say : sayonara

prrrfthhhh

May 12, 2007 @ 3:03 pm

Japanese car assembler in Thailand or Indo oso use local content,
they produce car to all over the world.. no need to act like perodua.. assemble japs car but pretend as National automaker
i hv read article reportys from Japanese company ac.in Malaysia.. they said.. malaysia is not competitive anymore,hi labour cost malaysia worker lack of skill and knowledge.. Thailand and Vietnam r the best location to shift their operation..can get better profit

Bravo Thai

No wonder they ask Thai to assemble hi end camry/accord…UMW/honda malaysia only assemble low end car …WHY?

Becoz They don’t trush malaysia worker anymore

==sissy boy, is not acting…it is part of business and trade. intention of jobs opportunity and development. look at the rawang town earlier and now. think first pls. my goodness.
don’t worry u still can migrate to thailand and work there. check out and see whether u can buy highend car overthere or not……..good idea?
another nonsense, better than laughing pil. hahahahaha.

Bravo Thai

No wonder they ask Thai to assemble hi end camry/accord…UMW/honda malaysia only assemble low end car …WHY?

Becoz They don’t trush malaysia worker anymore

May 11, 2007 @ 1:43 am

torishimeyakuin
i hv 1 simple question..
wat will happen if japanese leave u… in case they run to thailand..
can perodua sstill survive???

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Opss sorry again..just to confirm are you questioning whether what will happen if Japanese leave
1) You = read as Pro2
or
2) You = simply read as me, myself, Torishimeyakuin (who should be regarded as not related to Pro2)

hehe just curious…If the answer is 1), then kindly refer to my previous comment above.

If 2), then….hahaha…are you kidding me ? Then i should get a Japanese chick quickly and ask her to leave me the next day..then we could figure out effectively whether Pro can still survive or not. Hahaha….

May 11, 2007 @ 1:43 am

torishimeyakuin
i hv 1 simple question..
wat will happen if japanese leave u… in case they run to thailand..
can perodua sstill survive???

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Hehe…foremost, i reckon that your good self are the one who come out with this brilliant quote:

” the sentence of “IF” is not applicable at all
we want figures n facts… no “IF” “IF” lorrr

prrrfthhh “.

Hehe you get it ?….

But anyway, just a simple hint towards your 1 simple question.
What makes you think a very good and mutually sensible partner want to call a brake-off after all the years around, both of them keep serving and completing each other magnificently.

Simply said, why should Pro2’s strategic partner = Daihatsu, leave it’s most lucrative and profitable niche market in the region after striving madly to keep on it’s own self survival all these years, by shifting to the totally new ground where the folks love to ride pick-up trucks or elephants rather then driving compact cars ?? After all those Japanese have tried and gave their bloody best shot previously to operate and make an appearance at Thailand but they failed and Daihatsu (Thailand) Ltd. had been dissolved. Factual reference:
http://www.daihatsu.com/news/n2005/05011801/
Why ? Because Thailand is proven not to be their suitable playground. SO why the heck they want to leave Pro2 and Malaysia as their bloody firm stronghold for compact cars manufacturing base in South East Asia Region. Certainly they have a subsidiary in Indonesia which is known as PT Astra Daihatsu Motor (ADM) but that one mainly caters for another segment which is not compact car but larger vehicle. Even ADM got their Daihatsu Sirion cars supplied by Pro2.

1) You may say such,…hey when it comes to AFTA, it’s open market what ? Thailand offers cheaper labour cost and better quality and can export to M’sia what?
-> That’s bullshit. 1stly because AFTA should be base on mutual & bilateral trading and even tax duty decrease to be not more than 5%, the decision to impose another kind of duty cost is government prerogative. 2ndly, Pro2 applies Toyota Quality Standard & Control which means no matter where the car being produce in any country, they should meet with TQS. This is one of the reasons why Toyota can beat GM as the world No.1 car manufacturer recently very fast after adopting this Heijyunka Production System in all its production plant across the globe.

2) You may say such,…hey maybe not now, how about in the future ?
-> Heh.. I can’t really figure out when is that “future” would be as not a single one man can tell exactly what’s going to be in the future. But hey…i damn sure believe Pro2 can take care and think what’s the best for their future as we ourself suppose to always think what’s the best to keep our survival in the future. Now there come the important element of good leadership/management and good human resources…..of Malaysian people…including you.

Ijyoudesu..

thanks for sharing……

May 10, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

intermilan said,

May 11, 2007 @ 12:08 am

==agreed what u have pointed out.

May 10, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

tec96248, are u a perodua salesman? coz all ur comment seems to be biased towards perodua… and i never noticed ur nick before this… just recently when got post about perodua viva then only see ur nick…
just wondering….

u r like replying the messages every 5 minutes.. and kept on condemning other ppl… nothing better to do ka?

==hahaha………nope. i don’t like doing sales. but i do love cars. i read only but reasonly someone really making me laugh out loud. so can’t help it. haha..
i didn’t condemn other ppl. just improving indirectly, when free enough only. hahaha…..

May 10, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

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correction..
perodua doesn’t assemble Japanese car..
they assemble DOWNGRADED Japanese car

==ok. doesn’t matter assembled or manufactured this car. but really funny when did u test the grade of this car and compared to the one u had driven? did u witness the production earlier before launching? hmmm………amusing!

Pardon if my direct response to the blogger peYno is perceive as offensive. Didn’t have the opportunity to read ur response to his/her post as i am busy plotting his/her demise in one ‘mild’ swing.

But like the famous Malay proverb ‘Nasi dah jadi bubur’, I’ve already unleash the countermeasures. Only then did see your nice ‘notification’ to him/her. Hehe..

Kindly re-route attention back to Viva.
Its worth the nation attention as Viva+Myvi combo might put P1 in its deepest trouble ever.
Surely an evolving event not to be missed! Just ask J.O.

your immaturity and inability to read between-the-line betray you big time in your aggressive and no-time-to-think attitude and pursuit towards any post or segment of it that you dislike or disapprove. I suggest you take some time and actually read my post again a bit carefully before degrade other blogger.

on the other hand, if you have no time and are knowledgeable (as implied from your many previous post) about Mira, K-car or any sub 1.3L car in general (which i have alsolute no interest to own one), you should have realise that P2 Viva or its ori sibling although old in Japan… is something new and fresh to Bolehland. You might be bored and loath the aplenty spyshots, real life photos and your actual experience with its Daihatsu sibling to death but to the general Malaysian public this is a new fresh car.

as for technologies, in my previous post, i’m pointing out that most Malaysians would always swallow without much hesitation whatever offer by P2 nowadays as latest or the best must-have tech. In English, its called an insinuation you %^(*&#$%^$%. In Malay, its translated as ’sindiran’.

as for kei9,
put some decent effort to know bloggers around. you did not have to make fool of yourself so cheaply. Parroting is best left to the real bird in cage.

To be a potong (savvy?) lovers is your own choice. A piece of free advice, don’t be an idiot and arrogant one while you are at it. You just do more harm to the ailing one that you love (i.e. potong if you don’t get it). Plus gain no respect from bloggers that have different view than yours. Go learn with some of the established potong lover guru (many in this blog) on the ethics and survival skills before nak tunjuk belang kau.

Wow i got a feeling that this P2 car will sell like hot cakes again…
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who cares about ur feeling…

prrrfthhhh

May 10, 2007 @ 6:03 pm

kody said,
May 10, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

emmhhh…

top end models for P2 should not >35k that will be a relatively fair prices.
I just repeat my old story, my sister’s Japanese friend told her car like kancil only sell @ ~RM15k in Japan, one month salary for a japanese is more than enough to pay for the car price… here we pay in years…
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ur sis’s japs friend is damn rite…. i oso wanna repeat my old story like P2 fanboy repeating old story about P1power window failure..prrrfthhhh
with high competition of K car segment from other makers in Japan, High labour cost and better built… they still can sell it at RM20k

don’t blame on tax… becoz perodua oso protected by gov. …
pretending to be National car.. the fact is..they just a japanese car assembler
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peYno said,

May 10, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

guys
take a look
i notice more japanese than local (malaysian) here..

This is wat we called ” 2nd malaysia national car manufacturer”

prrrfthhh

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Hoho wait2..I couldn’t refrain myself from making things get straight and right after been crooked abusively. Oh..boy2 there you go again. My advice to all of you is please don’t get easily cheated and bluffed by somebody who inclines to piss and spread the shite just anywhere he feels like to.

Mr. KOdy, please don’t tell me that a Kancil-like car which your sis’s japanese buddy bought was approximately mere RM 15 K was a brand new. Or perhaps she bought a brand new yet those in 20 years back then. Nowadays you might get a 2nd hand car with that price but for a brand new, that’s totally bullshit.

For the factual reference: http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/showroom/lineup/mira/index.htm

1) The bloody lowest & shoddiest standard of Daihatsu Mira, (L class) price is ï¿¥871500 = ~ RM26145. Even though this price applies for current new major-changed Mira, no big different with the old one, period.

Then someone queried such as on what ground Pro2 entitled the ” 2nd malaysia national car manufacturer” pfrrrh ? .

Heh you really want to know why ? Now i give SOME LITTLE BIT hint for you. The bloody reason is because Pro2 fullfills all the definite requirements lined up by your loving government should to be the National Car Manufacturer . The facts are:

1) Eventhough Japanese holds majority stake at 51%, that only accountable for the manufacturing arm, Pro2 Manufacturing Sdn Bhd while the mother holding company PERODUA itself and Pro2 Sales Sdn Bhd is still wholly controlled by Malaysian share holders including government through PNB, UMW, MBM at ~70%. This kind of..might i call it as a genius collaboration formula is what Proton tried to apply on its “on-searching” strategic partners such as VW, GM & Peugeot previously but seems difficult.

2) Even though Pro2 models original platform based upon Daihatsu/Toyota Japan, it meets the internationally recognized definition for national car manufacturer as almost all of the significant process to produce cars such as parts stamping, body works, engine casting, heavy machining, knocking, etc2 besides assembly and painting are being done & produced in Pro2. Hence defy a say that Pro2 is mere an assembler.

3) Pro2 cars externally & internally are clarified to possess mostly local contents. This is very significant item in order to qualify as a national car manufacturer. Most of the parts and elements which must strictly meet with Toyota Quality Standard are produced by Malaysian hence indirectly increase the Malaysian auto parts manufacturers’ capabilities and also resulted almost 300 local vendors and parts manufacturers that depend their bread & butter on Pro2 whereas there are more than hundreds of thousands of Malaysian people related to the Pro2 car’s industry alone. This situation also applies on Proton yet the number of human resources involved might be more. So could you open your mind broadly with pure sanity and figure out how big the impact should be made by these 2 companies in terms of economy for the country to earn national car manufacturer huh !!

4) Even though Japanese might hold substantial shares, Pro2 is not a subsidiary of Daihatsu nor being owned at all cost by Daihatsu. So on what ground are you questioning its national car manufacturer status while keep barking all the way that its Japanese.
Please..and please again…look around the world. I mean in the perspective of automotive industry globally and you eventually might understand why the heck pro2 deserves a status of national car manufacturer. So as why Nissan, Suzuki, Isuzu deserves Japanese car manufacturer title; why Jaguar & Aston Martin entitled as British manufacturers while Volvo as Swedish despite owned by Ford. Why Skoda as Czech’s and Seat as Spain’s despite owned by VW; Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth & Jeep as US’s despite owned by DaimlerChrysler of Germany…and the list goes on boy…including China manufacturers, Indians and all over around the world.

Well you might say that most of the cars listed above have their own identity and developed by their own countrymen. Heh boy…that might be right if you take 20 years back steps but now no more…everything’ve changed and believe it or not…a Jags and Martin is being developed in US. A Nissan’s by French group of engineers. So as the Skoda and Seat by the Germans…

To Pro2 and Proton of Malaysia…strive and working hard further. Keep on learning and improving in all aspects say it quality, market and product, technology and the most important element is the human resources power. Expose your valuable workforce with the valuable experience while increase the knowledge by learning from the experts and benchmark-setter. The rest is you just need some good leadership and strong consumer-oriented policy.

Or otherwise you’ll be just a part of history being kicked out of your arse soon or toys for some people to keep on bashing relentlessly..hehe

u r like replying the messages every 5 minutes.. and kept on condemning other ppl… nothing better to do ka?

yeahh typical p2 fanboy… they called ithis car Fresh design??? latest tech???
prrrfthhhhh
confirmed .. this guy knows nothing about Mira

u know! newbie…no offence

just watched the 30 min launch
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did u see our PM… launching our NATIONAL CAR???

hahaha…

bash this car however you all seem fit but the general public gonna walk straight into perodua trap nevertheless… why? on one side, its a fresh design, load with “latest” and “desirable” automotive technologies and marketed as economical, practical, spacious, that sort of punchline.
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yeahh typical p2 fanboy… they called ithis car Fresh design??? latest tech???
prrrfthhhhh
confirmed .. this guy knows nothing about Mira

look like bunch of die-hard potong lovers have assume controland power over perodua viva thread.

bash this car however you all seem fit but the general public gonna walk straight into perodua trap nevertheless… why? on one side, its a fresh design, load with “latest” and “desirable” automotive technologies and marketed as economical, practical, spacious, that sort of punchline.

a 660cc for car this size?? great marketing decision but stupid engineering one.

who care rite, marketing mesti power .. when sudah bayar apa boleh buat? pijak la the fuel pedal until the floor berlubang.

let see which one gonna triump, comparable (in price) P1 products (saga, iswara, wira, savvy) or Viva + Myvi.

Syok la this fight. If ppl going berserk about Viva, P1 2007 financial year gonna die standing like 2006.. like one old movie called “Siapa bunuh Alice?”, This fight might be the continuation of P2-directed real live drama that can aptly named “Siapa bunuh P1?”

Muahahaha…Let’s the culling begin…

this is the most spacious car I ever seen for 28k priced car

just like toyota/honda assemble high end camry/accord in Thailand.. low end car they ask malaysian umw to assemble it