i really hope it’s not going to be another fake rumours….

I’m quite looking forward to the much-talked-about CPS Campro engine. All that hype when Campro was in the making didn’t amount to much when it appreared first in the Gen2. I had a go at both the 1.3 and 1.6 versions over couple of weeks and I’m not impressed. There’s a distinct lack of torque in city driving (its OK on the highway), its very noisy and isn’t fuel-efficient enough. I much prefer the old 1.6 Mitsubishi-sourced engines, especially the ones fitted to the old Wiras. The 1.3 Campro was no better – very lethargic, noisy and no better on fuel compared to its 1.6 version. Dissapointing.

In contrast, the Myvi’s 1.3 is sweet. So much better than the 1.3 Campro.

The Savvy’s 1.2 is good too – fiesty little bugger that’s ready to pick a fight with bigger cars.

So, the 10 years taken to develop Campro…hmm…not impressed. Lets see what the CPS has to offer. I’m sure there’s going to be improvements.

June 25, 2007 @ 11:37 am

competitors = Confirm any potential problem before new car sell, study the market, do polling on what people want most, safety issues, better durability, better quality, friendly on environment. more testing and QC in production.. before rolling out, calculate the price of the car and sell it at a strategic place..

Sound familiar? Is from the Toyota way book.. Has anyone told me got The Proton way book? LoL… Read it and implement in ur company.. Ur future will like protonians..

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1. Get Govt to finance your startup with taxpayer money.
2. Have Govt enact legislation giving you major market advantage. Then buy some outdated technology from foreign company.
3. Begin making outdated cars. Save Quality Control money and put into pocket.
4. Buy new mansion, buy self new Merc/BMW. now that you have money, can’t be seen driving crappy local car.
5. Give all your cronies contracts no matter how overpriced/shoddy their work, they need mansions and mercs too.
6. Take half of R&D budget and put into pocket along with QC money. Kids want to study in London, wife and mistresses want new designer clothes.
7. Take other half of R&D budget and squander on half-baked ideas.
8. Uh-oh no R&D money, it’s ok, don’t need to update old designs for next year, people will still buy anyway cause no choice. Save lots of money by not improving safety, styling, interior, while raising price.
9. MAKAN MAKAN MAKAN
10. Go to step 2 and repeat.

its called trial and error……
1st thing on it it not good but it kept improving….
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Only R & D truely can improve any new products. Mercs spend more than USD 3 Billion annually for R & D in order to come out with trend setter and sometime ahead of its competitor that fascinating the motoring world!

Trial and error! Huh, such high investment techno chic products based on this crap way will definitely have 101 problems come with this product.

Do you really have basic understanding and know how to differentiate between “trial & error” and “R & D”! Don’t post crap statement that “pollute” PT Blog!

hey joe ooi…dun simply just talk la k!!get ur facts right 1st!!yah i do agree proton has poor quality..but not as what u claim!!!
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Dude, already make clarification it is my personal opinion! And explain also on the different between opinion and facts from legal perspective. Yes you can disagree on what I claim as per my personal opinion as this is “one-off naked eye observation”, not back up by convincing scientific proof as mentioned by you!

This is the level of intellectual argument put forward by you that is backup by scientific evidents, therefore it is acceptable to me if my opinioon is not consistent with the facts. Facts always take precedent over opinions!

Sudah 3 kali kena tipu dengan proton – pakai Saga. Wira dan Perdana… semuanya ada problem !

That’s all I want to explain as for you sure you will say it’s a junk. So, I don’t want to explain to much as it will wasting my time. Hahaha….

I missed a few weeks, what is CPS?

But seriously, whether twin looking exhaust pipe of single, if it’s junk, it’s still junk.

Can anyone help me with what CPS is?

Perhaps you can wait for a while until the new generation of Toyota Vios launches as there will be 3 variants mainly J, E and G. J is the base line model. If not mistaken J comes with 1 driver airbag, ABS with front disc brake and rear drum.

So, stay tune.

P1 strategy = Sell more, Earn more, Money come fast, Problems? Solve later..

competitors = Confirm any potential problem before new car sell, study the market, do polling on what people want most, safety issues, better durability, better quality, friendly on environment. more testing and QC in production.. before rolling out, calculate the price of the car and sell it at a strategic place..

Sound familiar? Is from the Toyota way book.. Has anyone told me got The Proton way book? LoL… Read it and implement in ur company.. Ur future will like protonians..

I really look forward for the improvisation on Proton & especially Waja. As said, if I can afford I’ll go for Japs or Continantal Cars. But with my budget within RM70K Waja CPS is within my reach but then if its new price close RM70K I would rather add extra for the New Toyota Vios launching few month later to WajaCPS. Price factor here. I’ve no complaint on Proton as it never fail me over the years after having already own Proton Satria & 2 Units of Wira 1.3 & 1.5 fo 10 years already.Disposing my 1.5 Auto as the FC is high at RM0.22-0.25 per kM, nevertheless lower that Chevy.

I look forward for Mr Proton’s view as against Joe’s.

Never mind lah. Not Proton supporter but Just want Proton to do well if not more people will say Proton tut tut our money and so on. My RM1 opinion as I posted above. Haha….

TQ

Prem3377 & mr.proton.I agree.

Agree too..

hmm.. do you guys think it will be better if proton will actually reconstruct WAJA .. ? .( just my opinion ) .. u noe.. more sportier ?.. a 2 litre engine .. hand paddle gear like those in Honda Civic.. i think it will be selling like hot cakes .. =)

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* try Waja Chancellor 2.0L & see if that fits your requirement.

dont know which market segment did proton targeted this Waja but sure it didnt sell good! And, the price too wasnt that good; talk about double the ex waja @RM120k++. Blunder??

1) Ford Ranger TDCi 2.5 XLT (Manual) as what LittleFire85 told you. – RM85,388
2) Toyota Hilux 2.5G – Your shopping list – RM85,321.70
3) Mitsubishi Triton 2.5L as what LittleFire85 told you. – RM84,335.80
4) Isuzu D-Max 3.0L – RM86,778.10
5) Nissan Frontier 2.5L – RM82,859.78

Well, Paul and anyone. Can you guys create a new forum topic as this is not about the pick-up / truck? Perhaps can give some idea to Joe Ooi for his new car? TQ.

First, I didn’t read about the news. So, guys if this is true please don’t blame our government, NAP / AP etc. always. This is because no matter what, our government has to follow the AFTA policy. I know our car taxes really high which I also feel very upset. Trust me caused I don’t like it either like you guys. Government using tax payers money to help Proton, I also disagree.

Second, I don’t care if VW took over Proton as many manufacturers do the same thing for cost cutting and faster technologies transfer and sharing or other purposes. For me Proton is one of the car manufacturers and NOT pride of anything. If Proton close means no NAP, I don’t think so because still got Perodua, Naza and Inokom etc. Even if Proton close means no NAP, we can get cheaper cars but our road tax sure increase and income tax too and so on because that’s one way where government earn money to develop our country. If Proton closes, try to think about the workers. Our economy sure down, no job…. then crime even more and get worse because those who can not get a job need money to survive. So they rob, steal, kill or even rape etc. So, are we feeling safe even though we have cheaper and safer cars to buy?

Third, if VW really can help Proton by helping them in designing, R&D, improving quality, safety etc for Proton cars, why not? Just hope Proton will makes profit then our government no need to use tax payers’ money to help them. It’s a WIN-WIN SITUATION. Proton lives, workers secure their job, government no need to help Proton via our money and our country’s economy stable. What do you think? Proton cars with Lotus Ride and Handling and VW quality and safety. Not good enough? OKlah right? You win, I win, everybody wins.

Well, please understand and think about my RM1 opinion. Thanks for reading.

Anywayz have anyone here see the new’s paper new today! After this year the scap issue will be finalize for cars which is 15 years old.. The money will be paid for RM5k when purchasing new cars.. Which the money they pay is from the Sales Tax of new cars! This action is not forced! So i think after 15 years old car is will be very cheap.. I think this is bad of some of us who want to sell ur old car for high value…

The AP issues also got new 1! Asian AP will not be AP anymore, So Japanese, Korean, China, Thailand cars can sell in our country without AP! This is a good way of going toward open market! Ap will only implement on Europe n American’s car only!

So P1 are u ready to take in on?