hmm….oh ya, car manufacturer in Aus are treating fare by government and you have freedom to choose your ideal car at reasonable price. Aussie always proud of their Ford and Holden car which are manufacture in Australia and widely used in government sector but Aus-G not came out with some tax to protect their local car manufacture when their selling rate is lower than Renault and Toyota.

Korean car such as Kia, hyundai and daewood cheaper than Proton and quality wise also better than proton. Even India car also better than Proton. So, what do you think proton can do? GTI is good? Come on, Can’t even compare to Corolla TRD spec still dare to compare to VW? I had been driving many car from cheap to branded due to my job. So I experienced the difference in cars.

How long Proton established already? Still want to compare to those low budget China car? when you compare to the higher range quality China car, you know the difference.

You guys are not wrong for those Proton lover, is good Proton can enter international market but not only for short term. Proton must well use of their lotus engineers to improve Proton since lotus still well know in international market. Wondering why lotus still maintain their quality? Is it because of management team?

You think about it.

Let Gen-2 export to China is “genuine” commercial transaction. Not some sort like put up rosy news to goreng2 share or tie to China loan USD 800 million for Penang 2nd bridge!

europestar…
hehehe..sounds ambitious…
never heard that Gen2 is one of the popular cars in europe.hmm…
not even a glimps of a star for it…
europestar just sounds too much…
heheheh….

Not doing will, they will say government using our money to help (that still can be accept)

They are trying hard to do better so that government no need to help them via our money also unhappy with Proton,???

1) Locals/Mechanics don’t know much about auto technology, especially ABS. I think you need to change your mechanic if he don’t know what an ABS is. Mine learned about it 10 years ago. Even girls nowadays knows more about cars. Maybe he specialise in fixing our favourite car?
2) Main distributor don’t bring in cars with high tech devices coz of Point 1. This is really laughable. Do you know that cars sold in Japan, US and Europe are always with basic system only? Everything else is optional. You have to select what you want. And why are basic fitted cars brought in? Because of G’s protection on Proton. Anything imported have higher taxes so distributors have to bring in cheaper models.
2-2) Don’t bring in high tech cars? If you check with most of those dealers who ship in Estima, Harrier and other Japanese imports, you’ll know that it’s always the G-spec or fully fitted units that sold the best. I don’t understand why you said they’re not brought in.
3) “if we cant produce good engineers,designers and etc how can we blame it on proton??” Haha!!! If we cannot produce good engineers, we just continue manufacturing Iswara until 2050? After 22 years, we still cannot get ANY good engineers? I know some brilliant Malay engineers working for Petronas in the Sauber team. I don’t know where Proton is searching for their engineers. OHHH, if we don’t blame proton, blame who then? My neighbour??? Ahh, I know, you mean to say the G… BUT PROTON IS THE G! Everyone knows that.
4) “proton’s campro engine is not a bad design at all..it has a good performance..”. So, if we can’t produce good engineers, who created the CAMPRO engine then??? Actually, the big question you should be asking is WHAT SORT OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOW-HOW does Proton have about engine design? Sauber engineering with Petronas funding was creating an engine for Proton use but when it’s almost completed, Proton rejected it and then went to work on their CAMPRO. Go figure.
5) “we in the other end still a developing country..we are learning and will keep on learning..so please stop bashing proton blindly”. Have you heard of Horacio Pagani? He’s an Argentinian. I don’t think Argentina is classified as developed. In 1992, he setup his own company in Italy with his OWN money and some funding from Juan Manuel Fangio. The 1st Pagani Zonda rolled out in 1999 and they are challenging Ferrari and Lamborgini in terms of performance and engineering excellence. He only had a few million dollars to start his company. Proton has used how many BILLION ringgit??? Money in the right hands can do a lot of things. So where is the problem with Proton?
6) “we are lack in design,innovation and technology..but effort wise we are not!!”. Effort ALONE is not enough, my friend. PUTTING THE RIGHT HEAD as the CEO is what we need. Someone with experience in the car industry. Someone like Carlos Ghosn. If only Proton can grow up and see that we are EMPLOYING a mat salleh instead of politicising that we will go back to collonial days.
7) “perodua is selling well because they are selling toyotas..bodywork modification and calling them manufacturers is a shame..”. Have you forgotten that PROTON IS ALSO DOING THE SAME??? Waja only came out in 2001… after how many years? 16 years of bodywork modification to Mitsubishi cars. Would you like to compare to say Geely? Manufactured their OWN DESIGNED CARS from DAY 1 in 1998?

Frankly, MOST MALAYSIANS are just plain frustrated with Proton because they have done MORE bad than good. Plain and simple. I know some bashes blindly but then again, can you blame them? Do you even know how many BILLIONS has been sunk into Proton??? And the many Billions we LOST because potential manufacturers decided to go Thailand BECAUSE OF PROTON??? Billions that can make Malaysia stronger but now, it’s weakening us?

Lucky means They had found YOUNGMAN joint with PROTON to help selling proton car at CHINA. Chinese are always good at BUSINESS.

LUCKYSTAR should be a better name than EUROPESTAR. Don’t you agree?

Let Proton sell in China. They need to increase their overseas sales. If they succeed, then we know Joe Ooi is wrong.
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Perhaps this is part of P1 export drive as if not mistaken, when MD SZ take over the helm of P1, P1 set a target to export 100K units per annum by 2008!

just luck auctioncenter2u borned without try..how is that ??
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Look at P1 previous try for several years, their sales never reach 20K units for all models from Savvy, Gen-2, Waja, etc. that are export to all over the world. To export at prorate 18,000 units of single Europestar (Gen-2) to single market in Dragonland is highly optimistic given their P1 past sales performance all over the world!

So, to say it is “luck” by auctioncenter2u is highly probable if P1 want to achieve their target sales. If they try, the actual sales figure is always below target, even in domestic market. So let P1 try in Dragonland, who know as the Malay proverb said, “the luck is in the leg of chicken!”

if this is luck, then everyone can win the lottery la. i think its really sad that such comments are made so cheaply with not much intelligent thought gone into it.

to do business in china today is extremely difficult and challenging and not just for car manufacturers. Almost all of the largest manufacturers in the world have had countless problems even getting their foot in. Regardless of what others are saying in the comforts of their chair looking at their pc screen, I think Proton has done a great job in securing the business with youngman in china.

Just Lucky to sell off the car in China. Good Luck Proton.

Hopefully they don’t go reverse engineering the car and make a new car called dragonstar…
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Dont worry to much, there is no engineering at all to be reversed, the last Proton I bought new, the reverse gear also got problem, what engineering?

Dont expect a cook suddenly do better overseas after 25 years of making lousy food locally.

if chinese in china is gonna get a proton car..please let them atleast try..and voice their own opinion of their proton products..dont stop them from even considering a proton by bashing blindly…

but looks at Gen-2 engine, door, air con vents, gear box and etc… all r crap quality compare with Honda City, VIOS, Jazz, n etc…”

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Will malaysians be willing to pay say RM65k for a gen2 (currently RM45k) car with better interior and build? I dont know… But yeah, i think proton should give it a try. Put leather seats ABS/EBD like the UK version while at it.

My month old jazz already has a minor front dash creeking problem. And the plastics inside are mostly quite hard. I got a feeling most new cars come with lots of hard plastics. I personally tried the Jazz, Yaris, Mazda2 (top of the line Genki variant), Swift and Getz before settling for the Jazz…wanted to try the savvy, but couldnt find the dealer by public transport. Anyway, the plastics on the Yaris looked and felt the cheapest (sure, the external design is nice, but inside closeup it’s a diff story). The Mazda had the best interior but exterior design was awful. The swift’s interior was also very plasticky but smooth expensive looking hard plastic that looked really nice but had bad FC. So i ended up with the Jazz. And yes, it’s interior is mostly plastic. The area around the handbreak where the cupholder is can be depressed with a pinkie finger(!).