You’re no different than those MCA n MIC puppets who’ve sold their pride n be systematically marginalised. You’ve abandoned your fellow Proton bashers comrades to deny such statements I made from my observations.

You want to suggest to me UK’s life is worse than here? Have you any idea why PTPTN had to borrow BILLIONS of EPF $$ for? I bet you don’t, why? Cuz you just can’t accept reality that overseas students end up nt returning bcuz they hv a better life there. Is there a work here in Msia that can offer RM20k salary to a fresh grad? Oh yes, that’s what my sister’s fren who is a surgeon gets paid, in Msia? Sorry la……kerja mcm anjing, gaji mcm org sapu sampah….mau kaya, gi kenal org UMNO, pastu ah….duit pun masuk poket la……..itu la Msian style nye cara nk jadi kaya…..Msia boleh….memang boleh.

==hahaha………….that's why i said ur claims is filled with rubbish. your observation is narrow, in other words lousy. just making me laugh only. i guess u r sitting next to the guy peYno. hahahaha. firstly, i m not a proton basher and deny the statements. observe better please! and also remember to anaylise whether involved to politic parties from me? to be honest, neither u r up to the mic/mca puppets' standard at all nor the opposition parties standards. u r still way down below. ahahaha.

too smart or what? read properly pls, didn't mention worse than malaysia! ptptn borrow money? not the first time dude. hmm……..always heard a little, friends' bullshitting also don't know. u should ask ur uncle, auntie, brother or sister who have worked there for years. remember to ask the lifestyle, living standards, culture, income tax etc. fresh grad for rm20k a month?………ahahahahaha, pls find out properly first. whahahaha……..u r still stuck inside the well. as i said earlier, reading ur claims like having laughing water. whahahaha……

May 23, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

i din even say anything bout UK market. i already told u.. no comment. don be like a child… pls..

- YOU don't be like a child!! Avoiding an issue that I brought up, eh? That's right, all you Proton bashers always talked abt Proton's rubbish QC, Proton "susukan beruk di hutan, anak sendiri kat rumah kebuluran", Proton this, Proton that, and just when I brought up, u run away like Barang Naik chicken MPs!! So, abt what they did in UK hv nothing to do wit local quality here, it does matter. Can't u see they can offer a fairly quality car in UK bt nt here? THAT'S what you Proton bashers always bash Proton for, wondering why can't offer the same thing here, why they didn't bother, why they care abt those mat salleh more than Msians, no? Now that Proton is aware abt the situation, they're giving their best to ensure better quality on their newer models, you still bash Proton made lousy Saga n Wira. MOVE ON PLEASE!! This is 2007, nt 1990 anymore!! Look at newer Paul's post abt accident in Singapore, that Savvy CAN provide some protection in the event of a crash, can an 80s model provide that? So why are u still ranting abt an 80s model, when you can get yourself a 2005 car, that has been proven to be better in accidents?

so u know y we bash? bcos we make mistakes. we make mistakes by buying the wrong products. the question is, y is there such products still avaliable?

- Bcuz there is still demand. And if Proton stops production, ppl will complain n want them to bring back the Saga, so what Proton wants and what any business that wants to move on is for people to support newer products so they can stop producing old product already. Get a FL Waja, get a Gen2, or Satria Neo or Savvy, just plz stop the buying of Wira n Saga, they're still selling cuz you ppl don't value driving excitement, safety, better fc provided into newer models. Bt there are still many out there wit this kind of mentality of buying new cars: "I JUST want something cheap, I dun care if it has ABS, airbag or not, I dun care if it has Lotus RnH or not, I dun care if the design is good or not, I dun care anything at all, JUST 4-wheel-something that can move at a very cheap price"

- Now P2 is beginning to catch Proton-litis disease. Viva is more xpnsv than the models it replaces, bt unlike Waja, Satria Neo, Gen2 n Savvy, it will sell like hot cake cuz P2 uses the cheap tactic of photostating somebody else's technology, so that means their development cost shud be very small, n yet, they sell it at a fuggin expensive price.

Perodua assembling some models somebody else developed, but remember, they will have to learn how to assemble with quality. i remember some of proton’s car also assemble… code name Tiara. what happen?

- It was a mistake done by that useless Mahaleel, and besides, even in UK, French cars are at the bottom of the survey made by the British consumers. Perodua fortunately, is Japanese, so quality is their forte. French oni knows how to make beautiful bt stupidly useless cars. Good thing the deal wit PSA failed, else, we'll see more beautiful bt unreliable Proton. German would be the best, we'll then be able to see technologically-ladened Proton, though still nt as reliable as the Japs, it's better that way than being ultra reliable bt as dull as a bottle of mineral waters. Unfortunately, wit our deputy's "it doesn't matter" attitude, those Germans hv forgotten Proton, whose fault? Ours lah….still wanna vote for them, haiya……thank u Ijok, you've allowed "democracy to stay alive in this country" and you "have confidence in the gahmen".

@tec96248

You're no different than those MCA n MIC puppets who've sold their pride n be systematically marginalised. You've abandoned your fellow Proton bashers comrades to deny such statements I made from my observations.

You want to suggest to me UK's life is worse than here? Have you any idea why PTPTN had to borrow BILLIONS of EPF $$ for? I bet you don't, why? Cuz you just can't accept reality that overseas students end up nt returning bcuz they hv a better life there. Is there a work here in Msia that can offer RM20k salary to a fresh grad? Oh yes, that's what my sister's fren who is a surgeon gets paid, in Msia? Sorry la……kerja mcm anjing, gaji mcm org sapu sampah….mau kaya, gi kenal org UMNO, pastu ah….duit pun masuk poket la……..itu la Msian style nye cara nk jadi kaya…..Msia boleh….memang boleh.

I made rubbish claim? Those are what I observed when ppl talk abt Proton in UK. Many would say “Oh, Proton sells cheaper in UK, n they subsidise using our $$, f*** Proton!!” or “Oh, Proton give this n that in UK, bt here, we’re given bare n expensive cars. F*** Proton!!” So, I am wrong to misunderstand these comments? I am wrong to say you can hv a much better life in other countries than here in Msia?

==hmm………..yup. most of it were rubbish. just a few only of most of ur claims, questions for u: how do u justify it is cheaper in uk somemore full spec or more expensive and bare in malaysia? subsidise, from whom? any solid reason? heard ppl talked about proton in uk, the ppl might be bullshitting, u believe those? 'cheap' m'sian u said preferred old models, this is an idiot claim. look further and wider, not close or narrow. this is my advise. yup, wrong saying better life in other countries than malaysia. UK might not be the country that u will love it.

hell yeah that is what i call progressing.. u still don understand, do u? people want to move forward no matter what. even it resort to 'steal' in a legal manner, that's equal progressing fwd.

look at how China Space Programme… wonder how they manage to send human to space? is this not progressing? China got help from the Russian gov… dude.

Perodua assembling some models somebody else developed, but remember, they will have to learn how to assemble with quality. i remember some of proton's car also assemble… code name Tiara. what happen?

"- Still stuck in the 80s, your fren is. It’s his fault for not working hard enough to get a Gen.2 or a Satria Neo. So, you’re gonna say those 2 models I suggested to be worse than the Saga?"

i agreed that it is my fren's fault.. that is very true indeed. in fact, i believe there are tousand of rakyat making this mistakes by buying the 80s and for not working hard enuf. hmm… great tai chi u have here. soon, those thousand will realise their mistakes and will complain or bash at the 1980s brand name which is still selling to this year 2007.

so u know y we bash? bcos we make mistakes. we make mistakes by buying the wrong products. the question is, y is there such products still avaliable?

"- Now you dun even know that there’s a wide claim Proton subsidise UK market wit our money so that they can sell cheaper there, which is mathematically false? How uninformed can you be……or, you’re nt gonna say that “Proton cares less abt its own home market than the UK market”?"

i din even say anything bout UK market. i already told u.. no comment. don be like a child… pls..

May 23, 2007 @ 10:32 am

err.. i dun think i mention anything about Proton UK selling cheaper…n i have no comment if UK selling rocket high or low. cause there is nothing to do with the quality in our local cars

- Now you dun even know that there's a wide claim Proton subsidise UK market wit our money so that they can sell cheaper there, which is mathematically false? How uninformed can you be……or, you're nt gonna say that "Proton cares less abt its own home market than the UK market"?

Hmm… if now our G is a new G and they have no protection for proton… can proton’s quality improve? u can guarantee this?

- They'll be forced to, if they want to stay alive. Else, you can all cheer as Proton at long last dies. That'll be gud, I can then start getting Ford Focus at a 'proper' price.

hell BIG NO. may b the malaysian consumer have very high expectation compare to yours. Just found out that the air con control for the latest iswara model my fren got alwalys produce problem.. it is a vertical knob control up n down from cool to warn. up is cool and down is warn. so the design is such vertical and the problem occur when the car move on an uneven road for some time says 30 mins cause the knob to slowly move down due to the vibration. that cause his air con to warn insetad of cool. he needs to put a tape on it… LOL. is that your call of progressing…

- Still stuck in the 80s, your fren is. It's his fault for not working hard enough to get a Gen.2 or a Satria Neo. So, you're gonna say those 2 models I suggested to be worse than the Saga?

Viva will replace both kancil and kelissa… is this not progressing? kancil & kelissa is not so old compare to iswara, wira and i think waja as well…

- So, playing the cheap tactic of just assembling some models somebody else developed is progressing to you? I'm nt sure which, bt I remembered well Kelisa n Waja was launched in August 2000.

so as consumer again, we just complain… my votes to the G has nothing to do with proton’s quality but the stability of our country. Pls do not mix that up on main purpose of voting!!

- Oh, great. So all these while, politicians never involved their hands in the automotive business, well, that's something new I learnt. You're the greatest, NoToLowQuality, I nvr knew Msians are rly so much smarter than me! My mistake, I shudn't vote then, I dun like politics too, bt been following it up due to my fake belief that they're screwing up the automotive world in this land.

Gen-2 is not Wira replacemet model. Proton din say it. Only u mention it. As far as we know, Neo Satria is the new replacement for old Satria. that’s it.

- These two cars fall under the same target audience. Picture this: a fresh grad who wants a new, spacious 4-door car to enable him to go to work. He sees Wira n Gen.2 in his list. Which would he buy? Well, to those who still lives in the stone age, they'll get the Wira, while those who's in touch wit current time, they'll get the Gen.2.

If u say new model cost more, than proton is not progressing… technology will reduce cost of production.. that is the fact. Gen-2 if ever be the replcament for wira, it will cost about the same or lesser with more features. and people will buy Gen-2 instead of Wira. Cheper product with more featurs as compare to Wira. Wira will eventually EOL.

- some quick additional features Gen2 hv over the Wira: Lotus-tuned ride n handling, fresh, new look, twin airbag n ABS for H-line, Campro engine. Unfortunately, the 'cheap' Msians prefer older models cuz it's cheaper and as long as the car can get them from A to B, it doesn't matter whether if it's laden wit such additional features.

@tec96248

I made rubbish claim? Those are what I observed when ppl talk abt Proton in UK. Many would say "Oh, Proton sells cheaper in UK, n they subsidise using our $$, f*** Proton!!" or "Oh, Proton give this n that in UK, bt here, we're given bare n expensive cars. F*** Proton!!" So, I am wrong to misunderstand these comments? I am wrong to say you can hv a much better life in other countries than here in Msia?

May 22, 2007 @ 6:12 pm

I’ve nvr look at the outside world? Don’t make me laugh, I just mentioned in the previous post that the outside world can provide you a much better life in every single aspect, n abt things to do wit Proton in UK:

==hahaha, reading ur claim makes me laugh. i think i should laugh out loud. seeing a fool still stuck inside the well for quite sometime, now giving some laughing waters. hahaha. as i said earlier, ur claim is rubbish. now also the same. hahahaha.

Gen-2 is not Wira replacemet model. Proton din say it. Only u mention it. As far as we know, Neo Satria is the new replacement for old Satria. that's it.

"Wira Replacement shud be the Gen.2, thing is though, it’s the buyers who are nt moving" – Ho ho ho… very good tai chi indeed.. blame the consumer. i do not know y u can think as such… what a joke.

If u say new model cost more, than proton is not progressing… technology will reduce cost of production.. that is the fact. Gen-2 if ever be the replcament for wira, it will cost about the same or lesser with more features. and people will buy Gen-2 instead of Wira. Cheper product with more featurs as compare to Wira. Wira will eventually EOL.

"Proton cheaper – get a calculator, you know what is that thing? It’s some plastic thing wit lots of buttons n a screen, n when u key in some numbers, it’ll produce magic numbers. Gen2 in UK is £8,995, and now, RM1 = £6.6846, if that’s cheaper than here, then you’re the one who’ve never been to the outside world, heck, u didn’t even know how to use a calculator!!"

err.. i dun think i mention anything about Proton UK selling cheaper…n i have no comment if UK selling rocket high or low. cause there is nothing to do with the quality in our local cars

"I’ve mentioned before Proton is immortal for as long as Msia is under Barang Naik, so tell me, if u rly want to kill Proton dead, will u vote for a new gahmen, as well as persuade everyone else to vote for a new gahmen, or you’d rather play safe n ‘jaga periuk nasi sendiri’ n dun wanna vote for a change? As for keep bashing until they change, aren’t they progressing fairly well now under Syed Zainal? No? Oh yah, no wonder, from your PoV, ‘change’ = die. Wrong assumption lor, my bad, my bad."

Hmm… if now our G is a new G and they have no protection for proton… can proton's quality improve? u can guarantee this?

"aren’t they progressing fairly well now under Syed Zainal"

hell BIG NO. may b the malaysian consumer have very high expectation compare to yours. Just found out that the air con control for the latest iswara model my fren got alwalys produce problem.. it is a vertical knob control up n down from cool to warn. up is cool and down is warn. so the design is such vertical and the problem occur when the car move on an uneven road for some time says 30 mins cause the knob to slowly move down due to the vibration. that cause his air con to warn insetad of cool. he needs to put a tape on it… LOL. is that your call of progressing…

Viva will replace both kancil and kelissa… is this not progressing? kancil & kelissa is not so old compare to iswara, wira and i think waja as well…

so as consumer again, we just complain… my votes to the G has nothing to do with proton's quality but the stability of our country. Pls do not mix that up on main purpose of voting!!

rule of thumb is not to convert when counting other currencies. rather compare the earning power after minus expenditure for a median paying job and u will find that uk people can afford a car 5-10 years faster than any middle class msian.

May 21, 2007 @ 6:03 pm

….is that something we should shout about? I believe if we praise and give credit, Proton will just stop improving from there onwards. Cause we have experienced it. Remember Wira, it is so successfully until it is still selling up to now. Where is the All New Wira Replacement? Up to now, what the heck of improvement on Wira?

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Ok, that is something not to shout abt, bt something to take note of. Mahaleel is literally throwing the Proton img down the drain, while Syed Zainal keeps pulling Proton out of the deep sheez they're in now.

Wira Replacement shud be the Gen.2, thing is though, it's the buyers who are nt moving. Newer models of course costs more, bt the buyers still wanna go for the cheaper, old models. By merit, you tell me: Gen2 or Wira? Bt which would ppl buy? Why? U all complain Proton nvr give twin airbag n ABS as std, then further say "what are we, so cheap? In UK they give it as std, Proton think we're nt human enough to deserve safety equipment!! Boycott Proton!!" Proton nvr improve Wira? I think they wanted to stop building it, bt it's the ppl who are too stingy to get the newer models they offer.

Perodua successfully move on wit the Myvi, which theoretically shudn't sell well cuz it's more expensive, more this n that compared to Kelisa n Kancil, bt it did sell. Tremendiously. How? Well, obviously, just say "oh, it's same like in Japan, so it has gud qc, fc, high re-sale", then poof, a success is made the cheap n easy way out. This is why JC hates it n destroys the Kelisa, which was built with the same formula.

I've nvr look at the outside world? Don't make me laugh, I just mentioned in the previous post that the outside world can provide you a much better life in every single aspect, n abt things to do wit Proton in UK:

1. Std ABS n airbag – Blame Proton? Why don't u blame the British gahmen who wanted cars entering their market to hv a minimum safety requirements? I bet if His Tonyness didn't implement that, Proton can cut corners n sell it there w/o those safety equipments. So whose fault? Terima kasih kerajaan Barang Naik, anda memang cemerlang, gemilang, dan terbilang, sampaikan kerajaan British pun tidak sebaik hati seperti kamu….

2. Proton cheaper – get a calculator, you know what is that thing? It's some plastic thing wit lots of buttons n a screen, n when u key in some numbers, it'll produce magic numbers. Gen2 in UK is £8,995, and now, RM1 = £6.6846, if that's cheaper than here, then you're the one who've never been to the outside world, heck, u didn't even know how to use a calculator!!

"keep bashing until they change or close down"? I've mentioned before Proton is immortal for as long as Msia is under Barang Naik, so tell me, if u rly want to kill Proton dead, will u vote for a new gahmen, as well as persuade everyone else to vote for a new gahmen, or you'd rather play safe n 'jaga periuk nasi sendiri' n dun wanna vote for a change? As for keep bashing until they change, aren't they progressing fairly well now under Syed Zainal? No? Oh yah, no wonder, from your PoV, 'change' = die. Wrong assumption lor, my bad, my bad.

May 21, 2007 @ 11:49 am

Ops, sorry, I think many still say Waja’s just a tin milo while even the airbag-less Myvi can protect you better. Japanese car mah…..of cuz dam cun….

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I tot Waja platform is from Mitsubishi Lancer Cedia or Volvo S40? I think it still have some japanese in it.. Even a Evo4 dashboard can fitted in it.. So Waja still cun maa.. got some japanese flavo inside.. LOL! But what i can tell u the waja interior really low in quality.. even the old Evo4 dashboard are better then Waja, and they have Automatic Air-con and even 4-speed tiptronic auto gear-box for you to play.. Even the new GDI engine wif CVT from Lancer Cedia already got ppl inplant in their waja coz they cannot tahan the worst FC of Waja… But anyways, if Waja come out the CPS engine with new dashboard and std air-bag wif ABS at RM60k for manual, i would buy it for sure.. We consumer can choose, but u G cant force us to buy! Anyways i am waiting for the new satria GTI with supercharger.. i am aiming for that..

"bt what ticks me is when u claim u bash them bcuz u wanted them to improve, an obvious lie judging by how u guys respond to such improvements Proton’s trying to make"

Look, proton has been receiving all the supports from the G and the rakyat. And it has been more than 20 years of operating only recently come out Waja with Air Bag,ABS… is that something we should shout about? I believe if we praise and give credit, Proton will just stop improving from there onwards. Cause we have experienced it. Remember Wira, it is so successfully until it is still selling up to now. Where is the All New Wira Replacement? Up to now, what the heck of improvement on Wira?

And btw, when you tell us keluar dari Ma’sia, im sure that u never keluar and look at the outside world b4. Not to mention that oversea Waja/ Wira have all the AirBags, ABS as std package. And that is like years before Waja come with AirBag as Std.Improvements of products is come out with something genuinely improved version, not but adding something is suppose to add in the 1st place. I m sure Viva is an improved version of kancil or kelisa in some ways.

So tell me, what can a disappointed customer do other than complaining and bashing at a lousy product? Answer is STOP buying and advise other not to buy as well.. and keep bashing until they change or close down.

May 21, 2007 @ 11:49 am

==hmm………..yes everyone should be given a chance indeed. quite true also u can't improve by just bashing. too bad, ur claim is rubbish to me. know why? hahaha………..why care so much? u got tax deduction if proton do well or buy cheaper waja at the price of saga? still a lot of things u don't know, mate.

I almost reached my limit wit Proton once before cuz cannot tahan wit that idiot Mahaleel, bt I started to change when I see Syed Zainal Abidin n others started to wake Proton up from its deep slumber, so I'd like to give them another chance, and I'm pretty much confidence thanks to that man. Syed Zainal is god-sent, the man who wants to input Perodua's winning formula into Proton, he's nt one to make such silly statement as "we're Asia's BMW" or "small cars no need ABS n airbag, strong bodyshell is enuf" et cetera. He's also dead serious about quality of the cars, sure, u can say his campaign for quality is not effective, bt I'll bet TM will never do such a thing n be in denial abt Proton's inferior QC. We shud the least give Syed Zainal a pat in the back and tell him to do better in his work. Right now I pity him having to deal wit the clown's antics n his crybaby dealer's whining.

You dun wanna blame the gahmen? Then dun complain when gahmen give the dealers RM26M, that they're doin the right thing n we must all "hv confidence in the gahmen" to "keep democracy alive in this country". Or that "it doesn't matter" the crony vendors get rich but still give Proton shitty parts to make cars.

@NoToLowQuality

Believe me, Viva will sell well, that's as obvious as predicting the winner when Msian football team vs Man U. Malaysia Boleh……mampos.

It doesn't bother me usually when bashers bash Proton, bt what ticks me is when u claim u bash them bcuz u wanted them to improve, an obvious lie judging by how u guys respond to such improvements Proton's trying to make, w/o even crediting them. Waja now is the first local car to come standard with ABS n twin airbag (I do not consider Bestari as a local, it's just a re-badged Peugout), how's that for a cheer? No? Ops, sorry, I think many still say Waja's just a tin milo while even the airbag-less Myvi can protect you better. Japanese car mah…..of cuz dam cun….

The automotive industry is very competitive. Its so competitive that Proton can't catch up on time. You are only given that many chances to make a mark in the industry. But once you ran out of time, then is a downhill all the way. But its not impossible to turn that around. Remember when Proton lauch its first few models such as the Iswara, Wira and Satria? Aren't those Mitsubishi's old cars? Proton was once like Perodua. But Proton took the plunge building its own cars and sink. During the launch of the Waja, that was Proton's chance to turn things around but they failed badly. If I'm not mistaken that Proton claim that Waja is the answer to the BMW's 3 series? Honestly I would not say that if im still a noob in the industry. From that car onward Proton's brand power diminishes. If you can't make a good first impression, that's about it for you cause its very competitive out there. Perodua has very good backing from Daihatsu and Toyota partly both of them have very strong Brand Power, its proven. I wouldn't blame the goverment for making such poor grade cars. I blame the management in Proton itself. Remember that advert of Savvy? A monster scratching his ass with a Savvy? What on earth are you trying to do? Build tough so that GODZILLA can come over to scratch his ass with my Savvy's ass? Call that creative marketing? I call that desperation. And more and more desperate they will be.

tokmoh…

i m just a normal man on the street and so i cannot really understand the political impact on ijok's result relate to proton's quality. even our G is now control by opposition, do u believe proton's quality will improve? the things is… man on the street believe what they seen and heard. so i have heard lots about Gen-2's quality such as door hard to open, engine not enuf power, open the boot from the inside and etc. i have even seen Gen-2 plastic door cames out into half when the door is slam hard to force it close properly for long duration. wira.. u know la, famous power window issue. Waja… the famous gear box issue.

so if that's the quality we got, as consumer we bash/complain. now is even better, we hav more choices to buy cars. most of them will not choose proton. u can see it very clear on the road, how many Gen-2, Neo or savvy? im from PG island, so i see lots of myvi, wira n saga.

now there r some who bash Viva.. so be it. cause time will tell if Viva will sell or not. Even there are tousand bash at savvy or the new Gen-2 FL, time will tell if they can sell or not. proton cannot sell not bcos we bash, but bcos the quality give to us is so so low. to b honest, Viva's quality for me at the 1st glance is also low. but from my heart i sense there will b lots of people buying it,y? cause they believe Perodua is more reliable.

Profits under NAP = Dealer put $$$$$$ in their pocket or bank account that suck from rakyat.

Loss under NAP = Dealer dick $$$$$ from the G (tax payer money), also suck from rakyat.

P1, Dealer, Vendor, cronies, etc "Guarantee make profits biz",

Rakyat "Guarantee bear the blunt of, and/or absorb whatever cost, biz risk, failured by P1, dealer,vendor, cronies, etc"

This is oxymoron Protonian and how smart they suck from rakyat, the nation "under siege" by this parasit. The rich become richer, and the poor become poorer simply bacause the rich are sucking from the poor. Not the normal wealth creation under healthy long term economic growth in the free market economic!

Our auto market is under attack by PROTONOMIC …………………………..

everybody in the world knows the company is ailing…but yet forces malysians to buy it while keeping it afloat with taxes.

and return the money to previous owners of proton as a small donation towards a car of thier choice.

But when there is failure, accept it and take whatever the situation has to offer. Do not expect 100% refund.

VSS is not something for P1 dealers to bargain, especially when their $$$ request is coming from our hard earn money.

It is an ex-gratia thing, they shoud just take in or leave it!

I dont like protong and P2 cars but i am ready to give credit if i feel that credit is due. Tokmoh mentioned that theSavvy is not as bad as it was perceived to be. I wasnt sure if it was a good idea when wify choosed Savvy among the many compact cars as i really think she should go for Getz. but i was quite 'okay' with it after driving it for few times. The handling & suspension are 'okay' and definately better than the saga. Only that the pricing is definately not right. RM45k at that time and darn it! she regretted buying it early as only 3 month after that the NAP screwed up and brought the price down to 41k.

Whatever it is, i still feel that protong pple are still screwing us and make us buy cars at imported price. That's why i still stick to toyota.

what's a profit guaranteed bussiness here…

wrong investment still can get compensation from the government…

Many people work hard for whole life, they are not sure yet

they are able to collect RM500K end of the day,

but now some of these semi professionals could get RM500k by

failure in investment…

May 18, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

NoToLowQuality said,

May 18, 2007 @ 5:28 pm

==good indeed u expressed ur feelings. seems to be true also as commented. ahahahaha………as i said earlier, the G is not sucker. the one who runs it, drying it only. Same G, different time, personnels make things up and down. hahahaha.